*** Official Clevo W230SS/Sager NP7338 Owner's Lounge ***

I am displeased with my new NP7388 screen. It seems to cause extreme eye strain.

Note: I am very sensitive to computer screens and monitors. I could never stand to use a 60hz CRT, for example.

I am not entirely sure what about the screen is causing the problem. The viewing angles are good, so that isn't it.

The problem is especially apparent if I look at large white areas, even if I set the brightness very low. It is as if my eyes can't focus on them. I see 'eye residuals', as if I've just rubbed my eyes vigorously. A similar effect occurs on laptops with poor viewing angles. The only other obvious anomaly I can detect is that reds and yellows are extremely pronounced.

I've already played with all of the settings in the Windows 8 'Color Calibration' program, and I have tried various settings in the Intel Video control panel. (Gamma, Saturation, etc). Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm beginning to worry that I just can't deal with IPS screens.

 

About 4300 in fire strike with some overclocking.

 

where would I notice this jump- encoing video? when runnin lots of apps?

 

Hi guys,

I bought this laptop (under a rebrand named Monster HUMA H3) one month ago and I must admit: it's pretty awesome! Unfortunately I've encountered a couple of (personally I consider them BIG) problems:

- The surface of the chassis above the HDD (doesn't happen if you only have an mSSD installed) gets uncomfortably warm when the temperature of the HDD reaches 45-50 degrees (Celsius). Maybe it is just the increasing temperature of the environment that, well, "helps" the process (here we are in the middle of summer after all) but I would like to know if you also had the same problem. Do you think I should talk to the assistance?

- The audio card (VIA 1802p) has a weird problem on Linux. Basically after suspend/resume the headphones jack stops working. Everything else does but that. Same thing happens on Windows if you don't install the CLEVO Hotkey utility but at least everything is fine if you...Well...Install the utility! I was wondering if any of you managed to fix this. There is also a bug report open so I would be grateful if you could contribute: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75151 .

Thank you in advance. If I don't manage to fix these two things within a week I'm going to buy a freaking overpriced (but "works out of the box") Macbook out of desperation!

 

It can get warm there as the hdd is close to the palm rest.

Not sure on the Linux issue, sorry.

 

The reason for the big jump is related to overclocking, for that measly price increase, the 4810MQ is capable of an additional +400mhz of speed in addition to it's already hefty baseclock increase + aggressive turboboost bins. You're looking at a potential 4Ghz CPU.

 

Except realistically you'll get 3.6GHz max on four cores due to temperature if you're lucky. For the small form factor laptops like the W230SS, I think the i7-4700/4710MQ is all that's needed unless you need the extra features that the i7-4810MQ offers, which is a very small number of users.

 

Just got my first dead subpixel, red, always on.

 

My 4810MQ maxes at 3.19ghz with a 4 core load due to temps....and that's with an undervolt. Stock voltage usually caps it at 2.99ghz on 4 cores. I can run up to 4.0 ghz with stock voltage on one core, 4.0ghz on 2 cores with an overvolt, but it won't hold it with 3 or more cores active.

 

Hm..... My 4710mq runs at constant 3,3GHz with all 4 Cores and -83,9mV UV. Did not UV iGPU/Cache. But it never ramps up to max overclock setting 3,7GHz. I tried to fix this with throttlestop. But it seems locked to 3,3 and 3,4 (two cores) 3,5 (single core)

 

I can only run -60mv max undervolt for a stable run. If I go down to -80mv I can run at 3.29ghz but it's not 100% stable. If I go all the way to -95mv AND actually manually run the multiplier down to x34 it will run at 3.39ghz but if I leave the multiple at stock settings which is 3.6ghz at 4 core it runs at 3.29ghz. But anything under the -60mv my computer will crash after 20-30 minutes.

 

Mine is rockstable @ -83,9 but everything more (84,x) results in crashes after about 1h of gaming
Every CPU has other optimal settings (sweet spot). Think its normal. All i heard is that -50mV worked in most cases.

 

I'm having a weird problem with the sound on my w230ss. I've looked through the forum but haven't found any similar problem.

When I plug any earphone/headphone into the audio jack and play music, I can't hear any vocals and the music almost sounds very distant. When I plug speakers into the audio jack, the sound is normal. I've uninstalled and then reinstalled the audio drivers with no luck. Any one else having this kind of issue, or know any fix?

 

The audio jack has been a source of head aches for many people with this laptop, including me. But it's usually, you have sound or you don't have sound, and it's a software/driver problem vs actual faulty hardware. If you can plug another set of speakers and it sounds normal but your headphones don't, I would say the issue is with your headphones not the audio jack. The audio driver hardware might not be optimal for what your headphones need for driving power or there may be a compatibility problem with the ohm rating of the headphones and what the hardware in the computer can tolerate. Try a different pair to see if you have the same problem.

 

I tried your advice and used 2 earphones and I still get the same problem, but the sound is still normal when I plug in speakers (I also tried two different speakers). The weird thing is that both earphones were working fine with the laptop up until today. I did try another thing that a user posted earlier in the forum about uninstalling and reinstalling the audio driver/sb cinema/clevo control center, with no luck. I don't think it's a hardware problem since speakers work fine with the audio jack but headphones don't.

 

After hours of troubleshooting I finally fixed it. Following jinsirius's method, I uninstalled all the sound drivers (via hd audio driver/sb cinema/hotkey). Instead of restarting the computer right away, I performed a complete shut down using shutdown -s -t 0 in the command prompt. Then, I installed the audio driver first, followed by sb cinema and finally hotkey, peforming a complete shutdown after each installation. All my earphones sound normal again. I don't know what caused it but at least this method worked. Thanks again for the help!

 

I hope this is the right thread, I've got a 7358 with some odd bluetooth problems which I'm struggling to figure out. I use it to connect to a bluetooth receiver attached to my stereo and it works fine until I start downloading anything (images on webpages, files, etc.), then the audio starts stuttering. This does not happen when I am not using bluetooth and it doesn't happen to the audio from, say a Youtube video. Additionally, I've had a number of BSODs occur while using bluetooth, usually when the receiver turns itself off or if I try to switch MusicBee back to speakers/headphones (I often run MusicBee to BT and everything else to the laptop speakers). I've updated all the relevant drivers. Anybody have any idea what's going wrong?

 

Soooo I kinda followed jinsirius's method and now the headphone jack issues is fixed
...but my speakers aren't working. Also, I don't know how relevant this is, but when I try to look at sb cinema, i get this dialog box: this and hitting "yes" gets me this

I swear everything's there though... I mean this is all of it, right? http://i.imgur.com/RcNmmDB.png

 

Hi guys, new here I dunno if I am in the right thread but I got hold of a d900f but it only has hard drive under battery(manual states its secondary) my question is can I use it for primary. Can't install anymore as parts are missing. Ty in advanced for any replies

 

Wow that machine could not be more different than the thread you chose. There is/was a d900f owners thread but yes you can select the boot order in the bios.

 

Well, mine gets uncomfortably warm. I wanted to understand if it's only something related to my particular instance or it's a problem of this model, generally speaking.

The HDD temperature rarely goes beyond 46 degrees (C). Right now is exactly at 46 and after a couple of minutes typing/using the touchpad I have to lift my hand and make it rest on a cooler surface... :/

 

I ordered my Clevo W230SS barebone yesterday, along with an i5-4200M for $160 from ebay and 8GB of DDR3L-1600.
I'm using my old 500GB HDD for now, but I'll get one or two msata SSDs to replace that in the near future
I really can't wait for it all to arrive!
I wasn't sure of the 13.3" form factor, but I just decided to go for it. We'll see in a few days
I'll just list the overall specs and cost too btw:
Barebone: $775
1920x1080 panel (the 3K panel was only $39 more, but somehow I decided not to go for that. It's sunday so nothing has been done with the order yet. Maybe someone has experience with it and convince me? )
Dual band wireless 300mbit upgrade from 150mbit single band
i5-4200M: $160
8GB RAM: $82
Total: $1017
Quite a good deal eh?

 

My w230ss is on its way, but new graphics cards are coming, do you think I need to cancel and wait?

 

I don't think now mobile GPUs are gonna be around any time soon.
There are gonna be some new desktop GPUs on the way, but I don't suppose we're gonna see new series from either AMD or Nvidia until at least 2015.
Waiting with buying a new PC is almost never a good idea by the way, unless the new GPUs are already officially announced.

 

Not in the 860m category, the new GPUs are mostly aimed at the high performance segment (i.e. the 870m, 880m sort of class). We might see an 865m revision with higher clockspeeds and faster VRAM but this is the limit of what I'd expect. The AMD GPUs are definitely not attractive until they fix their Enduro mess. I wouldn't cancel, this machine is good for quite a long time, it may even be upgreadeable to Broadwell later (probably thanks to Prema's BIOS).

 

I get throttling from 3.3Ghz on an i7-4710MQ by 200mhz to 3.1Ghz for AVX workloads (all cores). Weirdly enough, if I overclock by +200mhz, the speed also increases to 3.3Ghz (instead of the potential 3.5Ghz). This is with TDP 100W and TDC 95A.

 

3.7ghz is single core only. You have to increase the tdp to avoid throttle, this can make it hotter though.

 

Hi Guys, I just recently bought this model but it came with no OS, and only BIOS, I am having trouble installing OS to this Laptop since it has not CD/DVD Drive.

Can someone guide me for general step-by-step method on installing OS on this machine?

BTW, I am planning to install Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit on it, is it OK?

Thanks

 

So, anyone have any experience with the 3200x1800 screen that's available?

 

Hello all,

Recently bought a XMG 304 and I am very impressed with it, only slight issue I have is with the heat this puts out.

The noise is fine but it seems a little hot to what I am reading of other peoples.

I am running it on a cooling mat and the CPU hit 95*c when gaming, I have tried a little undervolt, -70 and it made 3 or 4*c difference.

I plan to repaste the CPU and GPU soon so hopefully that will help.

Is there anything else I can look to do to improve the temps?

Thanks,

 

Just copy the Win 7 ISO files to a USB flash drive and press F12 at startup and choose to boot from the USB drive.

 

Never mind, beaten to the reply lol.

Otherwise buy a cheap USB cd/dvd drive for maybe US$25 will do the job.

You should also have received a drivers disc with the laptop. Install the o/s, then the drivers. Good to go.

 

Im currently using a eurocom m4 variant with the 3200x1800 screen and the pixel density is just awesome!!!, windows 8 looks fantastic and can be compared with the ipad air as far as clarity. However there is a bit of backlight bleed from the bottom and windows 8 isnt yet fully optimized for this resolution so some windows look a bit blurry. I run it at 200% text to get a pixel doubling effect which is great 99% of the time (so it works out to be a very sharp 1600*900 screen).

For giggles i run it at native without pixel doubling and it makes for a very tiny desktop that even with my glasses i strain to see.

Hope that helps!

 

not a good deal!!. i got a i7-4710mq with the 3k screen and 8gb ram, 500gb SSHD, WIRELESS BT combo card, FOr 1040 total shipped... ima check if the deal is still there but you overpaid!

 

Re-paste will help a lot. I get about 90'c on cpu while gaming, gpu stays 85'c max. And this is with cpu uv -60mv and some gpu oc.

 

The cheapest I could find anywhere is $1180 for the same config...
Do notice I live in The Netherlands and not in the US or anything.

 

As long as you have something with a DVD drive you can just open the folder there and copy all the files to a USB drive.
If you don't, you can easily pirate a windows copy and use you legit key without problems.

 

Why pirate when you can legally download the windows 7 ISO?

 

You can? I completely missed that :')
I've been doing it like this for years now

 

Lol, I like my fast and spyware free downloads, what can I say?

 

Hey everyone so I've decided to hop on the w230ss bandwagon, been following this thread for quite a while now but now I'm definitely purchasing, a few questions tho:
1. I wanna maximize on battery life, what configs would do that, like would going i5>i7 help? And is the commonly posted 5.5-6 hours of battery on or off WiFi?
2. I live in Ottawa Canada, and was wondering if anyone has preferences of Eurocom or Reflex? If I were to purchase off Eurocom I could pick up since they're located in Ottawa
3. Anyone have a Eurocom m4 in which they'd like to review their purchasing experience? Keep in mind I'm going into university next year and able to take full advantage of student discounts, not sure if reflexnotebook has a equivalent

If anyone is able to answer any of the questions or provide info which is believed to be useful, please do! Thanks for the help

 

1. No, as long as the wattage is the same it doesn't matter. I'd personally suggest going for a 37W part (i5 vs i7? I don't know. I don't think an i7 will give you any more FPS combined with this GPU. It's a different story when you're doing CPU bound stuff tho, like picture/video editing and rendering).
2. I don't live in canada
3. I don't have a Eurocom m4

Anyway, this laptop is gonna be a HUGE upgrade from the laptop you have now. Especially because it's not alienware

Edit:
I suggested a 37W part not only because of the power savings, but also because it'll run a lot cooler.
That's quite a thing to hold into account when dealing with notebooks this size...

 

1. Personally I'm not sure a lower wattage CPU really results in more battery life since the CPU is automatically throttled down when not being exercised. I'd stick with the most bang for buck, in my case that was the 4810 when it was an on-sale upgrade at $35. Worse case you can always use something like Intel XTU to undervolt the CPU
2. I ordered from Reflex Notebook as I'm in Toronto, no issues but I wish they their communications would be more proactive. For example, I don't think my order status on their site ever got changed to Shipped. However I always got same day responses to emails and they almost always answer the phone when you call so no major complaints. Never dealt with Eurocom, but I'd had heard less then positive things in the past that made me avoid them.
3. Nope

 

Thanks for the replies so far!
It seems that the only 37W is the i5-4210m, and 47W ranges from i7-4700qm to 4910qm. The i5 is only dual core I believe but I save $80 on Eurocom whereas upgrading to 4710 from 4700 is +$50. I'd like it to be future proof, but I wouldn't mind saving a few bucks where possible. My thoughts are similar to Gerald where the wattage is only at maximum capacity, if I were to go endurance it would all be light work so I don't think it would matter.. I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

For Eurocom, with a 1080p screen, i5, and 1tb harddrive, it comes to $1094 and I also get a 10% student discount
For reflex, everything at default with a 1tb harddrive comes to $1150, not sure if they have additional discounts and also unsure about shipping (Eurocom I can pick up)

Is there anything which offers a cheaper price out there or suggestions on configs? Answers to previous questions and additional information is still welcome, and thanks again for anyone with information!!

 

Hi,

Do all the W230SS's come with the TPM (Trusted Platform Module) Chip? I got mine today, installed the driver, but it's not detected. It wasn't listed in the parts/features when I bought it either.

 

Hello everyone,

First time poster but long time reader of this forum for many years. I've always wanted a Clevo so I ordered a Clevo W230SS a week after my Acer TimelineX 4820TG died several weeks ago from misuse on my part. I ordered from CyberpowerPC and will be getting the 1920x1080 display; i7 4810MQ; 16 GB of RAM; 1TB SSHD; Intel AC Wireless. I am expecting delivery of the Clevo sometime this Friday. I am hoping everything turns out well but I will report anything negative as it arises.

 

I've seen it as an option from some vendors where there's an added charge for it. I don't think I've seen it anywhere where it's installed by default.

 

I'm loving my laptop so far, but coming from a 15.6" I am feeling it's a tiny bit small. I have to move it closer to me on a desk a bit to read the small fonts. I have chrome at 90% so I can fit a lot on my screen.

Hoping I'll get used to the size, happy I didn't opt for the QHD as my eyes aren't strong enough for fonts that small

 

1. Check out this review http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...m-review-using-sager-np7330-clevo-w230st.html

I had to do decide the same. And took the i7 because of the fps difference in bf3. Modern games can come optimized for quad cores and get a big boost. Battery life is nearly the same with i5 / undervolted i7. But you cannot add 2 cores to the i5. With Prema BIOS you can set 37W TDP and frequency or even disbale Cores for all i7 if needed. I have a 4710mq @ default clock and with undervolt the heat is absolutely OK.

 

You can add the CPU yourself later if you like but for the money the I7 does makes sense.