Official Sager NP8130/Clevo P151HM1 Owners Lounge

First of all, people get viruses and malware because of sites they visit, and being stupid about it. Mac is vulnerable, but since Windows operates on like 90% of PC's on the planet, it's gonna get its significant share of attacks. I think I've only had less than a handful of viruses in the 20+ years I've used windows, and all were caught by free anti-virus programs, and got them when visiting questionable sites.

Avast and Microsoft Security Essentials are both great free anti-virus protection.

A frequent run with ccleaner, glary utilities, and malwarebytes anti-malware will keep your system in tip top shape.

 

Can both Avast and MSE be used together/at the same time? Is there any benefit to doing so?

I know that Macs can get the same stuff PCs can, but it's not as usual of a occurrence. I try not to go to questionable sites. The only sites I don't know that I sometimes go to is when I'm browsing stories on N4G (News 4 Gamers) and an article interest me. Normally though I stick to sites that I know are okay (granted even some of those can be compromised, but they're less likely then sites that I don't know.)

I've had my PC for 5 years now and I've only had one virus on it (Earth AV crap,) but even still, my PC is extremely slow now. Though I think that it's because it's old (Windows Vista Basic, Pentium 4 3Ghz processor, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, and I recently upgraded the GPU to a GT 240,) and it's having issues keeping up with todays internet technology. Heck I should be able to play Guild Wars 2 (based off of systemrequirementslab.com) without issues yet I'm only getting 10-20 FPS with graphical settings on High (unless I'm delusional in thinking that my PC could actually run it at max with a decent FPS lol.) Think my PCs just too old to keep anymore, or could there be some spyware slowing it down?

I just don't want that to happen to this new PC I'm getting, considering it's a much bigger investment then my desktop (which was around $300 when I got it 5 years ago, not counting the upgrades I made to it.)

 

Never run more than one AV software at once.

I use MSE..

and also, for hackintosh to work, the hardware must be supported by apple.

I don't think the HM65 chipset is supported by apple yet, and also the gfx card may be unusable in OS X.

 

Did you mean gw or gw2? With your specs, you should be able to run gw on high without much issue.

If you meant gw2, how did you get your hands on it??

If your current machine is slow, I would use some of the tools htwingnut suggested to do a bit of cleanup. Everyone succumbs to some kind of malware at one time or another, so unless you're the type who clicks "OK/Next/Yes" on everything, I don't think you have too much to worry about...

 

Ahh, I thought something like that could complicate things. That's cool, guess that ideas out the window! No big deal.

Guess I'm so ready for GW2 that I added a 2 when I meant just Guild Wars haha. My bad. Yeah, it should be running at least 30 FPS (I'm assuming anyways,) at high settings with my setup currently, but it's not which disappoints me considering that's the sole reason I bought a new card after my 7800GT died on me. Hmm...I'll see what I can do, hopefully it'll get my desktop running a bit better for now.

Anyways, sorry for derailing this topic into a "help me with my issue that has nothing to do with notebooks" one.

 

some guy already switched out the thermal paste on his 8130

The $40 price point for the IC diamond compound isn't that good of a deal since you can get your own thermal paste for ~$5 and apply it yourself with 15 minutes of your time. If they cut the price in half, it might be worth considering since you wouldn't save that much money doing it yourself, and you avoid hassles like potentially stripping a screw head, or losing a tiny screw etc...

If the extra $40 fits in your budget and you're not comfortable applying thermal paste yourself, you might want to get it. If the extra $40 puts you over your budget, it's probably not worth getting. The stock paste is fine, the IC diamond probably lowers temps an additional 1-5C.

 

Is there a way to find out what Firewire chip this uses? Want to see if firewire is usable for audio work.. My feeling is that its not judging from what i hear from daw notebook distrobutors (adk audio)

I didnt even know it had firewire

 

Pretty sure its a standard TI 1394 implementation.

 

hi i dont have a receipt or something because i got it as a gift from windows 7 lauch party by microsoft

 

Do you have the original sticker or anything proving you're the original owner? But in either case it's probaby the full version then and shouldn't have any issues installing it. Although I'd be tempted to call Microsoft though and report it stolen. But then they might say sorry, we have to deactivate it.

 

A general question.. How are supposed to weigh the pros and cons of 4gb of 1600 ram vs say, 8gb of 1300? Is there a reason why the max of 1600 ram anyone offers is 4gb?

 

The Sager NP7280 is the only Sager model that uses a TI chipset for IEEE 1394 (Firewire).

However for you audiophiles please do a little research on new recording equipment because you will find that Firewire is a dying protocol. It is being replaced with USB 3.0 which is actually much faster. You will see some "Hybrid" gear out there now, and within a year or so you just won't see new gear with IEEE 1394 (Firewire) anymore.

The other dying protocol is ExpressCard, which is also being replaced with USB 3.0

 

in response to do i have a original sticker... ya i have full cover of it..

 

Well, the issue is not so much the production of new audio gear. In practice fw will be hard to get rid of since the entire industry is on it currently, and has been on it forever. Recording gear is too expensive to replace so take much longer to phase out than say, usb 1.0 peripherals. And practically every single studio in the world will need to be switched over. There are even rumors of custom sandy notebooks being created with expresscard, or some way of supporting firewire.

Audio industry is slow.. Think of midi.. Thats been a dying protocol since the forever.. And some gear has switched to usb, but since midi is old and manifacturers know how to deal with it so well, it still remains a reliable protocol and a solid standard. Stuff like that is hard to change.

Though i do agree usb 3 is definitely the future, i always hated the fact that firewore was the only mainstream way to use high throughput recording gear.

 

Isn't there a way to do USB 3.0 to firewire?

 

Sure, just Google for them and you will find lots of options.

 

YouTube - Sager NP8130 gaming laptop Review PowerNotebooks is this the only video on the laptop? For some reason the screen doesn't look like its widescreen...Was the video cropped badly?

Anyone else have some other video on the laptop??

 

The video format that they posted is 4:3, which is why it looks weird.

I'm lagging, but I'll post one eventually.

 

Have any of you guys had any problems with your 8130?

 

oh my gosh...it does!

 

Hey if I ever decide to where would I buy a caddy for a ssd in the optical bay? Are there just standard ones I can buy or does it have to be compatible with the np8130? And if I do is there a way that I can set it up so that it is like a hybrid and the regular hard drive automatically sends the files most used to the ssd?

 

Check newmodeus.com or PM mythlogic as he stated they have some for purchase.

No way to set it up like hybrid, and not sure why you'd want to do that. Install Windows and common apps on the SSD, and install all your games and store your data (My Documents, Pictures, Videos, etc) on your hard drive.

 

(1) Is there any difference in the cooling between the np8130 and np8150? I am hoping the cooling systems are the same, since I may end up going with the np8130.

(2) Could current owners of the 8130 comment on the screen? Do you think the colors are crisp and accurate? Is the contrast good? How are the vertical viewing angles?

Thanks in advance.

 

Sager now offers all the hard drives in the ODD Bay using the appropriate caddy. They just started offering it, so check it out.

 

Hey guys does this look like a a good cooler for this laptop?? Buy the Zalman ZM-NC2000-S Notebook Cooler at TigerDirect.ca

 

I doubt it. If you look at pics of this lappie, most of the fans look like they are closer to the back, while the vents on this cooler are concentrated on the front half.

 

damn what should I get then?

 

Don't get anything until you are sure you need one...which you probably won't with a Sager NP8130.

 

I plan on hooking the laptop up to a 26" tv screen pretty often. Thats why I was looking into buying one. (I'd rather not have the laptop fan running at max, which may bring down the lifespan of the fan and then the laptop)

If the laptop screen is amazing then I may just use it =] I have a G15 keyboard and Razr mouse I plan to use.

 

My advice is to wait also. Until you definitely know that you need a cooler, don't bother getting it. If it gets too hot for your liking in the first week or something then buy it.

 

I think you'll be surprised, they are quite good although hard to turn down a 26" monitor/tv.

 

Got mine about 10 days ago, default config with Seagate Momentus XT. Great service by the folks of ReflexNotebook (Canada, Montreal).

 

I received mine this past Wednesday and i wanted to point out that my Ram modules are installed under the keyboard, thanks for your work on that Palladin44!

 

Mines coming on tuesday, so look out for my review at xoticpc forums,

 

Anyone? --------------

 

Hey can't comment on the screen, except its the same screen as here:

Review Schenker XMG P500 PRO Gaming Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

For the cooling system, the NP8130 and 8150 have different cooling systems, with the 8150 having better cooling along with more robust power supplies (Just bigger), so you will see more upgrade options with the 8150 than you will the 8130.

 

Ordered my 8130 Mid last week and just waiting on it to get crafted and delivered. Really rough waiting though

 

I am brand new here and have done considerable reading about the various Sager models. I have a pre-order pending for the NP5160 but due to the additional delay and time to ponder, I am considering upgrading to the NP8130. The upgrade with similar specs will cost approximately $278. I will be using the Sager for medium gaming, internet, office apps, movies, and will need occasional portability. I will be with power most of the time so not terribly concerned with the reduced battery life on the 8130. I have read both threads in the owners forums but still unsure on a couple topics:

HD Matte screen on the 8130 vs HD Glossy screen on the 5160 - are there other technical differences in the screen? Is one better than the other for daily use? I have never owned a Matte screen so not sure what to expect. Will colors seemed washed out and not be as vibrant on a Matte screen? I realize this is often a matter of opinion but trying to weed through the many opinions.

GTX460M on 8130 vs GT540M on 5160 - 460M is better video by far according to what I read but will not have Optimus technology and reduce battery life. Does Optimus cause problems with gaming? Is Optimus really a great benefit or still somewhat untested? I have read conflicting articles on this and not sure if it is worth the hassle due to still being newer technology.

Here are my two setups I am considering... Any advice is greatly appreciated. I am also going to post in the NP5160 thread in case future owners of that laptop only review over there.

Sager NP5160 / Clevo W150HN PRE ORDER
15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM, 2.0-2.8GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache)
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
nVidia GT 540M 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR3 DX11 with Optimus™ Technology
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)- Special
6X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive-
500GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid (Serial-ATA II 300 - 32MB Cache)
Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
3 Year Labor 1 Year Parts, Lifetime Sager Toll Free Tech Support

Sager NP8130 / Clevo P151HM1
15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Matte Type Screen
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM, 2.0-2.8GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache)
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
nVidia GeForce GTX 460M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)-
Combo Dual Laye~ 6X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
500GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid (Serial-ATA II Internal
7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs

 

Dthorny2010 had posted some pics of his 8130 here http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/546488-official-sager-np8130-clevo-p151hm1-owners-lounge-10.html#post7081549. For a matte screen, the colours do look pretty vibrant, but if you are used to a glossy, the colours on a matte will not pop as much, and could possibly seem a little washed out to you. Like others have said, it really comes down to personal preference in most cases.

If you go with the 5160, I am not sure if there is really a need for the IC Diamond thermal compound. However, since it's only $20 (compared to +$40 for the 8130), it costs almost the same as if you would apply it yourself.

Also, do you really need the Intel 6300 card? Take a look at this post about the difference between stock, 6230, and 6300 http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/546387-official-sager-np8150-clevo-p150hm-owners-lounge-9.html#post7046669

 

Do you know what exactly is different about the cooling in the 8150? I'm **comparing the picture of a 8150 ( Here) with my 8130 right now, and it looks the same .

EDIT : **Comparing the internals Lol. Not the externals.

 

From what we know, the 8150 should have a better blower allowing it to move more air. But the biggest change between them is the power brick. As the 8130 and the 8150 share a motherboard, as they share a BIOS update.

 

It is a matter of opinion indeed. I am tired of seeing myself on the screen, so, I'm going with matte. Colors on glare screens look a little more shiny. But matte screen has better outdoor visibility for obvious reasons.

Optimus is for multimedia laptops with lower end graphic cards. What it does is that it analyses your graphical usage and switches between integrated and dedicated graphic card or underclocks it. Why it's not for high-end cards? Because they are for gaming. Optimus is a new technology. It's not optimized well. In middle of a game it may underclock your gpu or switch to the other one. See why it's a problem?

 

Actually the batteries are quite different. The NP8130 comes with an 8-cell 76.96Wh battery and the NP5160 comes with a 6-cell 62.16Wh battery.

Also, the NP5160 has been tested to last longer, which makes sense, as it has Optimus and the NP8130 doesn't (and never will according to Sager).

 

oh i thought he's talking about 8150 and 8130, sorry
gonna fix it there
Lack of optimus is good. Optimus ruins the game. Just try it once and see it.
I don't know why sager doesn't assign a button to switch between gpus?

 

Kayvanmsh, I was under the impression that the Optimus Technology will allow you to force the use either the discrete card or the integrated system. To be fair, you would have to change it every time you planned to game, but I believe the NP5160 does have the button switch that you are talking about, shown here, if you look at the gallery and then the labeled keyboard. Its the upper left corner button. I have heard that the button switches on other makes and models do not always work well, but at least they are trying

 

Dude! You're right! I wish it was in 8130/50/70 too
But if they put an option to choose the card upon boot (press F6 to use integrated card), i don't think that causes problems.

 

Optimus is automatic:
Key Benefits:
Optimus technology is completely automatic allowing you to experience longer battery life and amazing visuals without having to manually change settings.
Behind the scenes and with no interference to what you’re doing, Optimus seamlessly figures out how to best optimize your notebook computing experience.
NVIDIA graphics you’ve come to expect, with more than 10x better performance¹ with NVIDIA® CUDA™ technology, allowing you to enjoy your applications and games without interruption or worry.
: From nvidia web site

 

If that automatic implementation of Optimus was on a high end gaming laptop it would cause no end of issues.

The Sager NP5160 does have a manual switch to put it in the user's control which is better for the gamer.

Automatic switching can only really be useful for light gaming, multimedia and business productivity applications.

 

I am so with you on this! If they had Optimus with easy switching on the NP8130, I would have preordered the day it came out. I was even hoping that since other manufacturers (Asus, Dell, etc) were adding Optimus for the GTX 460M in the driver updates that maybe Sager would do the same thing. Unfortunately, I and others have recieved the same reply from Sager on this question (that reply being that the NP8130 and NP8150 would never support Optimus, and that if we wanted Optimus, we should look at the NP5160). Maybe someone will figure out how to do this on these machines, but it might be a while.

 

I'm sure someone will find a way. There's nothing a hacker can't do. They hacked PS3, right?

EDIT: I say again Optimus isn't good for gaming until it's more optimized. It's better to have a manual way of switching.