*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

I can't stop people making fun of me every time I say I want to buy this

 

Why? It's a pretty sweet "notebook." If I didn't have an M17x already I'd be the first to buy one of these.

 

I am confident Clevo could be a comparably solid notebook compared to the M17x for Alienware, they have in the past. I would also be fine with Flextronics offering a 17" desktop cpu monster hehe

As for the watercooling, it is nice and all, but only for small chips with small tdp's. The cooling on those is about comparable to air cooling since the surface area is so small for the radiator. The theory is good though.....you would still need a large notebook to make the cooling better due to water vs air though. And still a blower pushing air over a rad....the only advantage is you have replaced heatpipes with a pump and tubing

 

Absolutely, this just came out a summer to late

I would be ALL over this. Would have got a D901c if they were not already on the way out when I was in the market last summer

 

I will be the first to point and laugh, if you buy it with GTX 480M SLI.

 

@Joker&Scook,
I agree. If I wasn't so spoiled by a NBD warranty, RGB LED backlight and backlit KB - would jump on it. But going back to WLED alone gives me shivers.
Plus, you lose more than you gain and what you gain is only good for bragging rights as there's a very little need for more CPU (and GPU for that matter) power in most cases.


<<< Lol, the SLI+980X config with everything else stock is ~6k in Canada!

 

Guess you have not seen my desktop....my laptop is entirely about bragging rights lol

 

I wish you luck bringing this behemoth to Starbucks
Whatever you do - don't show em the PSU, someone will surely call the police and they might bring a robot to detonate it

 

you people have time to be sitting around starbucks????????
and playing games at that???
wth!

lmao
i was just at starbucks too...and was wondering to myself...what would they say if i broke out the g73. they all had acers and mackbooks and one netbook.
lol

 

I'll tell you a secret, - the most important business deals are made at coffee shops and restaurants
I still bring the M17X to some presentations, but my 8740w is replacing it now due to more "appropriate" style. Alas, not every businessman can see the humor and irony in my actions, some are very conservative (and have the money I need )

 

i dont think they are while your talking about "get that fool that took out my team" while playing metro2033... ...i dont see it..

and i would take the 8740w over the m17x to corporate business meetings, but if i was working at anything having to do with space and time...or that movie "stay alive" then i would cart the aw to work...
but since im me, i wouldnt care one way or the other. ill rock the m17x with lights flashing and all on wall street. and wouldn't bat an eye.

 

That's the spirit!

Back to the topic,
what are the known CON's of the behemoth so far?

* Some keyboard flex (from Justin's video)
* Huge PSU (matter of opinion, most wouldn't care)

Still waiting for some serious reviews with OC'ing and stability testing...

 

Besides the obvious lack of a RGBLED screen, I'd say the lack of a keyboard backlight is a bummer. Even if you don't like it, you can always turn it off. Another thing I don't like about it is the fact they couldn't make a full keyboard with a full separate numerical pad. That really upset me to be honest.

The plugged up HDMI-in port (on the Sager and many US based OEM models). As I've said, I'd rather they just not have it than make it "optional". If I recall, the X8100's HDMI-in port was "optional" too but everyone had it!

That's all I can really think of right now but there are prob many more "flaws" or "cons" to this notebook but it's still new yet so I bet many will be mentioned over the next few weeks.




There are a number of things the X7200 has that the M17x doesn't have (at least to my knowledge) and it's part of why this computer is so great. Besides the use of a desktop processor inside a notebook chassis, the M17x only has support for two HDDs, I don't think either of the M17x's HDDs are 9.5mm compatible, there's no USB 3.0 as of now, and I don't think it's nearly as user-upgradeable as any Clevo. I could be wrong on a few things but this is my recollection and understanding of the M17x and there are probably some other "flaws" or "cons" I just can't think of right now.

Sure it's an extremely potent notebook but it is a Dell and everyone knows how big brands, even non-computer brands, feel about people messing around with their products. If Alienware weren't bought out by Dell then I'd be much more willing to consider an Alienware. But Alienware computers are just Dell and it's become quite a sour taste in my mouth. I know some people with pre-Dell AWs and a few say AW went downhill once they were bought out by Dell. I feel like the same thing happened with IBM's personal computer division. Even though current Lenovo computers aren't terrible, they just aren't anywhere near the same quality as IBM notebooks.

This is all just my opinion though.

 

Plus's
Variation in desktop TDP's to get something in between full 130W extremes and the 55W mobiles.
470 SLI will be a nice amount of power - 485's could be too, have to see
It's all black and somewhat stylish, without so much over the top bling.
USB 3 x2. Perfect amount of slots to be forward thinking.
Didn't waste space on VGA port
Dual "separated" touch pad buttons, not the single bar thingy that is the M17x
SPDIF digital out = single cable connection to receiver


Minus's

No Displayport
Power brick could have been slimmed down - others have done it
No RGBLED at least TN panel
No 1920x1200 panel even as an option
Fingerprint thingy is not "optional" and have no use for the wimpy builtin webcam either
Keyboard could have been FAR better - more like HP 8740 or M6500 and been businesslike but still backlit and better functionality and spacing. It wouldn't have cost much to do it - thus represents a bad choice, imo.
Why would the sound have been compromised (Justin reporting it's "so so")
Why would Sager not list the Xeon processors as options at least to offer 80-95W variations in the design?
The inside looks like quite a task to take apart and upgrade.

 

You can't really have a choice of 1920x1200 screen, as it would entail changing of the whole aspect ratio of the laptop and it's going to be a redesign. Moreover, almost all consumer class notebooks are going 16:9, the left over 16:10 ratios are mostly old designs, I would bet the next alienware 17 inch will be 16:9 as well.

As for the power brick, I don't think anyone else ever slimmed one down before, since there's no other laptop using a 300W power brick yet

 

Well the power brick of the M17x is remarkably small for a 240W. The compact numpad is retarded and I have thought so ever since my OCZ whitebook

Shame they seem to think it is a good idea. The full numpad was actually a huce pro for the M17x for me.

As for Alienware, there support was more customer friendly towards upgrades and the like before dell but their support on EVERYTHING else is worlds better under dell now. And with very minor modification the M17x can accept one 12mm HDD

 

Hy,

got the first one *G*

here my Specs:

Barebone: X7200
CPU: I7 920 (stock thermal compound)
RAM: OCZ 2x 4gb @ 1333Mhz
GPU: GTX 480m (Liquid Ultra thermal compound)
HDD: 500Gb 7200rpm Segate SATA II
DVD: LGCT10 Bluray Read
WLAN: Intel 6300 450Mbit
BIOS: Phoenix


Got some problems and news.

News
1. Bios won't be open for OC, need help to OC my CPU or to get the right BIOS.

Problems:
1. Wlan only @72Mbit, should be on 450mbit
2. DVD Drive won't read driver disc
3. GTX480 Drive from reseller don't work, just installed one form laptopvideo2go
4. RAM only @ 1066mhz need help with OC

I am open for any questions. May I take some Pictures soon.

 

1. I think you can only overclock the I7-980x 4. I pretty sure the ram downclocks unless you use a I7 extreme edition Processor.BTW congrats on the new notebook

 

@ 4.

I have to OC the CPU to rise the QPI up to ~6,4 normaly than it should work.

@ 1.

Normaly the I7 920 can be OC even if it's no Extreme edition. look:

IGFD - i7 920 OC

 

Justin, Donald, or Charles:

Will NBR be receiving an X7200/NP7280 for review? I'd like to see an official review by Charles.

 

You can bet that NBR will have an Official review of the machine at some point...

 

Babyhemi I am not from english speaking country but you sound like Nicolas Cage to me This video has screwed up sound but the other one before... totally Nicolas Cage ... Dont you guys think?

 

From another post...

 

Can not really say that this is a surprise haha

This has been a hugely anticipated laptop

 

ya you are kind of right haha

 

YouTube - SagerNP7280 Clevox7200LPCDigital - 0:25-0:45 very very Nicolas

Here it starts... Hello all this is Babyhemi from the Sorcerer's Apprentice movie. You probably know me better as Nicolas Cage from movies like Kick- or Gone in Sixty Seconds. I occasionally show up at NBR clevo threads which is my most favorite hobby besides acting. If you buy X7200 behemot from me I will get you autograph or signed book as a bonus

 

Again, I want to really apologize to all concerned about the running out of the SLI 480M for this model. The massive instant orders for complete systems with it was not expected....

 

I wish I had his money...I think...

 

Helps being a Copola lol (he changed his name)

 

Wonder when they will have HDMI input also in this laptop

 

Its optional via internal PCIe and its been said.........

 

Hello x7200 owners lounge, I'm a first time poster, just brought the x7200 and thought I'd join up and get involved, glean some knowledge and see what I can do with the new beast. Like whether I can OC it? Will be looking to upgrade components when my budget allows, in it's current for it was over $5k in NZD, and the way I was wanting it was heading towards 7 or 8k, eek!

 

The X7200's CPU is overclockable via the Intel XTU software. You can overclock even without an Extreme Edition CPU.

 

Thx OC is all new to me, will have a play when the NP7280 arrives, just having a look at Overclocking i7 950 forum, so far they are all talking about desktops, will hunt out some forums re: i7 desknotes.

 

We have forwarded the feedback we have received on this option to Sager. Hopefully we can get them to add it to this machine soon.

 

Just to reflect back on someone mentioning water cooling in a laptop. Be aware that Intel is working (right now) on micro refridgeration technology for use in laptops of the future. The belief behind the research is that the heat from future processors will be concentrated in such a small location that only active refridgeration will be capable of removing it. That is a bit in the distant future, but in the meantime Intel believes it very possible to have DC compressors (micro sized) capable of working inside a notebook shell. Just food for thought.

As for the 16:9 16:10 issue, I can see the limitation, and hadn't thought it clearly. I have a U2711 and find that 16:9 isn't bad as long as the vertical resolution isn't less than 1200 (meaning I'm not giving up real estate). Then I don't mind it. What I don't like is giving up vertical real estate. However, it'll be a dog's age before we see 16:9 in higher resolution than 1080 in a laptop. I hope it will come, because then I won't mind having 16:9 in a laptop, but it will take a while. Until then it remains a weak point of the X7200 in my eyes. Life is full of compromises, so it doesn't rule things out, but I consider 16:9 a major thing to have to live with and not be happy with.

I'd love to see someone test one with one of the 80W Xeon chips just to see if the lower power and heat requirements return some portable life to this machine. Not looking for miracles, but wonder if one could manage 90 min or so. Chips are so pricey that probably won't happen, but I'm curious.

I'd also like to know a few more "under normal load" situations what the CPU temps are like. 3D06 maybe or just some regular game testing, something that stresses but in a normal kind of way, not in a Prime kind of way.

Have to say that this machine gives me pause for thought. I think it's funny that they ran out of 480M SLI configs. This might be proof of the pricing being related to limited quantities. Anyway, AW is making a big mistake in delaying the 4xx series. I think they have no idea how much pent up demand is sitting waiting for 4xx chips to come to market. And the first good machines to offer them, like this x7200 are likely to see large quantities of orders.

 

please tell me how, I got an I7 920 on my X7200 but my bios is locked and it seems that there will be no open bios will be released. My reseller told me, oc only for extreme edition ^^

 

My friend, the Oc is done while in windows with the software, tell your reseller this and ask them to get you the correct cd, and OC is for any CPU not just extreme, your reseller giving you bad info

 

I couldn't afford to load my x7200 with every component going, (I know they are offering this as a built in connection) but I would like to know how easy to make this run 3 monitors (laptop screen plus two externals). Is it worth me ringing them and getting the component added? Or can I do it easy through the DVI and HDMI or USB?

 

I wrote him an email right now^^ Is there an other possibility to recieve this software?

 

Look how far we have come in 5 years, my 5 yr old (current) laptop was $5999 when new, was the fastest most powerful laptop available I recall (Sony Vaio VGN-A39GP), I just did a wPrime test... read and laugh wPrime 32M = 97 Sec, wPrime 1024M = 3,250 Seconds, my new x7200 will do it in 8 and 243 seconds (54min vs 4minutes) and if I could have afforded the 980x it would do it in 4 and 156 seconds lol. I think I will probably enjoy this machine hehe.

 

@ Sgh77

the machine is really fine but not optimized at the moment. I think that my i7 920 slow down the 480m untill it's OC ^^

 

@Upper1, yes the YouTube clips of someone benchmarking a game on ultra setting with the x7200 were not that impressive.

 

Oh looks like you posted them on youtube, then again I've been out of gaming a a few years and I wouldn't know what ultra setting is. Is that test good or bad? they look unplayable and that frame rate.

 

framerate is cut down by the recording programm. In real is playable up 20 -25 fps in my eyes ^^

 

@Upper1 So are you liking the machine?

 

No Core i7 920 does not bottleneck your GPU. I would if you had SLi GTX 480M but this si not the case at all.

 

Hang around this site and I'm sure you will have it humming in no time!

 

Thanks good to know^^

But It's bottlenecking my RAM or do you know how I can switch from 1066 to 1333 without an BIOS option?

 

Just changed my order, now i7 980x 6gb 1333 ram, but now standard 500gb HD, standard thermal paste, DVD instead of blueray. How hard would it be to upgrade to a Blueray later? User upgradeable????