*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

Enough of the pics!
I'd like to enroll for beta testing

 

120 hz screens are good for games averaging better than 120fps with vsync turned on on average. 120 being the max, while you can run 60 70 75 and so on.
also helps with nvidia 3d gaming...unless it's a gimmick version or something.

 

Didn´t someone around already mention that any possible 120Hz is going to be only 720p? I even think that is all that is available currently (for laptops) (maybe also for desktops too). The 120 Hz screens are apparently aiming exactly to the 3D gaming, and since 1080p at 3D enormously taxes the gpu, there is not going to be anything like this anytime soon. Not my claim, I have read it somewhere here.

 

desktop is finally up to 1080p now.
i had the 120hz one but it was 1680x1050..which is a downgrade, so i took it back.

Newegg.com - Acer GD235HZbid Black/orange 23.6" 2ms Widescreen 1080p 120Hz 3D-Ready LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 80000:1

 

@Marin85 -- As reflected in his review, the 120Hz IPS screen in Aikimox's HP is 1920x1200, and he reports reasonably acceptable performance in Crysis and a variety of other games with a 840QM/FirePro M7820 (5870m cousin) setup. Lot of bad information on the Net.

 

Everything is true, except that CCC reports only 60Hz for the screen...

 

I haven't made any decisions until I see the pricing and reviews for this system. I'm tempted to switch over because I'm tired of crappy ATi drivers and Dell's unwillingness to fix their vbios. Although I do like playing with new toys too.

 

My thought exactly. That's why i'd rather get 460m SLI than 5870 dual. I know nvidia drivers are better, and i always had nvidia video cards in my desktop.
The question is now, how much performance 460m will have, compared to say, the 5870.
I know it will probably end up slower than 5870 (it can't end up faster, that's for sure), but the thing is, if nvidia is gonna price it like it does the 480m, it's gonna end up more expensive than 5870.

And the truth is it's a hard pill to swallow, paying more for the 460m and getting less performance from your money, just because it's nvidia.

Here are the specs of the 460m:
Geforce 460m
192 Cores
Graphics Clock 675
Processor Clock 1350 (i believe this is the shader clock)
Memory Clock 1250 Mhz (2500 mhz data rate)
675/1350/1250Mhz clocks
1.5Gb DDR5 on a 192bit bus

How do you guys think it's gonna compare to 5870 or the gtx 285m ?
It would be a nice idea to price it beneath the 5870 if its performance is beneath the 5870.
I sure hope nvidia is not INSANE to price it above the 5870, in case it's performance will be beneath the 5870 (and i'm pretty sure it will, but not sure-sure)

 

Does anybody know how the XTU clocking should work ?

 

I think they are BIOS options that allow for changing the multipliers, voltages, and maybe the RAM timings as long as an Extreme CPU is being used.

 

Its an app that only works if there is bios support, for Intel Extreme CPUs only - I thought resellers have it?

If all else fails - pm johnksss, I'm sure he might have a copy/

 

From the latest I have heard is that the demo's of the x7200 that have been sent out to some vendors have a "XTU bug" in them. Clevo is working on a fix in the bios for this bug now and that is the hold up for this system to be released to consumers at this time.

 

Does this mean some lucky sod up there have a X7200?!?

Wow!

 

So this XTU is basically an overclok soft ? I'm not gettin the x7200 for overclocking. The cheapest processor in the range, the 930, is faster still than the 940xm, so overcloking is a no go for me.
I always worked with stock everything. I wont buy the system to play "with it", but to use it to play games, or whatever it is i will do.

What's the point of the XTU if it doesn't work on non extrem CPUs ?
Not all of us all full of cash, you know...

Any ideas on the 460m performance based on the specs in the page before this one ? Notebook check specs if above the 285m. I hope the price will be similar.

 

Look at it this way - if the XTU works on everything, why would anyone pay more than the basic model? It's one of those unique treat for those burning cash for Intel extreme CPU.

Not sure about 460M - and it will be this way until reviews come up. From 480M I think we've seen enough, to know the correlation between the spec, and actual performance cannot be predicated so easily. Turns out 480M's not much faster than 5870 in non-tessellation games, for all you know 460M could be faster cos of high core frequency.

 

Actually, the performance of the 480M is in line with what we have expected based on current Fermi architecture, which was a 15% gain over the MR5870.

The 460M is a different story, my guess is that Nvidia will go 75W with this card, but in order to predict its performance more GF104 cards need be released. When the time comes I will try to do my calculations.

 

How will it scale compared to 5870? Desktop fermi scales extremely well, so I'm guessing even better margin compared to CF 5870.

 

If it's at the level of performance of the 5870 285, i'd be hapy to go with it, instead of paying 500 more euros for 15% performance gain, which is basicaly theft.

 

Obviously the name "460M" suggests that in terms of performance this card will be inferior to the current 480M but for their sake it should be at least at the same level as the MR5870. So I think that pretty much sets the lower and upper level of expected performance .

 

I was referring to mobile fermi in general, but I agree with what you say.

 

I thought GTX 460M was confirmed to be based on GF106. TDP should probably be something like 65W.

If you compare the GTX 480M with the GTX 460M you'll see that the GTX 460M features about 54% less shaders, but it clocked 63% faster. If the architecture would be very efficient, the GTX 460M would end up pretty fast, but we know that this is probably not the case, so performance should be under the MR HD 5870, maybe 20% slower than stock-clocked GTX 480M. The GTX 470M, if it exists, would probably be based on GF104 with more shaders and therefore outperform the MR HD 5870.

 

Where did you get that info ?
Yeah, the 460M is based on the GF106 but as far as I know there are no major architectural differences between the GF106 and the GF104 (unlike GF100 and GF104) besides a smaller die -> as in less shaders.

 

I was just guessing by looking at the numbers, but actually the GTX 460M should perform better than I stated... but comparing GF100 and GF104/106 might not be a good idea.

But I dunno, the GTX 460 is a great card, but it has 334 shaders, 57% more than the GTX 460M has, thats quite a number... 57% of the performance the GTX 460 offers is not that impressive.

 

That depends, for instance the GTX 460 has less shaders than the 470 but it still manages to perform very close to it and with less power consumption.

 

does anyone know if this will have any ability to be overclocked? bios options or software?

 

From my understanding it will, but atm they are having problems with the overclocking which is delaying this unit.

 

Hey guys,

I'm wanting to get the 980 Extreme chip for the X7200 when it becomes available(IF EVER).My question is: Is it cheaper\smarter to order it without the CPU and just buy the CPU from someone else like Tiger direct or whoever. Was thinking about doing this with the CPU and Hard drive any anything else I could save money on purchasing myself. If it matters I was going to be buying from XoticPc.

 

Not by much unless you manage to nab it in a sale at Fry's as has been discussed in the thread. Xotic sells those upgrades pretty near cost.

 

Sometimes GTX 460M has 54% of the shaders of GTX 480M...other times GTX 460M will only have 36% of the shaders of GTX 480M available.

 

The wait for mobile GF104 will be long and painful, but worth it.

 

Agreed.

10char

 

Any ETA for the X7200 yet? I thought it was supposed to be the beginning of this month? Someone I know on NBR wants my M17x as long as his gf clears it so that would free me up to grab a barebone X7200 with 480M SLi. Would be nice to finally be away from ATi's crap drivers.

 

ETA has been pushed back while Clevo solves problems with the XTU overclocking software. We're led to believe this is the main, but not the only bug. ETA is september at the earliest now.

 

Hmm well I don't really have any desire to OC the CPU since the 980 would be more than powerful at stock. If it's not hardware related I wish they'd just release it now and then patch it with a bios update.

 

I´ll get a Core i7 970 QS, enough already.

 

Why not wait till the end of September and get the i7 990x in this beast?...

 

I can also sell the 970 and then get a 990 QS instead if the price difference is not too much.

 

XTU isn't the only problem; it's the one we're being told about. Apparently there is quite a list.

 

Probably all lies, the laptop does not even exist

I wish this came out this month, moving for uni and will be without a gaming desktop/laptop. I am going to die of boredom (I live in Norway so we start uni in mid August )

 

Well that's just great. I hope it doesn't get pushed too far back. I'm itching to go back to an nVidia platform. Whatever you guys do, do not get the 5870 crossfire setup for the X7200 or even X8100. ATi's crossfire support is the worst.

 

If they have a GTX 460M based on the GF104 architecture and sell it at a good price with this machine, I'll take that over the GTX 480M in a heart beat seeing as they're probably not going to offer ATi cards with it. I just hope that the cost of a single 460M won't be as ridiculous as the 480M price/perf wise.

I thought that too after Catalyst 10.3. I started using RadeonPRO on my desktop/HTPC setup and Crossfire now works on all of the new games that I got and even my older games. Works better than Crossfire Xtension too, which was what I used on my ATi based notebooks.

 

Its such a shame that it will not come out this month. I think I would have to buy a desktop again.

 

It may just come out this month, clevo state 2010 08 on their site!! Look at bottom of page in link!!!!!! Yeeeeehaw... I hope

CLEVO - Products

 

Yes the time is getting closer. September hands on is the most likely...

 

I'd wait till some serious reviews are done and it's proven that the system is issues free before jumping on it.

Very tempting, I have to agree, but will wait till more info is available.
After all, we are spoiled by RGB LED screens and rock solid chassis.

 

Was everyone able to download the User Manual for the x7200 yet? Sometimes the Clevo site is not working. Here is another place to get it...

Clevo X7200 Manual.pdf

 

Do you have the service manual?

 

How long does it usually take (after release) for the prices to get down to where they should be. I don't want to buy in the first week and then have it drop a couple hundred a week later... P.s. names jo, nice to meet yall.

 

Nah, I don't expect any price reductions during the first 4-6 months.

 

disassembly of this beast is like a combination of D900F and M17X (M17X-R1 on my experience). also have some parts from D900F like the 2nd and 3rd HDD bracket or holder. almost the same i guess, just redesigned. and software oc only ( Intel XTU), but if this XTU allows the OC settings to be saved on BIOS then that's better than nothing. on my m17 i can save my OC settings on BIOS, but then x7200 uses a different kind of XTU. and i just noticed that the BIOS setup utility of X7200 and D900F is the same? well except that on main it'll show 2 VGA cards. but other than that its the same. just wondering if the XTU for X7200 can be used too on D900F. i wonder.

hope sellers post some pix of x7200 using Intel XTU. hope there's some voltage control just like the XTU for m17/ ocz whitebook / asus i think. cant wait for AUG 19 2010!