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    1070 GTX Micron Memory Global Issues - GPU firmware update needed

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by Vassilis008, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. purple.haze

    purple.haze Notebook Enthusiast

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    Pls wait for me til tomorrow night, mine gets a lot of artifacts and sometimes it even restarts on its own. 15 R3, 6820/1070 Micron.
    btw, pls recommend me a good software to record the screen.
     
  2. NicolasLoriot

    NicolasLoriot Notebook Geek

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    @purple.haze do you have BSOD ?

    If yes, please send me too your minidump files of those bsod. You'll find it on : C:\Windows\Minidump


    Otherwise, you may use nvidia shadow play or windows dvr (through xbox app) to record your screen

    In order to make it easier for all of us, i'll create a drive folder where we'll be able to add all what we want.
    So i'll send the mail now like i said tuesday morning to the guy, but i can add whatever we want next
     
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  4. purple.haze

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    Thank you for you replied.
    Mine doesnt get a BSOD, it just gets stuck with a black screen and I have to manually restart it o it may restarts on its own.


    BTW, I have read somewhere else that undervolting the GPU may help a litte bit.
    Do you know if its it true?
     
  5. illuMinniti

    illuMinniti Notebook Evangelist

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    I believe the main reasons for GPU crashes are related to too much voltage, too little voltage and heat. I'm not saying it won't work, but I don't see why it would work.

    Some will say "lower voltage can make it more stable as well". But I think the odds of that is much lower than anything else. The reason higher stock voltages are chosen are for stability.

    With that said, it only takes like 5-10 min to change the voltage on these. Normally it would take seconds but the way Pascal works has made it a pain in the..
     
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  6. leeloyd

    leeloyd Notebook Consultant

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    Reducing voltage leads to less power used. And reduce Power limit throttling.

    But reduce it too much and the GPU will be unstable.

    If the issue is stability you shouldn't undervolt but underclock instead.

    Micron memory's specific issue is linked to voltage timing. Simply put: The extra voltage needed when the memory is under load comes too late.
    Samsung/Hynix memory can wistand the load during the short time without extra voltage, but Micron memory can't.
     
  7. NicolasLoriot

    NicolasLoriot Notebook Geek

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    Hey Guys,

    The new vbios is finally here ;)
    I had the luck to test it, and timing voltage problem is now solved, so we're able to oc memory until +500/550mhz now ;) without bsods... (i'm talking only for micron memory for sure)
    And globally, for the same clock speed and games/benchs, the gpu is consuming a bit less, which is a good point looking at temps which are a bit lower too !

    I think that it will be available soon, but i have no date yet.
     
  8. heerkaas

    heerkaas Notebook Enthusiast

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    Is the powerlimit also increased?
     
  9. lsramair

    lsramair Notebook Consultant

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    Why are you winking 2x? Is this a joke or you have some details?

    Thanks!
     
  10. NicolasLoriot

    NicolasLoriot Notebook Geek

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    i don't think so, for the 1070 in the 15r3, 135W is already largely enough i think...
    With such a power, temps raise until 90°C which is very hot
    (the heatsink is pretty good and had been repasted with kryonaut)
     
  11. NicolasLoriot

    NicolasLoriot Notebook Geek

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    @Isramair no it's not a joke. I can remove the winks if you want ^^

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. NicolasLoriot

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    For what's about benchmarks/games, i can't tell you how much it improves.
    In fact, all the test i did with old vbios was with 1.0.9, and i'm actually running the 1.0.12 which is incredibly bad and lowers performances.
     
  13. lsramair

    lsramair Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks! Yes I see your Vbios is different than mine is (86.04.54.00.1C)

    Lets do it.
     
  14. Vassilis008

    Vassilis008 Notebook Consultant

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    Did Dell send you the vBios for testing?
     
  15. NicolasLoriot

    NicolasLoriot Notebook Geek

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    I did a full report of the problem problem 2 weeks ago, with mini dumps, photos... like nothing was moving...
    And yes finally yesterday i received a version which works pretty good.
     
  16. lsramair

    lsramair Notebook Consultant

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    You have me waiting... with baited breath.

    Hope we get to try soon as well.
     
  17. leeloyd

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    Well done, thank you buddy. Your efforts weren't for nothing ;)
     
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  18. Vassilis008

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    Ok thanks :) Could you maybe please ask if you are allowed to share the vbios with other people?
     
  19. NicolasLoriot

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    @leeloyd Thank you ;) But we shouldn't had to do this to have a vbios working correctly ^^

    @Vassilis008 I'll ask, but I don't think that this is a problem. Just if ever you brick your GPU, I'm not sure if the warranty will work... Anyway it will be realese soon normally...
     
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  20. leeloyd

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    Nowaday consumers are both beta testers and Quality Controlers.
    I don't remind having backed any kickstarter for the AlienWare Cassini. But it looks very like, with all this revisions in such a short period of time... What a shame ...
     
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  21. Vassilis008

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    True but I am sure that several persons will be happy to try it out still :)
     
  22. NicolasLoriot

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    You are awesome.

    Im waiting for someone else with more cajones to go for it first. Im on a 7820hk, so wonder if its specific to other factors.
     
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    yes, i don't know either.
    It would be logical yes, but why is there an h one then ?
     
  26. leeloyd

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    Nope. I had a message with the 3 of them saying "Access Denied" in the command line prompt and "This application isn't compatible with your PC" in an alert box :(
     
  27. NicolasLoriot

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    are you sure you were running command prompt with admin rights ?
     
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  28. leeloyd

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    Nevermind, I didn't enter password for the zip archive and had 0kb files Xd ...
    Second try after checking your firmware version ...

    Edit :
    Ok worked like a charm ! Now i upgraded my GTX 1070 from Vbios 86.04.39.00.36 to 86.04.54.00.1C.

    IGP switch is working ... And my VRAM reached +300MHz and passed Unigine Heaven session without any issue. Nice :D !

    Looks like i'm good for more testing now ...
     
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  29. NicolasLoriot

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    Which bios are you running ? I can't test anything with this f****** 1.0.12...

    And when i see all those who bricks their laptop, i don't want to have the same issus downgrading....
     
  30. Vassilis008

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    I'm not sure which vbios I should flash either between d/g/h so I guess I'm just going to wait until we know more about those three. Hopefully it's possible to swap between the three versions easily.
     
  31. NicolasLoriot

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    Following what @leeloyd said, i Think that d version is ok for non gsyncs laptop...
     
  32. leeloyd

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    Bios 1.0.8 ... I flashed 15_1070d
    My 15R3 has I7-6820HK, GTX 1070 and IPS FHD Screen with Optimus.

    I got huge artefact with Unigine Heaven when reaching +350MHz. Reverted back to +326MHz :(

    Edit : No good, old OC of +230 Core +275 VRam isn't stable anymore with FireStrike and Time Spy :( ...
     
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  33. Vassilis008

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    Did you try to disable optimus?
     
  34. leeloyd

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    I had optimus disabled (switched to DGPU with Fn+F7)

    I tried the other Vbios: 15_1070g and 15_1070h, and they both rejected my GPU id, so i was right D is for Discreet GPU with Optimus and G for G-sync screen ... H ? Kabylake specific ?
     
  35. NicolasLoriot

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    +350mhz it's low...
    It's exactly the limit i had before this new vbios. Now i reach + 500mhz without problem.

    But for my gpu, +230mhz core is a bit to high. I need to down it to +225mhz

    How much time did you restart your laptop ?

    I had to restart it 3 / 4 times to make it works properly.
    Otherwise i had some errors
     
  36. Vassilis008

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    When you say +500 that's in afterburner right? meaning 9000Mhz
     
  37. NicolasLoriot

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    sure, it''s in afterburner.

    The correct value is (display in gpu-z) : 2252mhz memory
     
  38. leeloyd

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    I restarted it only once ... But maybe like with the 1080's Vbios update there are Bios/Vbios combos that work better than the others.

    I'm falling asleep now ...better take a nap. :sleep: To be continued ...
     
  39. purple.haze

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    Hey.
    Guess what, I thought my Memory was from Micron, but actually it is from Samsung!
    Im still getting a lot of artifacts when playing, but with a little underclock on memory with Afterburner sometimes i kick it away...

    Do you know if i can flash this Vbios on my rig?

    Captura.PNG
     
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    This is a thread for people with GTX 1070 Micron VRAM, you have Samsung, so you have nothing to gain by flashing these vBIOS - these vBIOS are just to solve a quirk with the voltage on Micron VRAM not increasing quickly enough when the VRAM kicks up to it's gaming Mhz.
     
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    I managed to go as far as +230 Core +450 Mem with 3DMark FireStrike... but i had to reboot a few times.
    OC isn't really stable with this VBios, even if you can OC more (was stuck @ +275 Mem before)
     
  42. Vassilis008

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    Even with the old vbios, I was able to overclock higher with 1.0.9 compared to 1.0.8. Did you try 1.0.12 to see if it helps?
     
  43. leeloyd

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    Seeing all the complains about 1.0.9 and 1.0.12 i prefer staying with 1.0.8
     
  44. NicolasLoriot

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    Don't use the 1.0.12 !!
    I really don't know how they are able to realese such a bios... It's a pure shame !!

    But 1.0.9 was all good for me
     
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    What did they do in 1.0.12?
     
  46. NicolasLoriot

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    - Drop of graphics performances. I loose 250 firestike points...
    - Bad fan RPM curve
    - Freezes while gaming
     
  47. zeroibis

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    Sounds like some great features!
     
  48. leeloyd

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    I almost forget to report that the annoying short "Bip" at Boot when Discreet GPU is enabled disappeared.
     
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    Anyone else try this update and have success with it?
     
  50. lsramair

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    Im waiting until official
     
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