Apple iPhone X

@Papusan

See how well the iPhone X battery is lasting in this survival test. It held up pretty well considering the fact that it had the smallest mAH capacity against the other contenders:

 

iPhone X - 1%...
S9+ - 10% Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner...

iPhone X - 3rd place - 6 hr 10 minutes...
S9+ 1st Place - 6 hr 47 minutes.

 

If you consider the fact that the iPhone has a 2716mAH battery vs. the 3500mAH battery on the S9+, then it has it beat by a big margin IMHO.

Also, from having have owned every single Galaxy Phone since the Galaxy S4, I can tell you this with confidence. Samsung's standby time sucks big time.

You know I'm not a n00b and I do turn off background app refresh and all the features I don't need but it's just horrific. Like I would charge my phone to a 100% and go to bed, wake up, while nothing has happened and maybe received 1 email only, the battery would be 80-85% where as the iPhone's standby time rocks, it would still be at 95-96%

Why does that matter? because not everyone is on their phone 100% of the time like some of these reviewers, people like me who keep checking their phone casually maybe twice to thrice per hour actually do appreciate a good standby time and my apps on the iPhone and Android phones are exactly the same so don't think it may be a certain app that's draining the battery. Heck on Android I use an app called Metal instead of Facebook to preserve battery as Facebook is the biggest battery sucker on Android but on iOS I use Facebook.

 

The iPhone X Plus 6.5" will likely have a bigger interior for a larger battery... but use more power for the screen, should be interesting to see how it performs.

 

You know me though, I hate big phones.

As I've mentioned before, it always ticks me off that the smaller phones (ie. Galaxy S8) get one camera and the big ones get the dual camera for that cool Bokeh effect and optical zoom but I could never buy a big phone, too big for me so the iPhone X's size is perfect for me. Gives me the best of both worlds, a small phone (relatively) with all the nice features like a dual camera, wireless charging, decent battery, etc.

 

Samsung Exposes Apple's iPhone X Problems
Gordon Kelly, MAR 1, 2018 @ 07:20 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...ecs-camera-battery-life-upgrade/#348bba1946ba

"The good news is we know Apple AAPL +1.72%’s big 2018 iPhone changes. The bad news is the gambles Apple will take could well go horribly wrong...

In a new report Bloomberg’s ever-reliable leaker Mark Gurman, reveals that not only has Apple’s much expected “sales supercycle” failed to happen but there’s now serious concern about the next quarter and its potential knock-on effect for the company’s upcoming new iPhones. And it all centres around the iPhone X.

Speaking to “people familiar with the situation”, Gurman explains the “The iPhone X didn’t sell as well as Wall Street anticipated” but this is just the start. Moving forward “Samsung, the top OLED supplier, expects to ship about half the units planned to Apple” thanks to diminished demand. You heard that right: Half.

What’s behind this? Cost:

“The main sticking point has been price,” says Gurman. “Each 5.5-inch LCD screen used in the iPhone 8 Plus costs Apple $52, whereas the iPhone X’s 5.8-inch OLED display is $110, researcher IHS Markit estimates. Those prices should go up in the near term as Apple sources larger screens for its upcoming nearly 6.5-inch model.”

Yes, while the $999 iPhone X starting price (before sales tax) has given potential customers pause for thought, the biggest driver behind this cost is its OLED display. A display Apple plans to make substantially bigger with the 6.5-inch ‘ iPhone X Plus’ later this year.

How expensive could this make the iPhone X Plus? Estimates suggest up to $1,400.

As such Gurman says the pressure is mounting on Samsung to reduce OLED prices, but the company is in no mood to do so. Firstly because it already has internal demand from the launch of its new OLED-sporting Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9 Plus and secondly because pushing down prices would force rivals to do the same and that opens up the OLED market to Samsung’s biggest threat: Chinese smartphone makers Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo and Huawei.

Consequently, Apple’s discovery that many customers are starting to think twice about paying over $1,000 for the iPhone X couldn’t come at a worse time. Apple is already locked into the next cycle with iPhone X Plus production tests already underway, it has an unbending supply chain partner for the model’s most expensive component and the iPhone X Plus is going to cost more than any iPhone in history just as customers start to say ‘Enough is Enough’.

Meanwhile, those very same customers recently learnt legal pressures have pushed Apple into offering a year-long promotion where they can renew their existing iPhone’s performance and restore original battery life for $29. It’s a no-brainer.

The iPhone X was supposed to be Apple’s celebration for 10 remarkable years of iPhone success. The irony is history may prove it was the moment the company went too far…"

 

That's a size I would be interested in as well. The tiny iPhone screen's are what chased me away from the iPhone before, but a 6.5" might be perfect, as long as Apple gets rid of the "notch".

New iPhone 2018 release date, price & specs rumours
https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iphone/new-iphone-2018-3646340/

" Batteries
In terms of batteries, it looks like we can expect improvements here in 2018.

According to KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo (in a report referred to above), the new models with LCD screens (successors to the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus) will have a 2850-2950 mAh battery. This should add up to 8% more capacity than the battery in the iPhone X. In these phones the battery will be rectangular.

And the models with the OLED screens (successors to the iPhone X, we'll call them the iPhone Xs and XS Plus, for the sake of argument) will offer an L-shaped, 3300-3400mAh battery. That is 25% more capacity than the iPhone X.

In other battery-related news, Korea Economic Daily claims that Apple has chosen LG Chem as the exclusive supplier for batteries that will be featured in the next-generation iPhone, due out in 2018. Citing an unnamed source, the report claims that LG has invested "hundreds of billions" in battery manufacturing facilities and that it'll be ready to begin full-scale production in early 2018, just in time for the 'iPhone 11'.

That's not all, either; the report also claims that Apple's next-generation iPhone will adopt a 'bent' battery module shaped like the letter 'L'. It's said that the optimised shape of the battery maximises internal space and also boosts charging speeds, two features that the iPhone desperately needs.

Apple currently utilises two batteries in an L formation inside the iPhone X, as you can see in this image from iFixIt's teardown of the iPhone.

Alternatively, one persistent rumour holds that Apple will take the battery tech it developed for the original 12-inch MacBook (and retained for the 2016 version) - whereby contoured, layered battery units are stacked inside the chassis in order to take up every possible inch of space - and use these to squeeze more battery capacity inside the fixed or even reduced volume that will be available in future iPhones.

Apple could even, thanks to the new technology, make more radical changes to the overall design of the iPhone, because its engineers would no longer to base their work on a fixed battery shape. Although the smartphone is such a mature market now that it would take a brave manufacturer to change its essential form - a bit like a mad microwave designer inventing one that's spherical.

The iPhone X already uses a double-layered logic board to save space."

Although I hope a 6.5" Android phone matches Apple's iPhone X Plus, as that is still my preference. I stopped getting iPhones after the iPhone 5s, although I've helped friends get the iPhone 6s / 7's, it's just not my preference any longer. But, a 6.5" screen could change that.

It also depends on what Apple does with the iPhone X Plus camera's...

Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus Camera vs iPhone X

 

Did you try enabling Touch Accommodations and see if it helps in navigating the UI a little easier. Its a big 6" phone and has higher chance of dropping or slipping accidentally w/o a protective back cover from d-brand.

In terms of standby times, nothing can beat iphones. In terms of SOT, android and Windows pulls ahead of iOS.
You can uninstall stock Mail App and use Outlook or Gmail app to reduce the battery drain further.
I thought Background App refresh doesn't pull more battery and everything is enabled on my mom's phone. Battery lasts a day and an half on constant mobile data and Youtube.
In previous post, I said enabling assistive touch. Really it was Touch Accommodation setting. Sorry for the confusion.

 

@hmscott

don't forget that the Galaxy S9/S9+ are limited to 10 minute recording on 4K. That's a big showstopper for me because if I were to do a review or the next clean install guide, that wouldn't work and I have no time to sit and combine multiple videos so the iPhone X has the Galaxy S9 beat very well in that camera department (for my usage at least)

Who the heck puts such stupid limits on a phone in 2018 with all the enormous memory that we have either on the phone or smart cards!

 

Maybe it's time to get a "real" camera to dedicate to such uses? Or, edit video segments, many shots can be less than 5 or 10 minutes in length.

And, apparently for 4k60 the limit is *5* minutes for the S9/S9+...at 4k30 the limit is *10* minutes.

Here's one way the iPhone X beats Samsung's Galaxy S9 badly
BY RAYMOND WONG, 2018-03-02 17:47:26 UTC
https://mashable.com/2018/03/02/iphone-x-better-samsung-galaxy-s9-4k-60-fps-video-recording/

"Samsung's Galaxy S9 and S9+ may have the most advanced smartphone camera ever made, but the iPhone X's camera beats it in one big way.

Prospective Galaxy S9 users might be disappointed to learn the new flagship Android phone can't record video in 4K resolution at the highest (read: smoothest) 60 frames per second frame rate as long as the iPhone X can.

A video uploaded to Reddit has revealed the Galaxy S9 and S9+ only records 4K video at 60 fps for a maximum length of five minutes.

That may not seem like a deal-breaker (seriously, maybe it's not), but it's somewhat disappointing when you compare it to the iPhone.

On the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X, you can record videos in 4K resolution at 60 fps for as long as you want — so long as you have enough storage.

There are various reasons why Samsung might be limiting the S9's full video recording capabilities. When you record high-resolution video at higher frame rates, the camera captures and writes more data to the storage. As a result, recording in 4K60 usually taxes the system-on-a-chip (SoC), which contains the processor and graphics chip and more, and leads to overheating.

By capping recording time at five minutes, the S9 essentially stops all processing and data-writing to prevent a meltdown or unexpected shutdown.

New users may be surprised to hear this limitation, but it's not really shocking if you've ever used a Samsung or Android phone before with a Qualcomm chipset.

For its flagships, Samsung typically sells two versions: one with a Qualcomm Snapdragon chip and one with its own-designed Exynos chip. It would appear that Samsung phones with Snapdragon chips have long had a limit for their video recording.

For example, a Galaxy S7 with a Snapdragon 820 chip could only record full HD video at 60 fps for a maximum of 10 minutes, whereas there was no such limitation on a Galaxy S7 with an Exynos 8890 chip.

Why's there a difference? Simple: hardware architecture. Samsung phones with Exynos chips seem to be less prone to overheating and therefore can withstand longer recording times. We've also reached out to Samsung for a more detailed explanation on why 4K60 capture is limited to five minutes and will update this story if we receive a response.

Apple, on the other hand, doesn't need to worry about these problems because it designs its own more power-efficient silicon for its iPhones. In other words: Apple's vertically-integrated hardware and iOS are more capable than lumping together a bunch of off-the-shelf components with Android.

Should this limitation discourage anyone from buying a Galaxy S9 or S9+? Probably not. Nobody should be recording videos that are longer than five minutes, anyway. Just break that footage up into several clips. You'll be glad you did when you have to edit your clips later."

Is it the same for both Exynos and Snapdragon models?

Samsung Galaxy S9 camera settings
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/81afu6/samsung_galaxy_s9_camera_settings/

Mrsharr 8 days ago
"Exynos does not have the limit"

It looks like the Exynos CPU doesn't have that video recording limit issue, only the Snapdragon models. IDK if it holds true for the S9/S9+ Exynos model...

Galaxy S8 video limitation (FHD 60fps - 10 minutes only!)
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...mitation-FHD-60fps-10-minutes-only/td-p/92952

"Re: Galaxy S8 video limitation (FHD 60fps - 10 minutes only!)
I am not wrong. My S7 (US) has had a limit since I bought it and if you google 's7 video recording limit' you will see the same from over a year ago. Oddly, the S6 did not have the limit from what I've read.

Update - the US version with the Qualcomm SOC (mine) had the limit while the Exynos version in the UK did not. Read that this was done to keep the Qualcomm from overheating. I'm not a Samsung engineer but potentially the limit on your S8 for the same reason."

Since you aren't in the US, you'll probably get the Exynos version, without video recording limits(?).

 

GeekBench score for iPhone X vs Galaxy S9 (Exynos 9810):



and the full speed test courtesy of SuperSaf



@Papusan

 

Yup, saw the benchmarks + Supersaf video's, the S9 Plus 128GB International version with the Exynos part is available on Amazon US:

Samsung Galaxy S9+ Plus (6.2", Single SIM) 128GB SM-G965F Factory Unlocked 4G Smartphone (Lilac Purple) - International Version
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SM-G965F-Factory-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B079X87QN6

Now all we need is confirmation that the time limits for recording aren't on the Exynos S9's.

 

oh yeah I wanted to respond to you in a previous post but I was on my iPhone in bed and didn't feel like typing a lot on a touch screen

When I had my Galaxy S7 and S8, I had that 10 minute limit when recording 1080P @60 FPS and I was super ticked about it because my reviews tend to be longer and you said I need to learn how to combine videos. True, that might be a good idea but it would be more convenient to just shoot the whole video in one go and save you from the hassle of recombining them. I think iMovie can combine them easily on iOS but just saying, there is no need to limit to 10 minutes if the hardware like CPU, Camera, and Storage allow. Really ticks me off man.

PS: Why did this iPhone X thread suddenly turn into a Galaxy vs iPhone thread

 

My next phone: Galaxy S9 versus iPhone X
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/my-next-phone-galaxy-s9-versus-iphone-x.814227/

 

A small change

 

Yipe, that's horrible, you ruined the whole thing...what a surprise.

 

I won't change my vote. I am at least honest what I select. You already posted the results with pict so I can't see I ruined if this was put as a surprise.

 

Yipe, that's even worse! You think an iPhone X is a better choice for Mitlov than the S9 Plus? Did you even read the thread before voting? It's not supposed to be your choice, it's supposed to help Mitlov decide what he wants.

 

I posted my honet answer. Up to him to choose.

 

That unappreciative OP is on my ignore list because when he asked, I typed an essay for him explaining the differences between the two, he didn't comment, like, or anything on my post, yet he liked the post right below it so I asked the moderators to delete my post. Hence, why I forgot that thread even exists cos you don't see threads that were started my an ignored member,

 

Yeah, he's Mitlov.

Too bad you had the post deleted, I'm sure it was helpful if not to him at least to others reading the thread.

It's a tough choice these days to pick Apple for me anyway, what with all the past stuff, but if they do a nice 6.5", I'll check it out. I'm always hopeful Apple will realize it's got enough money, and start shepherding computing for the World in a more responsible way.

 

yeah it was basically comparing the two, both hardware and iOS vs Android stating that it's easier to transfer files from your computer to the phone and vice versa on Android but with Apple, if not using a a3rd party app, iTunes would make you tear your head apart and a bunch of other stuff comparing the cameras, their limitations, the better authentication on the S9 (fingerprint + IRIS scanning + face recognition) but he is not worth a word from me anymore. He will remain on the ignore list for eternity.

 

Savage

 

Phoenix: You're really lucky that Sharaf DG gives you permission to run GB 4 scores side by side and even allow to capture a picture. I feel the scores are not so much exponential difference. If both phones were tweaked I reckon the scores will be higher by 10%.
@Papusan I will choose iPhone SE 2 if Nokia 8 sirocco doesn't have mSD slot and OIS.
@hmscott Do you know where I can find Android P feeback/suggestion thread? I want to add iphone like feature that allows a user to select 4g voice/data or 4g data only modes. My place has stronger 4g data signal than voLTE and iphone simply manages to pickup LTE when other phones can't even stick to 3G+ signal for voice and data.

 

No, I just tried using the interface as is.....all the swyping and what not.....Just give me a home button and fingerprint sensor. The 8 is much better phone than the X.

 

I would go phone 8/plus. Either of those will give you the same speed as the X without the uber stoopid notch, faceID, and lack of fingerprint / home button. I swear tim cook and company are in the board room going "what can me make dumb and see if the lemmings will buy into it".

 

That sucks. I need some onboard buttons or hardware buttons. All glass phone w/o any buttons is asking for trouble if phone shatters when dropped.

Maybe incorporate dual aperture lens, iris scan, fingerprint scanner on screen, transparent phone and priced them $2000 and asks users not to buy Macbook pros. and iphone XX is a PCP(Personal Computer Portable). * With Conditions applied. If user wants to use Xcode or full blown desktop apps you have to buy Macs for best user experience.

 

I didn't ask that that post be deleted! I remember seeing the long post, thinking it looked extremely helpful, and I was to go through it in detail and respond when I got home from work...but when I got home, it was gone. I was confused as to why such a helpful post would be deleted. I had wondered if a moderator had flagged it because the embedded youtube video discussing iPhone X gestures had some colorful language (that's partly why I was waiting until I got home). But I never complained! I was going to go through it after work.

I liked the post beneath your essay because it was short and I could fully digest it on break at work. I was going to respond with a lot of gratitude to your essay when I got home and had a chance to really go through it, but by then it was gone.

HMScott or someone, would you mind quoting this so Phoenix can see it, since he put me on ignore? I swear to God I didn't ask for that post to be removed. Maybe...maybe I accidentally tapped "report" while scrolling on my phone? I'm baffled.

 

Sharaf DG Allows me to run benchmarks and take screenshots? What are you smoking bro? Give me some of that stuff it sounds good

I got the scores from this video, skip to the 27th second to see the scores:




Vaudev =



@Falkentyne @Papusan

 

Alright man, sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought you totally ignored my long post where I was trying to help you and went into so much detail described what's best for you according to what you posted.

If you still want me to post my input in your thread, I will.

 

I think I remember the key points, and you gave a good cliff's notes above. I mainly feel bad that you thought I was slighting you and disrespecting your efforts when you were trying to help me pick a new phone. It was the most helpful feedback that anyone had given.

 

what's this?

 

2 things

1) Mitlov asked in a thread, what phone to buy, I typed a big essay explaining the best phone for his needs, then I *thought* he ignored it as he liked the post right after me but didn't like my post or even comment on it. It appears that he liked it but has saved his reply later, that's when I reported myself for the post to be deleted:


2) Vasudev thinks that I went to a store called Sharaf DG and they allowed me to benchmark the Galaxy S9 and the iPhone X and post screenshots. I then told him no, the way I posted the screenshot was from the freakin' video that I had posted earlier so he got royally pwned by Phoenix. See: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/apple-iphone-x.808928/page-33#post-10694180

 

INTeresting!
Phones are BGA filth. I hate them. Too bad we need phones ......

 

At least the BGA filth are used where they should be. Locked inside thin and flimsy there you never need to see it... And none need to clean inside their phones Gone forever.

 

I am still waiting for your iPhone X Review

 

Yeah, I will get hold of one, but I don't do reviews. On top, all and at least me know what type hardware the phones contain Samsung or Iphone doesn't matter.

 

Did you know that even if my phone is locked and screen if off (stand by), I can just say Hi Siri, email PooPoosan the latest Cinebench results she would actually understand?

 

You use this spybox as well?

 

well this is like the only assistant that works

My phone would be locked on the table, I will say, Hey Siri, call my wife and she understands me

She also sets my alarm to wake up at 3PM and cooks me an egg

 

Dang, You need to call her? Test this

 

Phoenix deleted it, because you didn't answer it apparently, you must have missed it...?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/apple-iphone-x.808928/page-34#post-10694191

This has happened to me, I Like a post, change threads, and go away - only to find the next post sometime much later when another post gets made and I get an alert, and read back a few posts to "catch up".

It can be frustrating when posting a long detailed effort, only to have it appear to get ignored... maybe Phoenix can forgive you?

 

I believe this is what the kids call "hugging it out"

 

But we're friends again so nothing to forgive

Phoenix >>> <<< Mitlov

 

That's quite a fast turnaround - from foes to bros just in under one day

 

Didn't know you can actually screenshot a video and post it.
I was breathing some kind of artificial air susbstance that works similar to our backwater planet Earth! BTW, I was in Mars for a conference for Matters related to space and time fabric being ruptured and twisted by a alien who got their hands on a device that can manipulate everything and cause self destruction.
I was gets pwned by my cats in the house.

Be sure to disallow access to Virtual assistants when phone is locked since you can get pwned by a bug sometimes that allows full blown access to everything if your kids/relatives use ur phone for a quick peek and request C(S)iri to show "How many times Phoenix Clean Installed his W10 PCs and BB phone".
Be Safe, be like

 

More Trouble In Paradise; Wireless Charging Wears Out The iPhone X’s Batteries Much Quicker Than Traditional Means Suggest Tests
After significant uproar, Apple announced battery replacements for affected users, but the damage is done. Now, we’re seeing reports of battery problems for the iPhone X. Before we get into these, it’s wise to remember a critical fact about Apple. The company does not like to follow market trends when it comes to upgrades, choosing to march on its own tune. This is evident for wireless charging, as Apple only adopted the feature last year; undoubtedly after a lot of folks who love bandwagons chose to bash the company for not having it on the iPhone lineup.



Now, Adrian Hughes of ZDNet has some interesting claims for us. He’s got an iPhone X and used wireless chargers for the smartphone. After only six weeks of usage, from January to March 15th, Adrian’s iPhone X accumulated 45 recharge cycles, bringing the total count up to 135. If you’ll recall, Apple considers batteries as ‘spent’ after 500 cycles. Of course, some iPhones last longer, but we’re talking about a general principle. So why does wireless charging increase recharge cycles for the iPhone X? Well the answer is deceptively simple.

When you charge an iPhone X with a cable, it’s the cable which powers the device. However, on inductive charging, the battery is responsible for providing power to the device. This results in undue strain, one which Apple either failed to inform users about again; or is itself unaware of. Whichever is the case, looks like another storm is headed Cupertino’s way. Hopefully it’s just smoke. Batten down the shutters folks, and let us know what you think in the comments section below. We’ll keep you updated on the latest.

 

Wouldn't that "discovery" affect non-Apple phones just as much? It it were as bad in practice as that makes it sound, we'd know about it. Certain Android phones have been offering wireless charging for years. I charge my phone almost exclusively on wireless chargers and have for the past eighteen months, and it's just fine.

 

Most likely whats stated in bolded text From the mentioned link.

"When you charge an iPhone X with a cable, it’s the cable which powers the device. However, on inductive charging, the battery is responsible for providing power to the device. This results in undue strain, one which Apple either failed to inform users about again; or is itself unaware of. Whichever is the case, looks like another storm is headed Cupertino’s way. Hopefully it’s just smoke."