**Official Sager NP5160 / Clevo W150HNQ Owners' Lounge**

Actually it will apply worldwide since it is Clevo that is holding up the original shipment.

 

darn, wonder what this means for the dual core models.

 

So if we have already preordered, could you give an estimate as to roughly when we might actually see the laptop at our doorstep? Is Clevo saying they will ship in mid Feb, which means Sager won't get them till late Feb, which means the resellers won't get them until late Feb/March, etc..

 

Word is that they are shipping from Clevo 2/11'ish so probably get here around V-Day and go from there.

 

Any word on actual battery life without Optimus enabled?

 

Why is it using the seperate intel graphics for low-power, rather than the built in SB graphics on the processor?

 

It is using the built in graphics on the processor. The integrated graphics on the processor goes by it's own name.

 

Well that stinks, another two weeks without a laptop

 

Im still split between 151 and 150hnq. I just realized that 150hnq isnt just a 151 with differnent guts. The chasis itself is different right.. 150hnq has no firewire, no hdmi out, no subwoofer, and max ram is lower?(writong from memory)

Are there anything other things that are different that im missing?

 

Correct, they are totally different models, with different video solutions, different number of memory slots etc.. However the Sager NP5160 does have HDMI out.

 

I am brand new here and have done considerable reading about the various Sager models. I have a pre-order pending for the NP5160 but due to the additional delay and time to ponder, I am considering upgrading to the NP8130. The upgrade with similar specs will cost approximately $278. I will be using the Sager for medium gaming, internet, office apps, movies, and will need occasional portability. I will be with power most of the time so not terribly concerned with the reduced battery life on the 8130. I have read both threads in the owners forums but still unsure on a couple topics:

HD Matte screen on the 8130 vs HD Glossy screen on the 5160 - are there other technical differences in the screen? Is one better than the other for daily use? I have never owned a Matte screen so not sure what to expect. Will colors seemed washed out and not be as vibrant on a Matte screen? I realize this is often a matter of opinion but trying to weed through the many opinions.

GTX460M on 8130 vs GT540M on 5160 - 460M is better video by far according to what I read but will not have Optimus technology and reduce battery life. Does Optimus cause problems with gaming? Is Optimus really a great benefit or still somewhat untested? I have read conflicting articles on this and not sure if it is worth the hassle due to still being newer technology.

Here are my two setups I am considering... Any advice is greatly appreciated. I am also going to post in the NP8130 thread in case owners of that laptop only review over there.

Sager NP5160 / Clevo W150HN PRE ORDER
15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM, 2.0-2.8GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache)
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
nVidia GT 540M 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR3 DX11 with Optimus™ Technology
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)- Special
6X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive-
500GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid (Serial-ATA II 300 - 32MB Cache)
Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
3 Year Labor 1 Year Parts, Lifetime Sager Toll Free Tech Support

Sager NP8130 / Clevo P151HM1
15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Matte Type Screen
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM, 2.0-2.8GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache)
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
nVidia GeForce GTX 460M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)-
Combo Dual Laye~ 6X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
500GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid (Serial-ATA II Internal
7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs

 

Most people seem to prefer the matte screen over the glossy just because of the glare. You get brighter colors from the glossy though. So it really depends. If you are really worried about battery life then go with the 5160. The 540 will play most games at high level. The really graphic intensive ones will probably do ok on low.

 

The "glossy" is brighter is a misnomer. The only reason most laptop glossy screens are brighter than most laptop matte screens is because of the quality (or lack-thereof) of the matte screens put into most laptops.

If you observe standard desktop monitor screens you will notice that the best quality ones with the best color, contrast and backlighting are actually matte finished not glossy. So really, the problem lies with the laptop manufacturers that choose either really bad matte screens, or just decide to "go with the flow" and stick with glossy.

 

What are some of these matte monitors you speak of?

 

We offer matte screens on all of our models (15.6" + 17.3") Thanks!

 

Sorry, I meant the matte desktop monitors?

 

I'm also new and I've really appreacited the input I've gotten from reading this forum. Now my incredibly stupid question. When I try to pre-order the Seger 5160 on XoticPC.com it offers me a "spare" AC adapter and battery for an additional fee. Does the laptop come with one of each of those already or are they separate and are an additional purchase?

 

They are included, you can order additional ones if you would like.

 

Anyone have any idea how exactly this sandy bridge chipset recall that was just announced is going to affect this?

 

Yea all shipments are halted until further information is received. Which includes this series of laptop also.

 

Oh that sucks. I just ordered a Sager NP5160 a week ago. So this is going to be delayed further? I thought it only affected the P67 chipset?

 

Nope, its all 6 Series chipsets.

 

It might only be the P67 according to engadget: Intel finds Sandy Bridge chipset design flaw, shipments stopped and recalls beginning -- Engadget

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what intel finally decides to recall...

 

Its all the 6 series, H(M)65 P(M)67 Q(M)67 thats from our intel rep and their internal documentation.

 

OK, your rep should know more than a CSR :yes: Thanks for the details.

 

@Roastedpork

All of these: CNET's best IPS and PVA monitors - CNET Reviews
This one: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4070/dell-u3011-review-dells-new-30-inch-flagship
also, this one: http://www.eizo.com/global/products/flexscan/sx2762w/index.html
and the Apple 30" Cinema display: http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-m...ILKWM/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_2?ie=UTF8&index=2

In fact, go to this link and check all the IPS panels:
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

Pretty much every large format IPS panel except for the 24" and 27" iMacs are matte finish. The 20.5" IPS dell monitor that I am typing this post on is also matte. So yeah, the majority of the best desktop screens made have matte finishes.

 

Perhaps this question has been answered, if you order the 51XX or 81XX with an optical drive, does is still come with the swappable HDD caddy? Or does that need to be ordered separately? I have that on my Sager 5320 and would hope to get it on a new laptop so I can run SSD/HDD combo.

 

Do you mean order it with the optical drive and no second HDD for the optical bay? That's what I did, and I had to email them (XoticPC) and add a caddy onto the order. IIRC it cost $40 + shipping.

 

Ordering the HDD caddy for the ODD Bay is an option for Sager models now, you will see it on the Customizer.

If you just want a caddy, you would have to buy that separately, but Sager does not offer it as a stand alone item. You would have to find another supplier for it...Google is your best friend for that. But, beware of the cheap ones...spend a few more dollars and get a good one...(hint... www.newmodeus.com)

 

Thanks, I saw the option for "no Optical drive" but I guess what I am looking for is an optical drive plus a caddy. Sounds like that should be a possibility, though.

Any guesses whether a caddy for NP5320 (which I already have) would fit the 5160? I think that one was a SATA connection.

This looks like the exact laptop for me as I definitely wanted switchable graphics. Now I guess I just have to wait for Intel to fix their debacle.

 

As long as it is SATA, and 12.7mm in height, they should work fine.

 

First post here, trying to look for a midrange gaming laptop. Does anyone know how the Sandy Bridge recall will affect the 5160? Will the release be delayed or will the resellers still send out laptops with the old chipset?

 

Anyone know if the February 20ish processor release will affect the graphics on this? I know it will be a tiny bump if anything, but I'm going to order an NP51** at some point in the next month or so, and I'd like to know if the 540m is going to become a 540.5m or something in two weeks.

If I recall correctly, the recall is only for the chipsets used in desktop motherboards, so the laptops should be entirely unaffected.

 

There won't be a new GPU refresh for a few months. Earliest would be summer and even that is a stretch. 540m = 540m in Feb, Mar, Apr, May, June, who knows how much longer.

 

No, all 6 series chipsets are affected - laptop and desktop. Check back in this thread the 8310 owner's thread and a couple in the Sager and Clevo area (one is a Sticky and the other is a long one about the Sandy Bridge issue).

 

Yea the dual-core i5/i7 sandy bridge processor release has been pushed to go along with the relaunching of the 6series chipsets. So we are waiting on a new date for that. There won't be a GPU bump on that platform in the near future.

 

Just thought I would post a link to the NP5170 since someone posted a link to this forum from there... Same exact thing, something like $45 dollars extra for a larger screen, and what I ordered January 22.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/548627-official-sager-np5170-clevo-w170hn-owners-lounge-3.html#post7129922

Shame to hear about these delays, but the latter (Sandy Bridge recall) is only for desktops?

 

No, every laptop with SB is affected by the issue.

Sad..

 

anyone know if this laptop will be cheaper with the i5 instead of the i7?

 

Yes yes it will, as the best dual-core is forcasted to be a bit cheaper than the 2630qm so yes yes it will be

 

hurray i might just wait for the dual core then. but i wonder by how much you think like $750 with shipping? (no fhd, or upgrades everything left alone) and when will this be? because i was gonna get the acer 4820tg but this looks really good and the price for that is $735 which is my budget, i hope it will be the samish price. when you think it will come out late march/early april?

 

It was supposed to drop 2/20, BUT because of the snafu they haven't set a new date yet. So yea late march early april is what we are currently working on. For pricing, yea you are looking at between a 15-125 cheaper price depending on what proc you pick. But that pricing is not set in stone obviously.

For some screen comparisons see this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-between-different-screen-options-photos.html

Note: The 5160 has the V.0 screen by default.

 

Hello,

I bought an HP DV6 not long ago with an i7 SB which of course is affected. Performance wise this thing is a beast but with the low screen res, horrible keyboard layout and stiff track pad buttons I'm just going to return it and get something different when intel gets the new chips out.

I've been reading about Sager laptops and the NP5160 looks like an unbeatble deal with 1080p screen around $1,000. The layout of the keyboard, port placement and over design is exactly what I'm looking for.

Can anyone tell me if there are any disadvantages to buying a Sager laptop over a major brand like HP or Dell? Seems like the lifetime techsupport is a major plus.

Thank you!

 

Is the V.1 the optional FHD 15.6" screen that most retailers are putting on this notebook?

 

Sorry the B156HW01 V.0 is the default FHD screen on this model. The default 1366x768 screen is either a Chimei or an AUO depending on which one they put in.

 

Is it possible or will it be possible to get the Sager NP5160 with an ATI video card? Looking at the specs it seems like the new ATI cards are better performers than the Nvidia cards that come in these machines.

Please let me know if I'm wrong on this or if there is a possibility that by the time they are selling laptops again it will be possible to order one with an ATI card in it.

Thanks

 

This is not possible because the 5160's graphics card is soldered onto the motherboard, therefore it is actually a part of the board itself (unlike the 8130 and 8150 which use MxM slots). Unless clevo decides to create entirely new motherboards just to change the graphics card, I would consider a different laptop if you are concerned about the gaming performance.

 

Dear all,

I'm thinking of either the Sager NP8130 or NP5160 for my next laptop and I seek your opinion on which laptop will fit my needs better. The purpose of this laptop is for work and moderate gaming. The computer gaming function is only for 1 year + as I'll switch the gaming to my desktop once I have assembled it (waiting for LGA2011 and the PCIe 3.0).

For the games, I will be playing Call of Duty Black Ops, Mass Effect 2, Medal of Honor (2010) and Dragonage I. So long as the games can run in medium-high details, I'll be happy.

The main concern that I have with the Sager NP5160 is the temperature control. There's 1 side exhaust vent which can potentially fry the surrounding ports and the front vents are strange....are the front vents exhaust or intake? If the front fan are exhaust type...then we will have hot air directed at us....not very comfortable?

Will I be better off with the NP8130??

 

Well Ivan according to notebookcheck the 5160 can handle those games at medium to high settings, but notebookcheck has been wrong before

I've heard that the side vents are a bad thing because of the excess heat on the ports but this laptop will have lower thermals overall than an 8130 because the graphics card isn't nearly as power hungry as a 460. What does this mean for longevity of those ports I personally do not know. I would check with some 5125 or 5135 owners and see if their ports are failing.

Is battery life an important concern for you? If so, I'd definitely go with the 5160 because its alot more efficient and also lighter weight. If this is not much of a concern, you may want to just spring for the 8130.

 

Thanks Bhima.

Yes, according to Notebook check...the laptop can play Call of Duty Black Ops on a high setting but I'm kind of skeptical especially when it uses GDDR3 and not the newer GDDR5 VRAM.

But will upgrading the CPU to a i7-2720QM or a i7-2830QM help to balance out a not so powerful GPU for gaming? I think the most important factor for me now is a smooth experience regardless of detail settings. I say this as I've tried to play Fallout: New Vegas on my 2010 MacBook Pro with Core i7-620M and a GT330M. The game lagged at times even on a low setting. So what I need most is a smooth gaming experience...I can accept lower detail settings.

Battery life is not a concern for me since I'm a graduate student in university with my own desk.

Thanks for the advice on the side exhaust + ports issue. I will read up on those models that you mentioned.