E6410 Owner's Thread

I'm inclined to say that outright size isn't as much an issue in portable use the durability of the case. With a screen latch and durable case, an E6510 would be suitable for travel use, although I'd have doubts about a number of recent consumer quality computers of the same approximate size.

I'd argue that 15" is the real practical limit for truly mobile use, while 17" is truly bonkers, regardless of the case construction.

If scaling is an issue, I wouldn't be messing around with a PC. One word: Macbook.

Yes, for the price premium of the E4310, you'd be within about $70 of having a comparably equipped E6410 as well as the base Vostro V13.

Why not a NEW Elitebook 2530P, since they're going for less than $600 from a couple of resellers? I'll tell you why.....

Despite that nifty all-metal case, the 2530P appears to have localized heat issues (even with a SULV processor), and the screen is dimmer than the WXGA screen on the E6410. It seems that some things never change at HP.

That is an idea, but in past I've gotten by very nicely using a variety of different monitors with Intel integrated graphics. I think I'll try an E6410 with the WXGA display.

 

That's an interesting thought, as I found out a similar method/result when I got my hand on the M11xR2, as I use USB drive running ubuntu and I got pretty good battery life.
I'm thinking, if I can boot off the card reader that's built in, this maybe even better. Simply because, stuff like HD wouldn't be spinning most of the time. This MAY even extend another hour of battery life.

 

16:10 was the original wide-screen.
Exactly, it was the early topic due to a "lack of technology" to broadcast 16:10 in high quality. Anyway, this is off topic.

Oh because ATi and Intel are better?! Right... They are much worst.
What bad Nvidia practices? Intel gives away their GPU so that manufacture actually uses their crap, instead of a proper GPU. And claimed on previous models that were "Vista ready', while they could not even do Aero.
PLUS, Intel follows a software list of supported software. If your software is not big enough in popularity or find a way to make Intel happy enough to support your program, than you have to adopt your software for it. While you have no such problem with ATi or Nvidia solutions.

Intel bad business prevent AMD from shinning, and has monopoly on motherboard chipset for their own CPU's. Did you ever see a laptop with a different chipset other than Intel's lately? Nvidia spent billions to make a chipset for the Core i series, and when they are about to launch it, Intel brings it's lawyers. Niiiice. Last time AMD made a kick CPU, which made Intel drop the never dying P4, with not only 64-bit but also dual core.. PROPER dual core for desktop and laptop, Intel was threatening in pulling their license, and even after the license renewal, Intel made AMD beg for it.
Intel doesn't care, because VIA makes x86 architecture processors, so Intel doesn't have the monopoly, hence they can still sell their CPU's world wide without issue.

Laptops are not desktop. When you understand this, you understand why you can't play Crysis at max max settings on a thin, small laptop under 90W power consumption. I have the Quadro NVS 160M, which is much slower than the E6410 solution. And I find it it's fine for light gaming. I can play fine the latest games at medium-low setting. With this much better GPU solution you should be able to play games at medium settings. If not, then something is wrong here. Either my laptop GPU is somehow crazy fast, or I don't know.

Memory doesn't dedicate graphic card performance. you can have 192GB of RAM and the performance can match an Intel solution, like you have 128MB and you can have have the same performance as a ATi Radeon 5870.

Yes, because Intel GPU can do CAD very well. [/sarcasm]

Stop grouping people idiotically. This is very bad managerial skills you have. It needs to be improved. You should open your eyes more.

People do CAD work on the go. Many CAD work doesn't involved making a complete car inside and out with the full engine and everything, or an air plane. It can be much smaller or a segment of a big plan. Some people require color accuracy when they attach an 8-bit color computer monitor to the laptop, some people do a lot of dual screen and single screen (laptop only), switch, and require perfect support for this. Some people, like myself, do enjoy light gaming (entertainment) on the go. Better graphics doesn't make a game good... it's the story and the game play. A fun game is just as fun with max graphics on your desktop gaming PC, as one in medium-low, or even low graphics under a laptop.

Last time I check the Intel solutions (X3100), had a hard time playing Monkey Island 1 remake at minimum settings, and the current one 450X HD has a hard time with Monkey Island 5.. these are advance 2D and for the later one, basic 3D games. Some people do enjoy having support for advance 2D and 3D support, at any level, as long as it works.

I type more than you. While you trying to figure out your Linux, I type greatly in class, putting my notes, and when I am home, I do my home work, and I program.

Note: To be clear for everyone, we are talking about the 9-cell batteries that lifts the laptop up.
Lift your keyboard up with the back legs, and type, now compare it with the legs down... it makes more noise when the legs are up, as you have empty space. Same applies for the laptop.

You don't have the sells number so you can't comment. Business point of view, it doesn't make sense to pull a feature, even if you have 10 people order it. You loose money by pulling it.

Great! But you never explained why, or demonstrated why. All you said is that, when you type a password, it takes more than starting Windows 7 and typing your password to log-in, so it's not worth it. Which doesn't make much sense.

Doesn't mean you don't care, that it applies to everyone. You said that you don't care about the Nvidia solution, as it's useless option. I came and proved you wrong. I need it. And is one of the reason for my purchase of the E6400.

Look at the market share of Microsoft Office, it's for a reason why it's this big.

I think I know the problem... I'll say it, but I know that you'll reply and say that it's not true and this and that to defend yourself, even though you know it's true.. You probably got a hacked up version from a torrent site instead of the official version.

That is because you are bias in open source projects. So many issues you ignore them. To be honest, I find the best replacement for Office is Corel WordPerfect suit. They are both have competing features, now that is competition.

Yup.

Correct. The idea is that he can use what he is comfortable with in either mode (Windows or Latitude ON). If he is happy with OpenOffice, than GOOD! He can run it on both.

For sure! I'll give it a serious try. Hey if I can avoid paying for Office, sure I am happy! Maybe you should do the same with Office 2010, try the 64-bit version.

Congrads, but don't jinks it . Accidents happens.
I did not get accidental damage protection, as dropping a laptop is slim to none.. I guess I got bad luck, but luckily there is no trace of this accident.

Excellent!

Does it support a pen? No. Fingers are larger and easier to track.

Huh?! I am confused. Competition is always welcome. Heck without the rise of Linux on netbook and MacOS users, Windows 7 would not exists.

I don't plan to keep my notes after I am done with a class.

Yup! I am not denying the great push of Linux of the last few years, especially thanks to Ubuntu. But Linux was miles to do before it can reach the ease of use Windows all by keeping it's amazing flexibility.

So far, we see that easier to use means less features. Because, more features clutters things, and makes it harder to find things. Hiding everything in the command prompt is not helpful. It's a very difficult task.
Microsoft tries to the this balance, some versions are too Mac OS'ish, where it's ease to use is at the cost of features, while sometimes it's the contrary, it's go down to more power user approach like Linux, at the cost of making it harder to use. So far Ubuntu showed great success in this, and I wish them the best luck and support.

I haven't used it, or even heard of it (lack of marketing?!), I don't know how it uses. But looking at the HP TZ 12inch tablet pc which are about 1k Canadian, the digitize screen is meh with the pen, but the finger multitouch works great under Win7. The pen doesn't slide well when writing, the screen is not really scratch resistant, you have fine grain texture visible on the screen which really makes text harder to read. And the laptop is very loud. (cheap fan, and bad cooling engineering). Battery life is also very poor.

 

I'm thinking about jumping on the 28% off coupon for the e6410, but will I still be able to call Dell and negotiate the cost with the discount already applied?

 

Can't speak for this deal, but I was able to negotiate an additional 10% off by talking to a customer rep on a similar deal on Dell's 2790 monitor. I simply emailed the rep a copy of the on-line quote. It can't hurt to try and I would try more than one rep if you don't get satisfactory results the first time.

 

Dell coupon codes on this line appear to vary between 28% and 31% - and they do appear to come and go in cycles. Keep in mind that the coupon codes aren't stackable, meaning that it's 28% off the full price, not 28% off after the instant savings. After that, it's down to negotiation. Good luck. Additional discounts might not be proportional to the configured cost. It might just be flat amount.

As an aside, you won't be getting as good a deal this week as opposed to last week, since the i5-520M processor is now a $50 option, while the base price was only cut $30 for the downgraded base i3-370M. Of course, you don't need to mourn all that much, because Dell wouldn't recognize last week's stackable $50 coupon code.

Sometimes I just get so sick of the haggling and waiting for discounts? Is it any wonder that Apple has 90% of the market for laptops over $1,000?

 

Again, not true. The 16:9 aspect ration came about when HDTV standards were being negotiated back in the 1980s. This is ancient history, and the 16:9 aspect ratio was set long before there were notebook computers with 16:10 displays. Actually, the only real competitor was the 5:3 aspect ratio that was in limited use oversea, but 16:9 obviously won.

As far as I'm concerned, AMD should just get out of the retail market and go for the server market with it's new $99 quad-core processor. Of course, as part of the last settlement with Intel, AMD is guaranteed a share of the retail market, regardless of actual consumer demand.

All I can say is that there was a time a few years back when it looked like AMD would become truly competitive. Of course, what really let down AMD was the lack of consumer enthusiasm for a brand typically associated with low end systems. AMD has always been associated with "cheap." That brief window of opportunity quickly shut when consumers were let down by motherboard and GPU issues that had nothing to do with the perfectly fine AMD CPUs. It all goes to show that the old saying is true: "He who buys cheap, buys twice."

At this point, I won't ever both with an AMD processor ever again, if only because of the non-AMD related hardware issues I've experience.

That of course brings us to Nvidia. Thanks for "Bumpgate," Nvidia. After three bad experiences, I'm done with Nvidia.

What is it? 1989? While the WordPerfect brandname makes me a little nostaligic, I really do have to wonder why Corel is still in the software business?

Maybe they still use WordPerfect up in Canada?

Considering Office 2010 "Starter" edition is bundled as bloatware on just about every PC, whether you want it or not, I guess everyone can try it. I'd advise uninstalling it and downloading OpenOffice.

Oh, and what's the big deal about "the 64-bit version?" Does it really matter? Probably not. In reality, a 64-bit operating system only really matters for resource intensive applications, not the typical office applications.

The simple truth is that if you need 4GB (or more) of RAM you go for a 64-bit operating system to make full use of the memory. It's that simple. If a person's only buying 3GB of RAM, then 32-bit is perfectly fine, since that's about the limit for a 32-bit system, roughly speaking.

 

ok, fine you are right. 16:10 is not standard, and it's crap and should disappear. 16:9 is the future. Who wants to pay for a 16:10 screen when you can get less for the same price and get annoy the hell with low height due to the menu/tool bars of program and task bar (if you don't move it on the side). What's the fun with 16:10?

You are funny. Again, terrible business decisions.

[/quote]All I can say is that there was a time a few years back when it looked like AMD would become truly competitive. Of course, what really let down AMD was the lack of consumer enthusiasm for a brand typically associated with low end systems.[/quote]
Absolutely not, in fact since that day, you started to see AMD processors with OEM. This is the moment where AMD made their mark, and this is when people where interested in their CPU. It came to OEM, due to demand. Their decision to go low-end CPU's, made OEM's switch things a bit, and now aim for low cost systems. Dollar per performance, AMD is the master at it.

AMD CPU's are just as reliable as Intel's, if not: more.
As an big AMD and Intel users here, AMD makes wonderful CPU's.
Unless you aim to get max max performance wtv the cost, AMD is an excellent choice. You need to participate more on forum to get better user feedback. Try computer enthusiasts forums for starters.

Poor you, your got some crappy AMD Seperon CPU at 10$, and it had a manufacture error, and you complain.

What?! where is the link between AMD and Nvidia. Why Nvidia makes low-end and "cheap" processors?! In what world you live in. I'll assume it's an English error, and ignore this.

huh?! Please stop smoking Welcome mats... they are not good for you

I am sure you miss diagnostic your problem.

What is this 2002?! Since when OpenOffice is the choice of any business, not running Windows?!

What you are insulting Canadians indirectly? Maybe the whole world is mad except for you...

I know where this is going, and now I am going to stop at this post.
You are pissed off, for some odd reason, because software you love are not greatly successful in world wide market share. Dude, it's JUST SOFTWARE, calm down. Every software has their specialty, and market group. It's just happen that Office suit is, today the preferred choices. I recall in the old days it was Corel. Things will obviously chance, but trying to force software to people is not the answer, all you are doing is making people unhappy, and never try again the software, instead of going "I really want to do xyz.... Oh look this FREE software does that! Cool, let me use it."

Please take a University degree in Computer or Software engineering or Computer Science. If you do, you'll quickly know how idiotic your claim is.

 

Aside from getting to be off-topic, I don't disagree that 16:9 is most likely going to be the future. But it shouldn't be. It's bad for consumer. A laptop isn't a TV. On TV, people just consume media, mostly movies and TV series where most of them are produce in 16:9 format. While for laptop, it's a multi-function device. And even for people who use it for consume media, watching movies isn't a the majority type of media consumption. Most people who buy laptop, generally use it for web surfing and office applications. And for most applications usage, almost all of them design for 4:3 screen experience. So, why exactly do people very want 16:9 or 16:10 screen for that matter when that only fit like 10% of the usage.

 

My 6410 screen sucks, so irritating at times to use the notebook. Mine came with a WXGA SEC5441. Is there a way to fix the display with better drivers or by replacing it with a different manufacturers LCD?

I wish the widescreen 16:9, 16:10 format goes away, so hard to use. Manufacturers think that people buy computers only to watch movies.

Thanks.