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The disgusting part of it all is applying the Boost / CPU power reducing model to the X170KM which unlike every other laptop/notebook out there has 560w at its disposal so keeping the GPU at 165w+ and even the CPU at 200w+ fits well within the power budget but since the GPU follows Nvidia's Dynamic Boost algorithm regardless of surrounding architecture, it is subject to the same framework limitations.

 

Some of it is working with the system Nvidia have in place.

 

It seems out of place in a chassis that has no problems dealing with a 10900K and a 2080(S) running at 200W.

it seems as though they either a) didn’t care enough to tweak it for this chassis, or b) Nvidia refused to allow them to change the implementation. I hope this does not reappear with the Alder Lake models.

 

That's assuming we even get Alder Lake (or Ryzen) models.

In the land of true DTRs, the selection from Clevo has gone from many down to 1 for the last two cycles. We've lost Dell and MSI for true DTR based laptops too along the way.

Everyone has moved to BGA models everywhere.

*Fingers Crossed*

 

Exactly.. i have discovered Clevo just because all the other company has moved to BGA model. Usually i was buying Asus and MSI.

Anyway i want to see if i can find a solution.

If i will disable the Nvidia controller and Framework in order to push CPU and GPU to top performance at same time and with MSI afterburner i will push the overclock in order to have 165w GPU power consumption unlocking the power limit, should it work?

It's actually not a true GPU overclock, because the GPU was built to consistently use 165w, but in order to cool down the PC, GPU and CPU has to share power.

EDIT: i tryed to increase the power limit with MSI afterburner but i can't. Any other idea?

 

When working with a power limit you want to adjust the clock curve down as much as possible to get the voltage down (Ctrl + F in MSI afterburner) to get the best results.

 

I don't want reduce the voltage. I want to boost my Nvidia 3080 at 165w permanent! without the dynamic boost which put down the clock of the CPU!

The clevo x170Km can handle more then 500w but with stupid dynamic boost if the GPU use 165w the CPU is castrated!!

I thought was possible to increase the power limit with MSI afterburner but the power limit and other option are frozen and i can't change them. Why?

 

Because Nvidia wont allow it.

 

It's unfortunate how this is the future, but you can always find ways to somewhat by bypass the restrictions. Undervolting and vbios modding has always been the go to in the past, but there are also hard mods people can do to their cards to trick them into believing they are pulling less power. It's slightly harder today, but not completely impossible

 

Yep, all has to follow the same paths down the road. Thin or thick doesn't matter anymore. All get the same power budget (same love). The only difference between BGA and LGA/MXM laptops now is swappable components. Isn't that correct bro @Mr. Fox ? 2x 280w power adapters is only as show up nowadays. Just use a single 330W psu as all of the higher end SKUs. Or just cap it at single 280W the new modern gaming BGA-BOOOK's use.

 

Yup. That's right.

 

Yeah well that sucks.

Tried my hands on a GE76 and the power delivery was all over the place when playing various games. Performance was great or good, but never really consistent.
Not even the thick boy Clevos escape it. The X170KM really is a weird beast. Not for me though.

Overall laptop sales don't seem to stop growing.

Makes me feel like the P870 was a bit of a swan song product.

 

Cooling does help lower power consumption and maintain clocks. Plus the TDP is higher at least somewhat.

 

Or the X170 Maybe the last of its kind.

 

Physical power modding carefully could help a fair bit. Got to be done carefully.

 

Buying a brand new performance laptop is a lot like buying a brand new high performance car that doesn't run well. It might run as intended because the manufacturer set their bar very low, but when it misfires and stutters, or will not to accelerate correctly, that should make you wonder why the hell you spent so much money on something nice that was broken. Sure you can spend time and money correcting the problem, but why would you even want to do that when you paid a ton of money for something brand new, rightfully expecting it to function like a brand new high performance automobile? Even if you enjoy special projects such as modding, that's really to make it superior compared to what everyone else purchased, not to make it function well stock. When you realize that everything available for purchase now is broken garbage, it is demoralizing.

 

I'd more see it like getting one that's detuned for emission regulations and you remap it for power.

 

They are very similar, but different to the extent emissions standards are mandated, unlike poor engineering decisions and manufacturing defects.

 

Not much can be remapped for power anymore in laptops. Each new gen will be more crippled. Maybe a socket Cpu make wonders in some tasks but paired with graphics it won’t be much better than a Jokebook with same TGP/TDP. There you have it. The future…. Looks dark for high performance laptops. But swappable parts is still better than everything welded on the MB.

 

Whenever manufacturers make excuses for the products they sell being garbage because it isn't a desktop, you know the end is near and there is not going to be much left that is worth trying to salvage.

 

In what way exactly?

Single GPU, castrated to 150W + weirdly behaviouring 15W boosts.
Dual power bricks for no REAL reason.

It's really only an upgrade and a choice if you're up for some very specific CPU demanding tasks.
For gaming, why pay double the price, carry double the weight, double the chargers and have double the hassle when a simpleton MSI GE76 can more than keep up.
It's not like you'll be able to upgrade it in the future...

Chassis is a nice upgrade, but not at current configs.

 

So much wasted power in the X170KM, but the advantages are still being able to pick what CPU you want from 10th and 11th gen including seeking out a binned chip and the GPU is upgradable assuming Clevo comes out with a new model and similar GPU form factor.
You also have single points of failure (MB, CPU, GPU) versus if one goes the entire system board must be replaced...but I get your point.

I'm using a Dell XPS 9710 and I really do like the smaller form factor (both laptop and power adapter) and the screen is the best I've ever used on a notebook, but I'll end up selling it and getting an X170KM-G from HIDevolution or trading it to someone who is tired of the X170KM-G bulk and wants to go in the opposite direction. The idea of not being able to get under the hood and exchange all the parts chaps my hide.

 

It is unfortunate that so many otherwise intelligent people just don't get it.

 

Is it possible to modify the base clock of the CPU i911900k??
The CPU clock goes from 3.5ghz up to 5ghz or more as we know and when the NVIDIA dynamic boost works, the GPU get +15w and the CPU come back to the base clock 3.5gz.


So is it no possible to set up the minimun CPU clock at for example 4,5ghz in order that Nvidia dynamic boost can't push down the clock?

 

@Meaker@Sager @Mr. Fox @Papusan @jc_denton Does anyone know where the SOIC BIOS chip is on the board? Might be strange me asking but there is a good reason to be asking.

 

Yep, its the main reason i went Clevo after my MSI Mainboard took a dump, It works out cheaper to replace a mainboard that doesn't have CPU or GPU integrated on the board, makes the whole system easier to maintain and repair too. I rather have to spend £310 to replace the mainboard then £700+ to replace one mainboard that has just the CPU attached to it.

But only a few enthusiasts take this path, but we still get punished with the rest of the junk from the Turdbooks and Ngreedia.

I just hope that Clevo stays with Socket DTR's and doesn't follow suite with the other OEMs.

 

It has been that way for a long time and it is unfortunate. I jumped to desktops at the end of 2017 because I was fed up with that nonsense, in great part because of this specifically. Things are far worse now than they were in 2017. It is tragic that this problem is becoming worse. It would be accurate to say that I really don't like laptops any more because of it. There is no way I would consider wasting a lot of money on a high end laptop. If I traveled extensively for work like I used to for many years I would probably not be drawing such a hard line in the sand on this. Because I work from home and do not travel a lot, having desktops is a better approach. More value, more performance and fewer headaches. I can use an inexpensive turdbook for a few days here and there when I do take a business trip. It doesn't need to be a good product as long as it functions.

 

Are you able to DM me @Mr. Fox trying to resolve the 4 Sticks of RAM issue and now the 2 Sticks of ram issue which causes system shutdowns and i need to as a few questions.

 

Sadly I honestly have a feeling there might be a video firmware upgrade coming to why they did it with 150w plus 15 boost when we know the system can hold 200w easily, so wondering when it will happen as I am hoping for a 200w 3080 or even a 180w or a unlocked vbios.....


But on another topic anyone know when a 3k screen for these will be around or a ideal model that might fit ..... lol.....

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I think it is near the chipset under the keyboard as previous models

Spoiler

 

I don't think that's possible because of the way the CPU and GPU are connected to power with nvidia dynamic boost.
Best chance is to wait for a more power capable 3080 super or something. Still it would have to make a massive jump from the laptop 3080 to bring performance remotely close to desktop rtx 30xx.


There's a nice 17.3 1440p 165hz panel going around, think it's part #NE173QHM-NY2
Had no luck finding a supplier in europe but kinda stopped looking.

 

Thanks @jc_denton I was hoping for it to be on the other side so I didn't need to strip the laptop fully out lol. See I do have the cough cough document (not allowed to share), but it was in block format so didn't help much. I also fired info to fox with questions too as I am wanting to fix the issue not just for me but for everyone that has the issue. After talking to PCS like I explained to fox in DM which I am trying to fully nail it to garb clevo bios or its something else.

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Put it the other way.... 99% of all modern gamingbooks can't cool 200w graphics and maxed out processors. One fit all (vBios) and the few that handle 200w graphics is not important anymore. Remember higher TDP will only increase the lifespan on your machine. No money in that. Be happy Nvidia still offer +150w. Could be worse. And the fantastic feature Dynamic boost 2.0 is a huge Joke. Maybe we will see the + boost will increase at the expense of the real graphics TDP. Would etc 125 + 40w be satisfactory in the future? At least you get the same maxed 165w as Today. Their goal has be to offer minimum Base clock frequency from the Cpu when the Gpu run at max boost. Less would be a failure... Wouldn't it?

 

Eh on the whole block diagram thing, don't worry too much

 

Lol, well she is stable again with just two sticks no more crashing for now. Wished the bios has more granularity control though.

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Does anyone know of a way to install Clevo's flexikey, led, fan control without clevo control center? Just doing a Clean OS install now planning on having CCC being the last software to be installed if needs most.


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I was able to to use this guide successfully a while back: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-cpu-oc-component-completely-x170sm-g.834715/

Hopefully still works with latest iterations of CCC.

Guide is for the SM-g but same procedures apply.

Edit: just realized this might not answer your question as it still installs CCC , you just get to pick which parts you want installed.

 

Its OK was going to use XTU over CCC for CPU performance profiles but still needed to LEDs and fan control mainly as well as hotkey. Will try to just install the UWP's and see what happens but first I need to get the last 18% of software installed so I can reimage the drive. Best of all no data loss as I really don't trust Microsoft will leave the OS alone without busting it.

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I discovered a very interesting thing today. It appears that Windows turning off my monitors causes the computer to reboot.

My setup is in my signature (only running 2 sticks right now - 64GB) in Entertainment mode with Windows 11. My setting were to turn off the screen after 10 minutes of inactivity. What has been strange for a while is that I would never get shutdowns when I was using the machine only overnight when I just lock the screen (I typically never turn it off). Today I realized that it was also rebooting when I would be away from my desk for a while. Change the inactivity timer to never and have not had a problem since. I will see what happens overnight.

 

I would advise reporting that to Microsoft since windows 11 is in beta.

 

Good point. I guess I was so focused on the harware issue that I forgot that this is most likely a Windows problem.

 

I'm going to start building Dtr's for the next gen Intels. It will weigh 50 pounds and have a hand truck option, also an extra 20 pound battery...

 

More of a luggable than a laptop

 

Just repasted mine with Kryonaut Extreme, waiting on idle temps but seeing 35c as the lowest @4.2ghz on performance mode and High performance power plan.

Bought it just to see if it was any good using on both GPU and CPU. Will let it idle for a bit and then reset hwinfo and start logging temps during bench runs.

If its good over time guess I found a new main paste.

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So, i'm back from vacation

New ram from reseller arrived and installed. Its 2x Patriot Signature Line 32GB 3200Mhz CL22

I put it in (under the backcover) and 5 mins later => bluescreen memory managment

We will see whats happens in the next hours...

Edit: next bluescreen... SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION

Here the HWinfo logs from both bluescreens. Maybe someone finde interessting values.

Edit 2: next bluescreen...

 

It's a great paste but I find laptops with it require quite regular repasting to keep the temps up to spec. Like minimum once a year.
Pump out is a big issue with many heatsinks and naked dies. Should behave better on the X170KM though.

 

Maybe download Who Crashed and see what error codes pop up and search on them on the web.

 

Thanks for the link. Found no dump files...

I reset the bios and not it runs for 2 hours without bsod. prime95 runs for nearly 30min and also 3x 10min CS:GO without crash.

Fingers crossed

And Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut is ordered.

 

The paste needs about 72 hours of heat (thermal expansion) to get its maximum & optimal performance.
Benchmark the temperature now & again in a few days, you'll almost certainty get better performance later.

 

That's weird for a paste designed for extreme benchmarkers to have a curing time. Where is that stated for them?