*** Official Sager NP8150/Clevo P150HM Owners Lounge ***

Ok. So if I choose the 6230, I'll have two bluetooth chips inside the laptop because the 6230 itself has its own bluetooth chip?

 

Where does it say the intel 6230 has an integrated bluetooth chip?

 

What I'm really worried about are the temps..

in notebookcheck, the temps rise so rapidly, and i think notebookcheck cut the furmark run at a really short period for a reason.

I would love that GTX 485m, but I'm afraid it might be too hot for this to handle.

 

Guess you have to wait for more reviews to pour in then, weird that they haven't yet.

 

The Sager NP8170 uses the HM67 chipset and the Sager NP8150 and Sager NP8130 use the HM65 chipset.

If you upgrade to the Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300 card there is no way to also have Bluetooth. It requires a combo card like the standard 802.11 b/g/n wireless LAN + Bluetooth™ V3.0 + HS card or the Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth card.

 

Unlike previous models - on the 8150 / P150HM, 8130 / P150HM1 and 8170 / P170HM, there is not a separate slot for bluetooth, so if you want bluetooth, you will have to select the standard 802.11A/B/G/N LAN and Bluetooth Combo Card or the Intel® 6230 Advanced-N 802.11A/B/G/N LAN and Bluetooth Card.

If you select the Intel® 6300 Advanced-N 802.11A/B/G/N LAN, there are no bluetooth options.

 

Another thing you have to fix on your site then, it lists the 6300 with bluetooth.

Edit: Seems to have been fixed now.

 

Is there a wifi speed difference in 802.11 bgn and the 6300?..

I thought of getting 6300.. but if that is the case...

 

I think one reaches up to 450 megabits per second while the lesser one gets up to 350 megabits per second.

 

The standard 802.11 b/g/n wireless LAN + Bluetooth™ V3.0 + HS is at least 150Mb/s, the Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth card is 300Mb/s, and the Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300 is 450Mb/s. Of course you need a router with those higher speeds to make them work.

However, unless you are transferring data between computers on a local WiFi network, there is no need to upgrade beyond the standard card because it is already way faster than the fastest consumer Internet download speed (around 60Mb/s). AND, if you are transferring data between computers on a local network, your hardwired connection is over 2~3 times faster at 1Gb/s than any of the WiFi solutions.

The Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth will not begin shipping until late January.

 

Thanks for the clarification.. I might not have to go to 6300-n after all..

Anyways, paladin44, is there any way you could tell me how the gtx 485m holds its temps in this laptop?..

Thanks..

 

Wait so if I go with 6300N...I won't have bt on my laptop? Don't they have a separate option for BT on customization page (Internal Bluetooth + EDR)? Or are you guys talking about something else?

 

On previous models, there were two separate slots: one for wifi and one bluetooth, but on these new models: the 8130 / P150HM1, 8150 / P150HM & 8170 / P170HM, there isn't a separate slot for bluetooth, so you have to get a wifi/bluetooth combo card - which is either the standard 802.11B/G/N wireless LAN + Bluetooth™ V3.0 + HS or the Intel® Centrino® 6230 Advanced-N 802.11A/B/G/N wireless LAN + Bluetooth™. If you get the Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6300 802.11A/B/G/N wireless LAN, you cannot add internal bluetooth on these three models. You will need to purchase a USB bluetooth adapter.

 

There is no way to give any intelligent comment on heat until we actually get them.

As for Bluetooth, if you get the Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300 you would have to get a mini-USB Bluetooth module. They are so small you can just leave it plugged in even when putting it in your carrying case.

Sager also just informed us that the Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6230 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth is now in stock.

 

There is one slot on the motherboard so you can either have either of the first two cards with Bluetooth or have the 6300 and No Bluetooth.

 

ok, sorry about that, it was confirmed for me.

 

@Peezy,

Read the two posts just above yours for more accurate information.

 

And of course you can always easily add a USB one like below. Many have liked this one...

Newegg.com - AZiO BTD-V201 USB 2.0 Micro Bluetooth Adapter (Class 1, V2.1 + EDR)

 

But when you go to configure, Bluetooth is separate and selected regardless of which wireless card you get.

edit: Yeah, I have that exact BT USB adapter on my desktop. Works fine, actually has surprising range. Only issue is it would keep trying to sync my phone any time it would get within range and keep giving me errors because it would then drop off while syncing. More an issue with the software than the dongle though.

 

Oh ok...

I wonder if there is any practical difference in speed/range between 6230 and 6300 for normal users?

 

I might wait for reviews then on the heat... before I actually order anything..

I've once tried it out and bit the bullet on a GX740,

it turned out that the laptop's crazy overheating drove me crazy...

 

Okay, some of the retailers in the thread are referring to the "Stock b/g/n" card, and others are referring to the "Stock a/b/g/n" card, and the respective websites are different. Which is it?

 

Both.

802.11 cards are all backward compatible, so the "n" will also support a/b/g as well.

 

Alright, I just wanted to clear it up since n is not necessarily backwards compatible with a, since it can merely have the 2.4GHz spectrum radio and not the 5GHz radio.

 

CORRECTION:

The Intel WiFi cards are backward compatible, but the 802.11 b/g/n wireless LAN + Bluetooth™ V3.0 + HS is 2.4Ghz band only so it will not support "a"

 

For those of you looking for WiDi support, I believe it not only requires an Intel Wifi card but also the use of the IGP which is seemingly disabled by Clevo. From what I can tell using WiDi with a Nvidia GPU requires the laptop to have Optimus. Yet another reason this laptop should have GPU switching.

The same goes for Intel Quick Sync

 

What is the difference between,

Intel Huron River HM65
Intel Huron River HM67
Intel Huron River QM67

Rank them if possible.
Which Sager has which?

Bluetooth V4.0 around the corner, will it be supported on NP8130/NP8150 if bought separately (USB 3.0 Bluetooth V4.0 mini adapter)?

 

8130 and 8150 are HM65 while the 8170 is HM67.

The HM67 supports Intel XTU, which it is being planned to be supported on the NP8170 but with some minor issues that still needs to be tweaked so it’s release ETA is end of jan’11

 

This is exactly what I'm referring to.

What do you mean by HS in the standard wifi card for these laptops?

Also, 6230 has only 2 antennas hence referred to as "2x2" while the 6300 is "3x3" and yes definitely 6300 has a faster connection (if you have a good router).

Can resellers please confirm about the WiDi?

 

The "HS" refers to the Bluetooth 3.0 "High Speed" version.

 

Justin - So... If the Core i7 2920XM Extreme Edition was put into an NP8150, it would not be overclockable in any way at all, even without the Intel XTU? Even ThrottleStop?

 

If I were to purchase a configuration for $1800 with a i7-2630QM and 485M, how much do you think it's value will be a year from now? I just want to make sure I have a laptop that will play battlefield 3 maxed out, and will sell it for a new laptop if it can't.

 

I'm having trouble deciding between the 2630 and the 2720 in this same regard. Trying to figure out if that half a ghz is worth $160 more for playing today's games and games a year+ from now maxed out. Am I correct in the assumption that the the processor in both cases will be the bottleneck combined with the 485 (for games)?

 

If thats true then whats the point in having it as an option on the NP8150?

 

I don't know if it's true or not. But I will tell you one thing; even if it's true they don't care. It's an expensive processor, chances are some people have money to buy it even though they don't want to o/c

 

the 2720qm turbos to 3.1ghz. the 2630qm only turbos to 2.6ghz. big difference.

 

If your purchase is mainly for gaming, the 2630 will be plenty. In games you will most likely not notice any benefit in going to the 2720...

 

so the 2630 would not bottleneck the 485 as some posts suggested?

 

Considering the Core i7-2630m is as powerful as most desktop current gen i7's, and the GTX 485m is roughly about the same as a desktop GTX 260, I don't think it would bottleneck it at all.

 

Im hoping it wont be hot either, but you have to figure the old series of laptops i hear run pretty cool. The new CPUs should run cooler and the GTX485M should run about the same i would assume.

 

Here is more info on the 2630...

 

Here is a comparison of all the new 2nd Gen Intel CPUs, including the i7-2630QM:

http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/1502-21-3331/Intel_2nd_Gen_Core_Specs.pdf

 

Hmm, good info, thanks. So it seems the i7-2630QM only supports max 1333MHz DDR3 and no VT-d.

 

Yeah, the 2720 is seeming like a pretty solid upgrade. Not too crazy expensive for +200MHz, +400MHz with turbo boost, faster ram, faster graphics (for those machines that use it). Past that though, now you're paying hundreds of dollars for each additional 100MHz.

 

I don't know how indicative Eurocom prices are for other sager/clevo laptops, but their Panther 2.0 laptop has both the 485M and the ati 6970M. The price of the 6970M is $417 less than the 485M and only a $66 upgrade from a 460M. Will the pricing model be the same for the Sager NP8150?

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,214,0)

 

based on the 8690 build, how good did it do with cooling when it came to gaming? I ask this because its the predcessor of the 8150 and both builds look similar so looking at the 8690 could possible give some insight on how well the 8150 does when it comes to cooling. Im sorta looking into going for the 15 inch now but im afraid that because of its size it might overheat since it being a smaller system. So if anyone could share some opinions or some 8690 facts then I would appreciate it.

 

I'm wondering the same thing. Another user on this forum said not to dive in to the NP8150 just yet because they read something about the heat hitting 70 after a minute in Furmark (?). I don't want to purchase something that I won't be able to use to its maximum potential. I'm getting the IC Diamond Thermal compound, which I assume is something for cooling, and the 485M and that is why the guy said not to jump in on one just yet.

 

I havent heard that but now im just that more anxious to know! I do agree with you though about not being able to use a product for the reason you bought it. Ive experienced the exact situation with my HP ever since ive had it and I wouldnt want a repeat situation with this. I figured though if the last 15 inch didnt do so bad then how much could things change for this one beside having a different gpu and cpu.

 

Yes, the retailers told me that they were going to get the models to review, specifically xoticpc stated that they would do a video review..

I would trust on what they have to say about the temps. They said the model is currently in transit, so we should be able to get a good grasp about the temps..

 

Mine is getting here on monday!! I will let you guys know.