*** Official Clevo W230ST/Sager NP7330 Owner's Lounge ***

No machine is same. That's all I am going to say.

 

Thanks Derek. I have a feeling that the GPU is making the CPU temps hot that's why I thought about it.

Also, I tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia website but it does not detect my GPU as a compatible GPU.

Is there somebody here that has the same problem?

 

when undervolting the cpu do you just undervolt "dynamic cpu voltage offset" or do you also undervolt "processor cache voltage offset"?

also does undervolting the graphics voltage offset make a difference on idle temps?

 

Is the laptop propped up an inch or so in the back?

 

Just wondering, has anyone tried a 3G or 4G SIM card with this laptop yet?

 

It's on a cooling pad. I'll report back after I repaste, to see if it helped at all.

 

Correct. I got the Beta 326.80 drivers installed and working on my laptop straight DL from Nvidia's site.

 

Hmm, I have tried to change the power plan in windows 8 multiple times by now. But it seems to keep resetting on reboots or wherever, so the settings never stick. So ultimately I cannot make screen brightness settings, never turn off the harddisk (it's an ssd so doesn't make sense) stick. Which is kind of annoying. Is it perhaps the clevo control panel that resets to it's defaults? Because I have noticed the screen brightness changes never sticks in that panel.
Is there a trick to change these defaults?

 

Yeah, with modern thermal throtting or emergency shutdown, CPUs pretty much make sure that they last at least through the warranty period and more often than not, longer than your HDD or the CPU fan itself. Though Server CPUs running at 100°C constantly are definitely exceeding their Tcase max and I would question their cooling. Cause while server rooms might be hot, they make sure the hardware stays at optimal levels.

I'm actually fairly happy with the cooling solution of this laptop. It's a bit heftier than those ultrabooks, but ultrabooks cannot handle any gaming without extreme throttling and/or very annoying fan noise. Once the fan profile is smoothed out with a new BIOS this notebook his a winner in terms of noise and temps.

 

To the guy that said server CPUs run at 90C+, I don't mean to go off on another subject here but a server CPU should never see 90c and usually never does in ideal conditions, in fact most xeon CPU's have a much lower thermal rating than laptop CPUs have. All my servers idle around 35-40c and under load never see above 60c (prime95 load). Now, this doesn't mean they can't operate at 90c but they are not supposed to. Emergency shutdown doesn't happen instantly and usually is not the first thing a motherboard does. The motherboard throttles the CPU and if that doesn't bring down the temp enough or at all it may take further action such as shutting down the system. Usually throttling a CPU is enough to negate a thermal shutdown if there is some sort of heat sink attached. Even if the fan failed.

 

Look what I found in this months issue of Popular Science

 

I'm running 8.1 RTM without any issue (well except airplane mode, which I may give another shot if someone can convince me it's actually a useful function)

A few critics on the fly :

• backlight bleed visible on deep blacks
• not bright enough to use outside
• not matte but anti reflective coating, so you can still see reflections
• brightness changes according to content (white content makes it brighter, so you see other color's teints change while you scroll the screen.... awkward and annoying)
• just a note: level 0 & level 1 brightness is the same
• control center still won't take focus when opened
• sound is not well equalized, and I can't hear much of a difference using SB cinema (made me remember of SRS, I'll try to get my hands down on that again, SRS was great !)
• connectors are misplaced
• cover loves finger traces. Also the touchpad easily becomes greasy (not sure of my orthography here)

 

My order placed at XMG UK has been shipped today, the wait is almost over!

 

Open Clevo Control Center, click User Defined.

 

All those noted, but I had no issues using it outside with near full brightness, and haven't noticed any change in screen brightness on its own. What do you mean connectors are misplaced?

Perhaps you have a different screen?

 

The brightness changing could be the built in Windows setting for Adaptive Brightness. You can change that in Power options under the advanced settings.

 

Yeah that reminds me, the airplane mode thing is broken on windows 8.1

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Nop, Chi Mei !
Well I can't use it when it's sunny.
In the shadow outside, it's ok as long as I'm not looking at a dark scene..

I meant that connectors are on the front, whereas they'd be less intrusive at the back !

 

Same here, pretty stoked!

 

Congrats to you both!

 

Which version of Windows are you running?

 

Pritch when did you order with XMG uk, i ordered from them also should have had it by now but while testing the ram was faulty now its probably going through testing again, so should have mine in acouple of days, cant wait

 

Got my W230ST a few days ago. With everything stock I got temperatures reaching 95 degrees during stress testing, and normal web browsing caused the fan to burst every now and then. Idle temps was reaching 70 degrees. Undervolted -70mv and adjusted multipliers to 36/34/30/30, and got idle temp at 65 and stress temp at 91. Then I repasted with Noctua NT-H1. When I turned the computer back on, I thought I had broken something. The fan didn't spin at all. I started XTU to read the temperature, and was surprised to read 48 degrees on the CPU. After a minute it had rised to 51 degrees and the fan started to spin at its lowest and inaudible speed. Under Prime95 it maxed at 81 degrees. This means 10-15 degrees reduction just by repasting. I also specified to use the GTX765 all the time as it runs quite cool and makes the CPU cooler as well. Now I can surf the web with the computer on my lap completely silent in high performance mode. This is one truly amazing computer, but needs a little tweaking to perform at its best. Here's my pastejob, maybe a little too much paste, but the results were overwhelming.

 

I played around with the other voltages too, but they seemed to just make the system less stable without a payoff in lower temps.

 

The cache wont be the primary power consumer is why

 

I've fiddled around some more with the multipliers and undervolting the dynamic CPU voltage and I always used AIDA64's ( Downloads | AIDA64) benchmark tests (only those to save time) in a report to check for stability.
I also had multiple apps (Chrome ~10tabs, IE, Excel, Word, Powerpoint, Outlook, Skype, Steam, Explorer) in the background while testing, since I always have many programs running, even when gaming. Usually AIDA64 made my laptop fail as soon as it reached the CPU ZLib test.
I ended up not undervolting my 4700MQ at all and only dropping the multiplier for 4 cores to x31 to keep the CPU a little cooler when all 4 cores are fully utilized. I barely reach 80°C under stress testing and around mid 70s during gaming.
I think changing the voltage and multipliers is really just tinkering with a system that is fine the way it is. In games the limiting factor is the GPU and for surfing and other productive tasks any overclocking doesn't make a noticeable difference in performance. My temps are fine as well, so stability really has top priority.

All in all, I could not be happier with the laptop and will probably not buy a desktop as originally planned, cause this one has all the computing power I need =)

 

I updated nvidia driver to the latest beta driver.

Selected nvidia processor as preferred graphics and physx processor through nvidia control panel>3d settings

Ran furmark( settings are 720p, fullscreen) for more than 10min.

CPU temperature did not go more than 85c and GPU temperature not more than 70c. I'm not using any notebook cooler.

I still need to play some games to see if that's really the case. My ambient room temperature is around 72-75 Fahrenheit.

So far I'm happy with these results because before I was hitting 90-98c.

 

I stopped using Furmark for stress-testing of the GPU. Mainly cause it goes way beyond any real world application your GPU might be subjected to and can potentially damage it as a result. Would rather use game benchmarks and/or Futuremark to test realistic temps and load scenarios. You can read a little about it here: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...her-stress-tests-with-geforce-graphics-cards/ also mentions problems with Linpack, which people are running way too long on their CPU and which can also damage the part it is 'testing'.

 

Thanks for this information. I'll put it out of my list.

 

Wow so after reading through a lot of this it seems that the stock paste really is junk :-/ so does repasting void your warranty? I've worked on my own laptops in the past and repasted an older one not too long ago but they were all out of warranty by the.

 

I put my order in on the 26th of august

 

I'm sure Sager is allowing us to repaste and not void the warranty.

 

That is right, Sager doesnt void any warranty for doing that. Just be careful if you do as any damage caused is not covered.
If its not a Sager but is another Clevo reseller you'll want to check with them for their policies.

 

Hi Everyone,

I got my W230st for a few days now and pretty happy with it so far. I have the 4702 CPU version so it got me a lot of juice on the battery and most of all a pretty quiet laptop, when I do basic task like skype or web browsing or downloading at the same time, I basically hear nothing, the fan might run but very slight. So far, there is two big things to concern and I'm not sure to what degree, might be it is tolerable:
1st: Weird noise near the fan area:
When I first boot up the computer from cold boot, I hear some sort of mimic between squeaky sounds and static come from where the fan is, usually when the fan at low RPM after booting up. I thought it was the fan that hit something inside so I opened up the service bottom panel but I didn't see anything strange about fan, try to spin it and it spin so smooth. This sounds happen might be for 10-20 seconds max and then it disappear and not come back again while using the system. I got this sounds before too in most laptop I own, i heard from some before that it is either CPU or motherboard and all motherboard is like that with different degree.

Edit: I found it, that noise come from where the speaker is, especially the one on the left near the fan. It only make noise upon booting up

2nd: My system boot up super fast but take long time ~15 sec to go to sleep mode or shut down, perhaps it is trying to turn off something. Also the window update of w230st seem to work all the time and best if you install the update while window is on, if you do that when it shutting down, it could fail for some reasons

 

Congrats! Mine just shipped, should be here soon, can't wait!

So what kind of battery life are you getting with the 4702? I have the same CPU, so I'm hopeful...

Wouldn't worry too much about the other two issues, the first one is pretty common, the second one is probably some windows related issue, may be someone else will be able to point you to the right direction. Enjoy your new toy!

 

Hi Rockin_Zombie,

Thanks for your word, I think it is pretty minor to worry too. For the battery of the 4702, I have everything pretty much on high brightness with wireless, web surfing and skyping and I got like more than 3 hours and half. Therefore I'm sure if you only do word document or web browsing, I think you can manage an extra of hour or two might be. I can check more today with light works but I'm pretty sure this 4702 is good. The fan sometime blast out of no where but it last only for maximum of 10 second and then stop for awhile. Trust me, I skype with my parents from Vietnam for 2 hours straight and the fan might turn to blast like one or two

Cheers

Tuan

 

How do you guys have the 4702?? I don't see any option for that anywhere.

 

I ordered mine from Hidevolution on monday.. still processing. They have the option for this CPU.

Apparently if you call XoticPC they will also install this for you.

I went for this CPU as well, it seems like a much better option. Performance is almost identical but the power / heat is reduced quite a bit.

 

Does this device use a normal desktop CPU? Or is it a special CPU? The reason I am asking is because I\d like to know if you'd be able to replace it for an upgrade/downgrade in the future? I went with i7-4900MQ and if I have problems with heat, I might want to downgrade (or undervolt). So just out of curiosity, could you replace the CPU and is it the same as the desktop versions?

 

Completely different pinout on the cpu then a desktop cpu, so no, you can't use a desktop cpu in this laptop. Only laptop cpus

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Mhm, that makes sense I guess. Someone said it was a desktop CPU so I just had to ask.

 

Just the NP9570 uses a desktop CPU, all others are mobile.

 

I see. Is the CPU soldered to the motherboard? Or could you in theory swap the CPU yourself if you got a hold of a laptop cpu?

 

It is user upgradable, besides the 4700MQ it also supports the 4800MQ and 4900MQ.

 

.. and others as well, like the new dual cores, or 4702mq.
any haswell cpu actually.
I'll gladly sell my 4700mq if you need it, pm me

 

I have also that issue. I've reinstalled the chipset driver and now its ok again - but then i realized that my external usb-data-drive (ext. power supply) doesn't work - the only response was after installing the usb-drivers - something like "could not open device..." - since that message --> nothing
USB flash drive works, my external usb mouse works, cooling pad,...
actually i've installed the usb-driver, lan and wlan driver, intel 4600, nvidia 326.80 beta.

Did someone also have / had that issue?

Thx Quas

 

Look back a few pages and someone has an example of where they put thermal paste on the CPU and GPU.

*My mistake, it is not soldered*

 

I don't think the CPU is soldered, just the GPU.

Anyways, got my machine! Details on my tweaks coming soon, but first an embarrassing problem, I stripped one of the screws that hold the back cover, I can open the back, but obviously can't tighten that screw anymore. Where I can get these screws? Not sure what to search on ebay, I'd rather get a few of them, looks like they get stripped very easily.

 

Nope. There is definitely a socket. I've opened mine up and can vouch for that.

 

Selfquote: My USB Problem is an only USB 3.0 Problem - my ext data drive won't work at the USB 3.0 ports
I still found no driver to install "sm-bus-controller" --> PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_8C22 - every driver i use (win7 ultimate) results in the blinking screen.

Windows 7 USB 3.0 Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT 2.5.0.19 02-Aug-13 5081 KB
Windows 7 USB 3.0 Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT 2.5.0.19 14-Aug-13 5082 KB

These both drivers won't let work USB 3.0 on my system