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This is exactly what I thought happened and why someone here was able to get a 11th gen delidded from HID and then my order got changed. I assumed that some were damaged and honestly who would want to loose any more money than necessary.

 

Who got a delidded 11th gen chips from HID? I doubt they have send out delidded 11th gen chips. Have you any links? Thanks

 

There was a lady named Celeste a few posts back who said she got one, all you need to do is look in this thread and you will find it.

 

Thanks. Still not confirmed if this Cpu is delidded ot not. @Ted@HIDevolution will probably confirm it. Even Spartan if he get the info from HID.

 

That would suck for her, since she especially paid for it. HID wouldn't charge a customer for something they didn't receive. They changed my order and removed the delidding charge since they didn't do it anymore. I either could downgrade to 10th gen to get delidded, or they would've removed the charge.

 

Or they forgot change it in the invoice Remember they still offer the 10 gen so it can happen https://www.hidevolution.com/laptop...-inch-gaming-laptops/l/intel-core-i9-10th-gen

 

I hope it's the former and she got the delidded, before they changed their policy.

 

That's what I ended up doing when @Ted@HIDevolution reached out, I got the 10th gen delidded.

 

There is the way of taking it out to find out too of course

 

Sounds like the 11th gen is doing alright in the KM. Did you grab a stock off the shelf 11900k or get a better rated one for better thermals? I was thinking of giving it a go with an 11th gen. Glad to get some valid feedback, thanks!

 

Don't forget that the heatsink was designed for a 200W gpu and the gpu in the KM is only 150W so there is more headroom for the cpu .

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say "alright" yet. The issues I'm running into with enabling overclocking features in the BIOS means I haven't had the chance to attempt undervolting yet. (Whenever overclocking is enabled in the BIOS, I get clock_watchdog BSOD, even before applying any voltage changes)

The CPU runs insanely hot. And there is a larger gap in when the fan curve applies than I normally see in these kinds of laptops. This means when I put a load on the cpu it immediately heats up to 95*C+ running at 200w+ due to boosting, and the fan doesn't even kick on to start cooling it down for like 5-10 seconds afterwards. By then it's already been thermal throttling itself for a while.

Once the 60 seconds of boost period go by and it drops back down to 125w max, then it starts cooling off, but clocks drop down to just above 4ghz on all cores. (Still an impressive amount of power)


The 11900k I got came straight from HIDEvolution. Invoice states that it's delidded, but recent posts here say that they don't offer delidded CPUs, so I might need to open it up and see if mine is actually delidded.

 

Just want to make sure we are giving correct information. They do offer delidded 10th gen CPUs, but as far as the 11th gen, they stopped offering delidding due to potential issues on them.

 

I would open a ticket with HID and ask them to take a look at it. That doesn't sound like it should be happening.

 

Looks like on my latest OS install, the thermal throttle is kicking in quicker once the temperature reaches over 90*C. It does seem odd to me, but so far everything has been occurring consistently, which makes me think that there's just a delay on the fan controls. I did notice that my bios version is from early 2020, not sure if that matches up with anyone else's X170KM.




Thermal throttle occurs only a few seconds into the load:





The fan still didn't kick in until we were at around the 25second mark.





Once we've ran past a minute and the boost period is over. We drop back down to ~4.0ghz on 125W and temperature settles.

 

BD-Prochot is put well below 100C as Intel's specs. You can change that in Option window. A lot untapped performance when Cpu start throttle 10C below Intel's specs. You can also undervolt in FIVR window. Start with -50mv negative Offset for Core and Cashe. Unlock Adjustable voltage box for both Core and Cashe for this to work. Just use Adaptiv voltage as the default settings. I mean TS should fully works for Rocket lake. Try it this way until you find out whats wrong with Bios settings (talk with HID support).

You have also the 3rd options from Coderbag. Quick Cpu.

 

Appreciate the recommendation. I may try giving that software a shot, though I'm more familiar with configuring in ThrottleStop.

I turned on the overclocking in the BIOS again to see if I can troubleshoot it some more. It's lasting long enough for me to at least get online and write out this post. Doesn't seem to crash until I'm mid way through a Cinebench run. This is before starting anything like Throttlestop/QuickCPU, so supposedly, there shouldn't be any changes to how the CPU runs. Unless the Overclocking setting in the BIOS itself changes how the CPU is ran.


Edit:
After playing around a bit more. I was able to keep a -100mv on both core/cache, and it did survive through ThrotteStops own 16 thread benchmark. Haven't seen any BSODs running typical applications, but Cinebench/TimeSpy will both still crash mid run. (They crash even on 0mv change)

 

From old off Clevo used XTU services in CC software (All OEMs use XTU in one or another way in their (OC) software nowadays). Do you see it run in task manager? If so, then try disable it in Services or use Autoruns.exe. Continue test out with TS. Not recommended run XTU services simultaneously with ThrottleStop. And run max fans with Fn+1

 

Yeah, after my first few OS installs on it, I just avoid CCC altogether. It just caused more pain than it helped. I'm going to try leaving the -100mv on for now and see if any games/tasks will make my system crash. Maybe it's something just specifically with the benchmarks I'm using that doesn't agree with the system.

 

What games do you play

 

Right now I've been diving back into Monster Hunter World. It was the main game I played that my previous P775TM didn't quite have the power to run at max settings. Other games are FFXIV, Elite Dangerous, Tomb Raider not too much else that's really GPU taxing. The P775TM ended up replacing an even older system as a capture system. I was hoping to make a hop over to AMD this generation, but I still needed thunderbolt for my capture card.

After my last post, FFXIV was running fine at -80mv core/cache, but once I started up Monster Hunter I started running into the same clock_watchdog BSODs. again. Kept lowering the undervolt until I hit under -50, but then the the same errors were still occurring even after I stopped starting up Throttlestop altogether. Went back and disabled overclocking in the BIOS then everything started working again, including any benchmarks I threw at it.

I'll probably dive back into tuning next weekend. See if I can pull the cmos battery and do a full reset to see if that helps the random BSODs. One thing I noticed when I was running Cinebench without undervolting, but with overclocking enabled in the BIOS, was that the clock_watchdog error only happened whenever a render completed, before it started up the next scene.



Edit, late night ramblings:

I was looking into some articles about CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMOUT BSODS, noted a few of them were mentioned avoiding them by disabling changing of C states. (Not preferred, but might be a way to try to isolate the issue) I'm starting to notice that most if not all of the time I was hitting a BSOD was when a benchmark was between stages/iterations.

For TimeSpy, I crashed between the 1st/2nd graphic tests, or between the 2nd graphics test and the CPU test. For Cinebench, it was crashing after completing a scene before starting up the next scene. This could also explain when I'm doing a consistent load benchmark like in ThrottleStop or CPU-Z, it wouldn't crash as it would never drop from the C0 state.

 

I have the same BIOS.

 

Seems odd,what are your temperatures

 

The VRM is under the most stress when going from full load to no load so there is that element too.

 

how do you fix that

 

Be sure the thermal pads is in good shape and in correct thickness.

 

Hello everyone,

So, I'm used to normal notebooks, and after finding out about this beast, I'm extremely intrigued. Do any US sellers other than HIDEvolution offer the Prema BIOS?

I'm not a power gamer by any means so I'm not even sure if not getting the Prema BIOS is a deal breaker or not?

Also, I'd be interested in opinions of if the RTX 3070 is THAT much better of an option than the RTX 3060 for "futureproofing". Honestly, my main interest in this laptop is something that won't crap out on me in 2-3 years.

 

Can I get a screenshot of what the bios looks like

 

What games do you play

 

I would suggest you get the 3070

 

@gnomeworks : Prema BIOS partners in the U.S. include HID, LPC-Digital, and zTechPC. I'm not sure if there are others. However, the BIOS is still unavailable. This means should you choose to buy from a partner, the BIOS will be flashed remotely onto your DTR.

There are many sellers offering this model without the Prema BIOS. You can search on YouTube for a gaming performance preference.

I'd go with the 3070, as it's the middle ground. If money is not an issue, max it out.

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Battletech by HBS, Mechwarrior 5, some real time strategy games (D&D titles mostly). Also, I'll be using it for working from home, watching videos, day to day stuff. This will be my only computer.

 

Yeah I would max it out as much as you can

 

Thank you

 

Also don't run it pushed to the limit every day, have a reasonable 24/7 setting.

 

So I'm ready to pull the trigger on this bad boy. I built the exact same system on through both lpc-digital and gentechpc.

lpc-digital it would cost $2,919.00. They are a Prema partner, so I could eventually get the Prema BIOS when it's ready.

gentechpc it would cost $2,874.04 It's cheaper right out of the gate, and includes free "Fujipoly Ultra Extreme Thermal Pads on necessary area for optimal cooling performance", but I would be not able to get the Prema BIOS.

Is it worth paying the extra cost to eventually get the Prema BIOS? Also considering it doesn't come with the free thermal pad upgrade?

 

Can you share the configuration?

Regarding the Prema BIOS, there are two schools of thought. One refers to the BIOS as the critical component that can't be ignored, and that any Clevo laptop/DTR without it can't perform to its potential, or as it's supposed to. I believe @Papusan, and Mr.Fox (I don't remember the exactly nickname) are among the biggest supporters of this school, besides @Prema himself/herself.

The other school considers Prema the cherry on top, allowing enthusiasts to unlock (pun intended) the true potential of Clevo laptops/DTRs, but not a necessity. The evidence for this school would be the YouTube video testing games on a Clevo barebone with an i9 and a 3080. The video shows the numbers are decent, in my opinion, without Prema BIOS.

Regarding stocks, I believe Gentech has it in stock, while LPC may have back-order on the panels. As mentioned, there are many vendors offering this model without the Prema BIOS. However, I think Gentech offers the lowest price.

This is undoubtedly my observation alone. Please chime in should I miss, or mistaken anything!

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Item Name: Sager NP9672M-G0 (CLEVO X170KM-G) nVidia RTX 3070 Intel 10th Gen i910850K Desktop CPU
Item Price: $2,874.04
Options:

• 2021 New Year Sale 1::Free IC Diamond on CPU/GPU ($35 value, this promotion overrides standard options) +$.01

• 2021 New Year Sale 2::Free 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty ($35 value, this promotion overrides standard options) +$.01

• 2021 New Year Sale 4::Fujipoly Ultra Extreme Thermal Pads on necessary area for optimal cooling performance +$.01

• Screen:17.3" 1920x1080 LED Matte-Type, @144Hz anti-glare non-reflection, 72% NTSC, G-Sync

• Graphics Controller: nVidia GeForce RTX3070 8GB GDDR6 Max-P +$345

• CPU Comet Lake 10th Gen:10th Gen Intel Core i9-10850K Desktop CPU , 3.6GHz~5.2GHz, 20MB 10 Cores 20 threads, 8 GT/s 14nm 95w

• RAM Sager -16GB 3200MHz Standard:32GB DDR4 3200MHz/PC4 25600 (16G X 2) Dual-Channel +$130

• PCIe SSD Slot 1 - Sager Special:500GB PCIe NVMe SSD 4 lanes

• OS Drive Installation Option: OS Installation on PCIe SSD slot

• Ethernet Controller: Gigabit Ethernet Controller RJ45

• WiFi / Bluetooth:Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 + Bluetooth 5.2

• Fingerprint Reader: Integrated Fingerprint Reader

• Battery Sager:One BAT-9778, NP9778 Internal Smart Li-ION Battery Pack (8 Cell, 82Wh) Included

• AC Adapter:560W AC Adapter included (280W x2, Dual Adapter)

• Power Cord:US Power Cord

• Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 bit Factory Pre-installed, no installation media +$80

• OS Clean Installation Option:Keep factory OS installation

• Warranty:Life-time GenTech PC Labor Warranty / 1 Year Parts Warranty, Lifetime Toll-Free Technical Support

 

Nice specs! When customizing it, I went for the Conductonaut (I honestly don't know if it's the best), 1TB 970Evo, and Windows 10 Pro with USB.

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It really depends on whether you enjoy tuning your system or not. If you're not a tinkerer like me, Papusan, Mr. Fox, or others on this forum, then it's not worth the extra cost as you wouldn't be taking advantage of the features it provides. However if you are a tinkerer, you can use it to extract every last drop of performance from the system, in which case it's worth the extra cost.

If you just want to run everything stock, save your money. This laptop is still REALLY good even at stock settings.

 

I went with IC Diamond because it's supposed to be the longest lasting thermal. Most of them last 2 years, this stuff allegedly lasts 4+ years.

 

Does anyone have a PCIe Gen4 SSD in the right slot and additional drives in the others? If so, has it been stable for you?

When I got mine all my drives were in the left three slots and I opened things up and moved the Gen4 one over to get the expected performance. Once in there though I started getting random BSODs (WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR and DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE) pointing at pcie/GenuineIntel.sys in addition to hard crashes without a BSOD or a dump file.

Apparently, in the service manual, it says that only "one" pcie4 drive is supported but the manual it ships with indicates otherwise. Huge bummer if it really does only support one or the other

Service Manual


User Manual

 

Nice! I'll keep it in mind. Thanks!

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Where do I get the service manual

 

I have the same question. I'm only able to find the previous gen service manual online.

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Exactly it would be nice to know

 

The Gen 4 drive you moved, was it your C drive?

 

Yeah. Only one ssd can run PCIe 4.0 speed. Posted here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2m-owners-lounge.835639/page-34#post-11091523

User Manual X170KM