*** Official Sager NP8378f2(Clevo PB71DF2-G) ***

It's tough to quantify specific numbers because their are so many variables. What power mode your in, what items are running in the background etc. What I plan on doing is just using entertainment mode (this is the mode I'm in 99% of the time. I'll do a max fans undervolt before repaste with a 10 minute cpu stress test using XTU. Then run the same test after repasting. .

I don't really expect much, but now I'm curious to see how good a job Sager did for their $45 dollar Kryonaut from factory.

 

oh yeah I know I meant in general so whatever you do would be a good guide, also since you owned a sager laptop before what is some info a first-time owner of sager should know, regarding software needed, bios, drivers, anything. because I read through some discussions here and I getting really confused.

 

Bloatware is pretty much non existent so update your video drivers and go ham on some games.

 

Sagers are pretty bloatware free like Meaker said. You might need to download the latest nvidia drivers, but that's about it. The official bios won't allow you to overclock or undervolt from Sager. If you buy from a different vendor you may have more options. HIDEvolution is releasing a bios with overclocking unlocked for this model. I've been buying from Sager for years so I stick with what I know. I use Intel XTU to do an undervolt for cooler temps and that's about it.

 

I received this laptop about a week ago. It was a gift for my wife but I'm thinking of sending it back just because of the following.
-extremely annoying high pitch whistle noise for fans (which i believe triggered my wife's tendinitis)
-I'm concerned it might literally catch on fire along with the power brick. Heat is apparently "normal"
My wife doesn't mind but I'm concerned.

 

Ok so here's the numbers before and after repasting Kyronaut.

Before Repaste, Entertainment Mode Max Fans with -100 millivolt undervolt. 10 minute CPU stress test
MAX CPU temp 78C
Average CPU temp 60C

After Repaste, Entertainment Mode Max Fans with -100 millivolt undervolt. 10 minute CPU stress test
MAX CPU temp 75C
Average CPU temp 61C



FireStrike Numbers
Entertainment Mode -100 millivolt undervolt Max Fan
Before Repaste 18,536
After Repaste 18,916

Perormance Mode -100 millivolt undervolt Max Fan

Before Repaste 18,949
After Repaste 19,608

Sager's got a heavy hand with repasting. It does make sense to avoid any warranty claims, they sure didn't miss a spot! I cleaned them off and added my own Kryonaut on. I'd didn't take any pics of my technique since it's a very personal task these days haha


Repasting didn't make much of a difference. The difference in numbers are slight enough to really be certain background processes not running from the first time. I might try rerunning it again after giving the paste a few days to burn in. There was a small decrease in Max Temps reached, but that can easily have been caused by a background process running the first time and not the second time. I'm going to stick with my original conclusion. The fan/heatsink combo is the limiting element in this bad boy. It's got a hot CPU and and hot GPU. Your not going to get cool and quiet when you run it under load. With that being said it is a great laptop. I like the fit and finish and even how loud and clear the speakers sound. There's no bass to speak of, but your not going to get that out of a laptop anyway. While surfing the web or watching netflix the fans are quiet enough not to bother you and the laptop stays cool. They will spool up for any cpu intensive tasks and especially when the nvidia GPU is used. You can mitigate it a bit by using the profiles, but you can't eliminate it. It can bother some buyers if they want a quiet machine. I'd suggest getting a max Q version of the GPU and see about getting a 35W CPU. If it had the same cooler as this machine you'd have a cool running machine.

 

While there is a lot of paste there the contact pattern does look good so pressure looks to be even across both.

 

Yeah it was a heavy application but contact was good. Didn't look like their was any uneven spots. I've been very happy with sager over the years. All the machines I've had from them have been great. The one time I dropped my old d900t on it's hinge corner they handled the repair w no problems.

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Win10 home or pro IS bloatware.
Run LTSC and you'll wonder why it took you so long to switch, it's *mostly* M$ bloat free.

 

What are you using for a stress test, cause your temps seem extremely low compared to mine. Even repasted mine hits 90c normally, sometimes up to 100 in just gaming. Thats with a -75mV offset. I did take mine back apart today and everything with the cooling was normal, so I'm pretty sure this is just how these CPUs are, it is still just a Skylake processor on 14nm with 2 more cores added on.

My fans lost their high pitched squealing over time. Idk what causes it, but mine have calmed down. They are still loud, just not as obnoxious as when I first used it. As for how long it took, I'd say 5 hours or so under full speed. I haven't been using it much as I still primarily use my desktop. For normal use on mine, the fans barely ramp up, its anything extra thats the issue.

On another note, does anyone have the drivers/software that comes with these things? Second laptop I bought from HID where they didn't give me the drivers/software. Primarily just looking for the correct Control Center software.

 

Call me crazy but I think my control center updated for me through windows. Sager usually puts their drivers up but it takes them awhile to update the website for new models.

I'll check my control center version next time I boot it up.





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Would be appreciated. Need to fresh install this thing to figure out where my issues are coming from. Either its a bad windows install or a bad SSD. But I don't want to do it without being able to get the control center back.

 

I have a CD of drivers that came with my machine too. Worse comes to worse I can see if I can find a CD drive and send it to you. I have one somewhere.

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Good to hear

 

https://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/download/ftpout_download.asp?sno=11919&no=1
Control Center....
although it's listed for the PB71df2 I don't think it varies per model

 

Decided to seek whistle issue and found 2. First i believe is part backcover right over fans.


These bars are just a bad design. They block airflow.
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Would removing the red outlined things void my warranty?.

 

Other things that concern me with exhaust (within red line).




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Modifying the chassis would normally void you warranty, though a sneaky bit of super glue would be hard to spot and seal it.

 

I'm with meaker, I'd seal it with super glue first before getting drastic maybe tape too if u want to avoid something permanent. On your first picture the grey bars are stiffener to keep flex to a minimum. If you do it let me know if it works. Though u could run w the cover off and see if it disappears too.

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Wondering Have you put Fujipoly Pads on your laptop

 

Yea no need for glue since split on bars is not the whistle issue. I blocked openings between heatsink/fans and did not see 99c spikes for about my 10min of testing. A massive contributer to the whistle is space between keyboard/fan :/ not sure what i could do there. Whistle is either
1. Fan
2. Design of intake on cover
3. Suction through a gap near fan inside laptop.

 

Also the fan intake is unlikely to cause a whistle sound. It will draw air through the keyboard too to help keep it and the system cool.

 

I ran the fans on max then lifted the keyboard and noticed a clear correlation with loudness of whistle. Now i pulled the heatsink and noticed MANY more gaps in-between with fans. Extremely careless built heatsink. As too the whistle everything is pointing to the fans themselves. Ran them max with no keyboard or bottom cover and it's still slightly there.

 

Some gaps are expected to aide with in case airflow.

 

How is the overall build quality? Quality of the keyboard? I am looking to order one as it's the only 17" laptop with these specs that also has gsync. Can't find any real in depth reviews compared to MSI, Asus, Eluktronics.

 

I keep wishing someone would post a YouTube review with an in depth walk through


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I own a Asus and i can tell you they have a far much better build quality. I believe the best build quality laptops atm are the hp omen's. Just the process of opening this laptop to access the drives is awful. Feels like so many things can break just by doing that.

 

If Asus give you the ability to open it of course.

 

Asus laptops never seem to age well from the ones I've seen. Their new G14 was a serious contender for my money. I really wanted the big screen though. I've read many a review though that complained of high temps under load too. Last review I read said they had cpu temps of 105C while gaming. They're also hit or miss on their designs. I use their motherboards almost exclusively in my computers. Clevos are no frills performance machines. They're not top quality fit and finish. They're focus on performance internals and they are a bit rough around the edges. With some tweaking they can give you performance very close or better than machines that are 500 to 1000 more in price.

Evey review I've seen of the 10th gen chips in laptops from a variety of manufacturers are saying the same thing high temps and loud fans under load. I think we'll have to wait for Intel's node shrink and nvidia's 3000 mobile series to get cooler internals. We're at least two years out for each though.

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Well, a good node shrink from intel to see lower temps

 

i7-10875H scoring 3200 on Cinebench 20 sounds horribly underwhelming IMO.

Is it a "bad" score? Ehh, maybe not, but underwhelming for sure when I get over 3000 on a 9750H which is a gen older and has 2 fewer cores.

 

I bet if you tweaked a 1087H as well as your 9750H then you'd see a much better score. My 8750H is running quite well and see about 80w regularly and running nice and cool, and I only get about 2300 on C20 with my standard setup. I don't shutdown or tweak the OS in any way to increase my CPU scores, and I bet most posting scores don't either. Normally in gaming benchmarks I can beat most 9750H laptops because they throttle some while mine does not.

 

3200 on cinebench20 is def the normal range on for this laptop. I was able to get 3900 but thats with shutting down all windows background services that are running and running as clean as possible on Windows10. In normal day to day setup mine is right around 3200 depending on ambient temps.

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Can the super gpu overclock 115tdp higher to 125tdp

 

Not sure, there's not that much thermal room left on the cooler for mine. I'm happy w the GPU temps where they are at stock.

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I thought I saw it somewhere, but can't seem to find it again, but is anyone running above 2933mhz memory? I was wanting to get a 32GB kit, but didn't want to waste the money on a 3200 kit if it wouldn't run it.

 

I'm running 3200 32gb w no problem

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Sweet, thanks.

 

Do we know if there will be a 2080 super soon on this platform


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Sager support say they having Clevo X170SM-G in couple weeks

 

Same power limits so it's more of a tweak on some extra performance at lower clocks/voltages in multithread.

 

I winder if it will be similar to what my didnt with it’s top of the line. I bought a sager with a 4770k and a 980m that’s still going strong today but it’s past due for an upgrade at this point. My dad is actually using that rig for work now and I have been waiting for the right rig for me to buy these are looking to be close


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I'm happy with it. If I could do it over I might have gotten a Max q 2080 for a better tdp and more thermal room. It would let the fans run a little quieter. That's really my only complaint.

It looks like the 48 second 105 turbo boost temp limit is 70C. So this machine will boost to 105w for 48 seconds or 70C. Whichever comes first. (Hint it won't be anywhere close to @48 seconds )

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I tried seeing if I could actually get the sustained turbo boost for the total 107w boost. Using my advanced custom cooling solution I managed to maintain it for about 30s. CPU temps were about 68C until a temp spike set of the power throttle. Anyone know if we can change the temp polling rates? It's currently a bit jittery.

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Polling rates will be embedded in the EC.

 

What is your advanced cooling solution


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It's a serious solution, not for the faint of heart. I out my laptop on my central a/c register. Makes for excellent temps . Most will find the added cost of a 2 ton central ac system a bit excessive.

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Not to mention the extra weight when traveling

 

Well fortunately you can disconnect it and maybe only take the 2 ton AC with you if you have a good bag with you

 

They do give you crazy looks when you ask for a 240v 30amp breaker

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