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    Official Sager NP8130/Clevo P151HM1 Owners Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by opelfrost, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. burninh2o

    burninh2o Notebook Consultant

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    Oh sweet...this is a great news.
     
    burninh2o, Jan 11, 2011
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    ^--^
    Not so fast :)

    The Sager NP8130 will only take the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M w/1.5GB GDDR5 now, and it won't support the 470M or 485M because it does not have the thermal solution or a large enough power supply.

    So, until a "better" GPU actually comes out in the same thermal and power envelop no one can tell you whether the Sager NP8130 will support it, because there is no way to test it, or to believe anything will really be "better" with the same technical requirements.

    Buying the Sager NP8130 with the belief that you could Upgrade to a Better GPU will most likely be a mistake.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 11, 2011
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  3. burninh2o

    burninh2o Notebook Consultant

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    oh not so sweet...this is not so great news.

    hehe
     
    burninh2o, Jan 11, 2011
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    If you want the upgradeability get the NP8150 (or 8170 if you want 17")
     
    HTWingNut, Jan 11, 2011
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  5. Ryan

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    Any ideas if this will also receive the 485m?... Darn I just can't pass the matte screen! :D

    This is my first clevo, and I've heard that these are the most upgradeable laptops out there..
     
    Ryan, Jan 11, 2011
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  6. Ryan

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    Oh, just read the post, haha.

    Maybe I should go for the 8150 after all..
     
    Ryan, Jan 11, 2011
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  7. burkle25

    burkle25 Are you a color?

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    Phase 2

    :D
     
    burkle25, Jan 11, 2011
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  8. Larry@LPC-Digital

    Larry@LPC-Digital Company Representative

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    There is absolutely no reason to believe this will not take place with this model with this chassis, thermals, power requirements, and chipset. It is reasonable... ;)
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jan 11, 2011
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  9. burninh2o

    burninh2o Notebook Consultant

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    I think NP8130 is a better choice. I don't want another 17" monster. I want to game but also want it to be portable.

    Is blu-ray player worth it on 15" laptop?
     
    burninh2o, Jan 11, 2011
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  10. burkle25

    burkle25 Are you a color?

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    I got it. It's a 50$ upgrade and you can hook the computer up to a tv or monitor.
     
    burkle25, Jan 11, 2011
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  11. burninh2o

    burninh2o Notebook Consultant

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    Oh that's a good point you pointed out about hooking up to tv. Will probably go for it. :)
     
    burninh2o, Jan 11, 2011
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  12. Pooster

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    Oh boy. All this subtle hinting is getting me excited. Don't get me excited for nothing!

    *Hopes that you're referring to cards beyond the 485m*
     
    Pooster, Jan 11, 2011
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  13. Donald@Paladin44

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    It isn't about the chipset...it is about the thermal solution and power supply.

    Why does the Sager NP8150 have a 180W power supply while the Sager NP8130 has 120W?

    Trust me, the Sager NP8130 will not ever support the 485M, or any GPU that requires more than a 120W power supply.

    And, until this newer, better GPU that will fit into the 120W power and thermal envelop of the Sager NP8130 comes out and can be tested there is no way to know whether it will work.

    Anyone who buys the Sager NP8130 counting on the fact that the GPU can be upgraded to something "better" does so at their own risk, and anyone telling you otherwise...well...
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 11, 2011
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  14. Larry@LPC-Digital

    Larry@LPC-Digital Company Representative

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    All I am saying is it is reasonable, it has happened to just about all of the Sager / Clevo models in the last 2 years that came with similar thermals and a 120W power supply that upgrades DID HAPPEN. The thermals on the NP8130 is such again that it is reasonable the cards in the future with similar thermal and power needs will come. The pattern in the last 2 years and reason lean me to this.

    Of course the 485M or similar cards will not work... :)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jan 11, 2011
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  15. Stelio

    Stelio Notebook Evangelist

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    sorry to throw this out there but I have read on the 8150 that it will have a rubberized surface, is this the same with the 8130?
     
    Stelio, Jan 12, 2011
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    No, it is just on the Sager NP8150.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 12, 2011
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  17. burninh2o

    burninh2o Notebook Consultant

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    Is it true that when BF3 is announced, a newer GTX 5xxM cards will be announced? hehe...now I am thinking twice before making a decision.
     
    burninh2o, Jan 12, 2011
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  18. Larry@LPC-Digital

    Larry@LPC-Digital Company Representative

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    ^^^^Most likely not in the very near future. At CES nVidia only announced these 5xxM cards...

    GeForce GT 555M
    GeForce GT 550M
    GeForce GT 540M
    GeForce GT 525M
    GeForce GT 520M
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jan 12, 2011
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  19. burkle25

    burkle25 Are you a color?

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    Define rubberized surface...
     
    burkle25, Jan 12, 2011
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  20. johnnyman27

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    hi guys!!!i have a w860cu and i am thinking to sell it and buy this new lappy!!can i upgrade the card for a better one or it can only support gtx 460m??e.g gtx 485m or new ati 6970m??
     
    johnnyman27, Jan 12, 2011
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  21. Ryan

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    I honestly think it will work if we can just get the 180W AC Adapter..

    but I'm not sure, and if a 6970m pops up later with a good price, I am going to try it out and see if this model supports it.

    For now, it's only the 460m.
     
    Ryan, Jan 12, 2011
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  22. Stelio

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    Well you see...
    I heard it was similar to the G73, as the surface has a rubber coating (apprently the ports too)
    Gona have to think really hard if I want the matte screen or better graphics, so hard to decide

    Just recently put my g53jw order on hold, thinking of switching to the 8130 or the new models being announced this week.


    Does anyone know what kind of specs the new ones will have? Like a 525m+i7 optimus maybe?
     
    Stelio, Jan 12, 2011
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  23. Stelio

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    Another quick question do any of these models have backlit keyboards?
     
    Stelio, Jan 12, 2011
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    Just ordered mine from XoticPC with i7-2720QM, 2.2-3.3GHz,8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz and nVidia GeForce GTX 460M. Any idea on a release date?
     
    Dthorny2010, Jan 12, 2011
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  25. Donald@Paladin44

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    They will have Optimus switchable graphics using nVIDIA 540M.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 12, 2011
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    The Sager NP8130 is in stock and shipping daily.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 12, 2011
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  27. MALIBAL

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    Hi, the 8130 / P150HM1, 8150 / P150HM & 8170 / P170HM don't have backlit keyboards.
     
    MALIBAL, Jan 12, 2011
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  28. Justin@XoticPC

    Justin@XoticPC Company Representative

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    Thank you for the purchase, you will enjoy the new system :) As others have said they are in stock and shipping after production/testing.

    Feel free to contact any of our sales representatives if we can be of any assistance.
     
    Justin@XoticPC, Jan 12, 2011
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  29. HTWingNut

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    Still waiting on your quote Justin!
     
    HTWingNut, Jan 12, 2011
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  30. Ryan

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    When do you think you guys will get it in your hands so that there can be a thorough review from the retailers? :D
     
    Ryan, Jan 12, 2011
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  31. JBossch

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    I registered here just to second this!

    Will XoticPC have a video review?? If this machine is good I am definitely buying from you guys.
     
    JBossch, Jan 12, 2011
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  32. Stelio

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    Hey I was looking at a picture over at XoticPC (link is http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/8130/81305.jpg) If you look at #5 which is the battery pack it seems it is more over to one side (the left)...Does this create a weight discrepancy? If so is this normal? How is it to move it around?
     
    Stelio, Jan 12, 2011
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  33. Justin@XoticPC

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    We have review units of the 8130 and 8150 on the way to us and we will be doing our regular video reviews as soon as they are received. :)

    You should have both of them :)
     
    Justin@XoticPC, Jan 12, 2011
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  34. burninh2o

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    CeBIT 2011...expecting any good upgrade for NP8130? Maybe 2GB 6970?
     
    burninh2o, Jan 12, 2011
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  35. Ryan

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    I'm not sure when the 6970m are going to be released though..

    It most likely wont fit in this laptop but it will be a cheaper solution than the 485m in the 8150.
     
    Ryan, Jan 12, 2011
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  36. George Washington

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    I want the 8150 so bad. I feel like I should go ahead and get it but I've heard to wait. My specs:

    Sager NP8150
    nVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M 256bit w/2.0GB GDDR5
    Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM (2.2~3.3GHz, 45W) w/6M L3 Cache
    IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
    4-6GB RAM
    750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM HD
    Combo Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW CD-R/RW Drive
    Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300 Wireless Card
    Windows 7 Pro
     
    George Washington, Jan 12, 2011
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  37. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    ^^^^That system should do you well for a LONG time... :)
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jan 12, 2011
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  38. HTWingNut

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    Wait for what? That's pretty much top of the line right now. Can't get any better any sooner. Only thing better is an Intel XM CPU and SLI GTX 485m. If you wait then there will just be something else around the corner.
     
    HTWingNut, Jan 12, 2011
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  39. burninh2o

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    Well, the AMD GPU will be put on Clevo starting march. I just hope they put something new on NP8130 as well as other models...460M is fast but maybe the newer mid-range amd would be a bit "better."

    btw, BF franchise is AMD's game right? I mean, AMD advertises BF games with their new cards right?
     
    burninh2o, Jan 12, 2011
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  40. 2MNY

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    I'm a bit skeptical of this claim. AFAIK notebook graphics cards connect over a PCI express bus to the motherboard northbridge chipset which then outputs to a display.

    If you have one of these notebooks, does the i7 IGP show up in the device manager? If you disable the Nvidia graphics card, does the IGP work?
     
    2MNY, Jan 12, 2011
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  41. Bhima

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    So Donald, the 8130 will get an optimus option? Do you have an estimate as to when?

    My other question is: If your discrete card dies on you and you have an optimus laptop, would you still be able to use your laptop's integrated gpu until you get the discrete replaced?
     
    Bhima, Jan 12, 2011
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  42. dalingrin

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    Yes and no. As far as I know, MXM has dedicated video output through the connector that is separate from the PCI Express bus. In other words, in a traditional notebook the video coming out of an MXM card is post RAMDAC, LVDS, etc. However, in a switchable GPU situation I believe the framebuffer is essentially copied over the PCI Express bus to the IGP where video is then output through it's RAMDAC/LVDS.
    The closest thing I could find to support my claim that MXM has video output as well as PCI Express connectivity are the following links:
    http://www.mxm-upgrade.com/Tech_13.html
    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1592849,00.asp

    I am assuming that if Clevo is not going to use a switchable GPU then they would have disabled the IGP in the motherboard firmware. I'd love to know as soon as someone gets one of these laptops.
     
    dalingrin, Jan 12, 2011
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  43. burkle25

    burkle25 Are you a color?

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    So Nvidia Optimus = switchable GPU?
    ... I'm behind obviously
     
    burkle25, Jan 13, 2011
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  44. dalingrin

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    Indeed. Optimus is Nvidia's name for their dynamic switchable GPU. It can switch between them on the fly based on GPU load.
     
    dalingrin, Jan 13, 2011
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    Is there any other difference between the NP8130 and the NP8150 than

    1) Power supply
    2) Matte & Glossy

    The chipsets seem to be the same, if I can only get a 180W adapter, wouldn't the NP8130 also be able to house the 6970m once it hits?
    Have there been limitations in the clevo BIOS regarding GPU upgradeability in the past machines?
     
    Ryan, Jan 13, 2011
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  46. opelfrost

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    i believe i read somewhere that there is a difference in their cooling solution too, but i'm not sure.
     
    opelfrost, Jan 13, 2011
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  47. burninh2o

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    I have decided to wait a little for AMD's GPU release. Maybe it is same speed or little bit faster but hopefully runs little cooler...

    btw, what is CUDA and who/when one needs it?
     
    burninh2o, Jan 13, 2011
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  48. Ryan

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    Well, their dimensions are exactly the same...

    I just hope to get a bit of info on the review models to see if the two chassis share the same internal components..
     
    Ryan, Jan 13, 2011
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    Will it be able to run memory clocked greater than 1600Mhz?
     
    burninh2o, Jan 13, 2011
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  50. Donald@Paladin44

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    No, the Sager NP8130 will not utilize Optimus. The partial quote you selected is referring to the Sager NP5160 and NP5170 that will be released in the next day or two, and they will have Optimus using the 540M.

    Yes, if operating properly the integrated card will still display your video if your discrete card should fail.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Jan 13, 2011
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