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    1070 GTX Micron Memory Global Issues - GPU firmware update needed

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by Vassilis008, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. lsramair

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    Bump. Anyone else try this and have any further feedback? Nothin from DELL officially yet... grrrrrr
     
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    I haven't installed and still waiting. Boy do I feel like a mushroom...Kept in the dark and fed BS all day
     
  3. Vassilis008

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    The fix (new firmware) is installed on new laptops but AW still refuses to release the update for the older ones :(
     
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    From the vBios thread a guy tells me I have the later version.
    How can I text its fine? Also can I do anything to help?
     
  5. Vasudev

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    One way is to use HWINFO sensors whilst gaming and note the current/max clocks in HWINFO. It must be same as GPU-Z. IIRC, under max load 1070 based on Micron memory will be stuck at 500MHz or lower.
     
  6. gschneider

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    My memory gaming on Battlefield 1 one reads 4000mhz

    Core is often 1797mhz temps sit 71c
    Min is 1627mhz max is 1860mhz
     
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  7. Ergo7

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    You can use GPU-Z to backup your vbios and upload it to TechPowerup. That would really help out those of us that doesn't have the new vbios!
     
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    Ignore...confused TPU with techinferno...
     
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  9. gschneider

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    Hey I can get that done pretty easily then
     
  10. kyussmanchu

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    Has anyone managed to extract/save the vBios from a newer 15R3 (w/ micron mem on it) yet?
    Thanks
     
  11. Vasudev

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    Use nvflash certificate bypassed version to extract/dump the vBIOS, in case ordinary nvflash isn't working.
     
  12. bloodhawk

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    There is no "certificate bypass" version of nvflash for Pascal.

    As for people having issues with dumping their vBIOS, what version of nvflash are you using?
     
  13. Vasudev

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    Did you try the latest version of nvflash https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash/
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    errr What?

    Its doesn't matter what matter of nvflash that you use (the Pascal versions) , none of them have the Certificate Bypass.
    You sure you meant to quote my post?

    And unlike Maxwell nvflash, now people need to use the nvflash64.exe instead. Otherwise it wont work.
     
  15. Vasudev

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    Then how did you manage to backup 1080 vBIOS before flashing the increased TDP one from Dell?
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Programmer.
    I come from Clevo land, where im pulling 270W+ from each of my GPU's using my own modded vBIOS's.
     
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    Joe Dirt's NVflash does dump pascal VBios. But it can't flash modded one. Spi programmer is the only way indeed.
     
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    So received yesterday my AW15r3 and it seems I got a 1070 micron :/ Was the issue solved? Should I try to replace it?
     
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    I think the newer 15R3's with Micron RAM are already flashed with a fix...It's us early adopters that are trying to get a fix.
     
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    Is there any way to know im all good? In the case im good, is there an easy way to help you guys with my bios? Im not really computer savvy...
     
  21. kyussmanchu

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    Look at post #155 for some more info on how to tell if you have the fix or not.
     
  22. F34R

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    That's about the same as mine.
     
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    Micron memory can sometimes just limit the amount you can overclock your VRAM on your GPU - that's all. The fix may allow VRAM to be overclocked further. My desktop GTX 1070 with Micron showed checkerbox pattern crashes when overclocking the VRAM too far - now that I've applied the fix I can overclock the VRAM slightly further and when it does crash it doesn't crash with the checkerbox pattern. The fix may allow you to overclock your VRAM further, but no guarantee.
     
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    Hello everyone. Sorry for my english, im italian. I have upgraded my Vbios from 86.04.39.00.36 to 86.04.54.00.1C , tooke from this thread, but now I have a problem. My graphic card's work worse than before, and now I don't have old v.bios. Can you save me?

    Does anyone have old bios backup ? (86.04.39.00.36)
     
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    Regarding my last post, this is the vbios I'm looking for. Can you help me? Thank you
     
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    I think TechInferno have a database of different vBIOS, I've got vague memories of seeing one, you could see if you can find it on TechInferno. Maybe someone in this thread is using your old vBIOS though, in which case they can use GPUz to dump the vBIOS and they could send it to you.
     
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    The site unfortunately did not have it. I hope someone is so helpful to save me. I'm still waiting, thank you
     
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    Rule n°1: Always dump the original VBios as backup before flashing a new one.

    Now you know why :)

    Here it is: 15r3-17r4-gtx1070-vbios-86.04.39.00.36
     
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    Thank you so much, you saved me. Yes, now I know. I learned the lesson :) Thanks again!
     
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  30. liviu2007

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    guys any news on this? I have micron aswell,
    .my laptop works ok no freezes on shutdowns or bsod . temps are very good.
    I wont flash nothing until is official.
     
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    Hi sorry guys I was on a different planet.
     
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  32. gschneider

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    Okay GPU-Z can not save my bios to a file it reports that Bios reading is not available on this system
     
  33. Vasudev

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    Try nvflash in safe mode.
     
  34. Sup3rKillaX

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    aw.PNG Samsung memory on my 1070 and i get freezes/artifacts on +300...i stay at +250 for a stable point...why is that? Alienware 17 R4 2017 model.
     
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    Try switching to default clocks and check if it crashes.
     
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    Not all memory or GPU cores respond the same way to an overclock. At some point you find a maximum setting and beyond that it gets artifacts, further it has driver crashes, and further it might freeze the whole laptop.

    It's only warrantied to run at stock speeds :)
     
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  37. Sup3rKillaX

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    Im just shocked i saw someone here running that Samsung memory at +700? i can barely break +250 before i have trouble...maybe i need to do that mod to raise the tdp
     
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    I don't know if that hack increases power for VRAM as well as GPU cores, but if it does it will need a voltage increase along with it.

    There is a trick most people don't think of, when testing for highest OC, to OC the VRAM and Core OC independently before combining them, for the reason that both require more power when OC'd and if there isn't enough power headroom for both OC's at the same time, you have to pick which you want, balance one lower OC to allow the other maximum OC.

    In a power limited situation I get a higher VRAM OC without GPU core OC, and same with GPU core OC, higher with stock VRAM.

    So, try that, put GPU cores at stock and then try for highest VRAM alone, and then reverse it and find highest GPU core OC, then pick a balance for both OC that fits your power budget and resulting performance. :)

    I find OC GPU cores are a better spend for power budget, with a higher bump in real FPS performance.
     
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  39. plee82

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    GPU core OC all the way. The VRAM OC gives you probably 1-3 more fps?
     
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    A little often helps, as long as you aren't stealing power from the GPU Core OC... sometimes zero VRAM OC is best, sometimes you can get both at maximum OC at the same time. :)
     
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    Yup, I think it is always better to max out on core OC first and then try to squeeze the memory OC if you can.
     
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    I don't think it's as simple as saying that Core OC is the best way to go, it depends on the model of GPU and what kind of a increase in overclock you can get on the core or VRAM. For instance, my desktop GTX 1070 responds better to a VRAM OC than a Core OC. This is probably because it's an aftermarket out of the box overclocked card and the core is already maxed out almost. I only get 1% increase in performance by overclocking core, but get 4% increase by overclocking VRAM, but a 7% increase by overclocking both, so I think there's a synergy involved in overclocking both VRAM & Core and I'd recommend doing both together unless you're limited by power restrictions:

    Firestrike scores: Overall (GPU Score, Physics Score, Combined Score)
    Stock: 15973 (18557, 15154, 8136)
    +75Mhz Core: 16179 (18818, 15224, 8265)
    +566 VRAM: 16573 (19312, 15221, 8587)
    +75Mhz Core & +566 VRAM: 16907 (19921, 15191, 8603)

    (For some reason GPU score has decreased about 5% with all the later GPU drivers after 382.33 - but only affects Firestrike weirdly).

    In a laptop, if your card has a low core clock, then OC'ing core is the way to go, but I think GTX 1070 responds really well to VRAM overclock.
     
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    Also you need to overvolt if your ASIC quality is below 70%.
     
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    Sorry, I'm not following your jist? I know what ASIC quality is, just don't understand what you're getting at.
     
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    Supply more voltage in mV. Use nvidia inspector, click on overclock option, then select yes if you get a prompt. Afterwards, at the bottom move the slider to right to increase the voltage, start with +12.5mV.
     
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    I went the opposite in mine. I got a 60fps screen so I undervolt max voltage to 0.881mv with max clock at 1835. Now I still get over 100 fps in games at full settings but my temps are 10 degrees colder.
     
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    Yeah, I know, I don't know why you're telling me that? I don't understand why you're making the point? Language barrier maybe, we were talking about the merits of overclocking the core vs the VRAM, and I posted some performance results showing the benefits of each & both - what I don't understand is why you're talking to me about ASIC & voltage?
     
  48. Vasudev

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    When I saw power related restriction in your previous post, I simply said it. Language Barrier? Maybe. English is not my native language mate.
     
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    im hoping after i unlock the tdp of this 1070 i actually can oc the memory higher..
     
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    Yeah, it's fine if English is not your native language, good to have different people from different places. :) Oh the Power Restriction bit in my post: I was just inferring that if you're on a laptop & you have power restrictions then it might not make sense to overclock both core & VRAM, you'd choose the one that gives the most performance for minimal power increase, but ideally you'd overclock both if you don't have power restrictions. I don't see how the overvolting & ASIC comment fits in with that, my thoughts are that you wouldn't be overvolting if you're power restricted in the first place (and I don't believe you can overvolt Pascal laptop GPUs anyway), but beyond that I don't see the relevance.
     
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