Yeah, disabling EIST disables all CPU frequency changes too. I don't want to stop dynamic scaling, I just want to stop the GPU throttling and locking itself to 400MHz when on battery. I want it to act like normal when its plugged in - 400MHz idle, 1200MHz in use...
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will wireless usb adapter help much in decreasing the latency and increasing the speed?
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I think poor sound in headphones in my case might be due to high impedance of HD555 and W230's audio chip not being able to push it. No other headphones to test with unfortunately.
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Um... trying to catch up on posts I missed and this post kinda ended up getting away from me. Sorry for super long post xD.
. The 4910MQ is not worth it, it'll be throttled. The 4810MQ is pushing it as is but is still a decent upgrade over the 4700MQ. Everything should be supported under Linux, nvidia optimus is a pain but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus will help (I suggest Bumblebee!). Can't comment on wattage use via powertop, but can say that it won't get any better (or much worse) battery life than Windows, 5-6 hours with casual non-nvidia GPU usage.
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Depends on the headphones.
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In the case of high impedance headphones like yours, all you technically need is an external amp, but you might as well get a decent DAC as well for much better audio quality.
The E07k/E17 can function as both an amp and as an external DAC over USB. If you have a phone that can't use a USB DAC (not all phones can), you can just use it as an amp.CyberTronics, LostCoast707 and turokrocks like this. -
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Compiling the kernel will absolutely cause the fan to kick in. You're putting 100% load on all 4 phys/8 logical cores for 15+ minutes. The only thing worse than that would be like... playing a modern game on highest settings while streaming/recording the video output (as you'd be stressing both dGPU and a lot of the CPU via game and encoding). But even then you could enable Intel QuickSync to drop load/temps significantly.
Hearthstone should run fine on the IGP without reving the fans up too high.
You don't need a super powerful CPU to run the Android emulator super fast. You just need an Intel CPU with Intel VT-d support so you can use Intel HAXM.
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Any reason not to pick up the best CPU offered to me; the 4910MQ? Has anyone found any reseller with the 1440p screen?
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The Clevo on the other hand is thicker and not as sexy but is highly upgradeable and maintainable and at the end of the day this suits my needs best. Personally I don't find much difference between carrying the Vaio and the Clevo around, the Clevo is a bit thicker but not to the point where it is uncomfortable.
In terms of battery life under Linux, I get an estimate of 5.5 hours but have not formally tested it as battery life is not very important to me. You can use powertop in Linux to check power management and I use TLP to do power management in Arch, both work fine in Arch. Unfortunately I am having an issue with powertop where it is not reporting wattage, hopefully it's just an issue of it needing more time to gather stats but need to investigate more.mitseas likes this. -
Just bought the barebones model of this laptop today, cant wait till I get it!! Putting my W230ST parts in it when I get it (4700MQ, etc) with some IC Diamond paste. Cant wait to see what this little beast will do for me compared to the 765m! Sold my W230ST (barebones) off and it ended up costing me $120 more on top of what I made to get this, so excited!!
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Seeing as the 4710, 4810 and 4910 processors all have the same TDP, would it be safe to assume that they generate roughly the same amount of heat and that they all benefit from undervolting etc?
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Has anyone seen the new gigabyte x3? Opinions before I get the SS
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Has anyone tuned colors on their W230SS internal display? It appears quite yellowish to me. Is there a better way to adjust colors besides Intel HD Graphics control panel?
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Get the 4810MQ and tweak the voltage on it.
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I may be mistaken but since both 4810 and 4910 have that 47W TDP. From wikipedia; "The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, refers to the maximum amount of heat generated by the CPU, which the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate in typical operation." and from another source; "TDP is technically the max amount of power the cooling system needs to dissipate in order to keep the chip at or below its maximum temperature.". So since both chips need a fan with TDP at 47W I guess that their throttlig should be the same. Just that "somehow" the 4910 can run cooler with higher clock rates. I mean, if Intel says they need the same amount of cooling prowess out of you fan and they both have max temp 100 degrees C, Since 4910 has higher clock rates it should in theory produce less heat at the same Hz,
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"The TDP is typically not the largest amount of heat the CPU could ever generate (peak power), such as by running a power virus, but rather the maximum amount of heat that it would generate when running "real applications.""
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It will clamp to roughly the same speed and head over an extended time, the 4810qm is the best balance due to the multipliers available and potential tweaking options.
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For those that interesting to install a 4G LTE mini card , I am using the Sierra Wireless AirPrime MC7700 3G 4G LTE HSPA+ EV-DO Mini Card that is working perfectly. I bought it from AmazonTheSwede86 likes this. -
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Hi, I've been on the fence about purchasing this laptop but cyberpowerpc currently has a promotion going on (I believe it ends today) with a bunch of free upgrades, and it makes the price quite appealing - around $100 less than comparable configurations elsewhere. Does anybody know about this reseller in terms of reputation, service, quality, etc? Think it'd be a safe buy?
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Temperature is the same. When gaming it can get pretty hot.
It should last two years. Usually comes with a 1 year warranty, if you order on an AMEX card that warranty is extended to two years through AMEX.
There are 4+ different wireless adapters for the laptop. Need to be more specific.
You can install some software to improve sound quality slightly. But the built in speakers are still pretty bad. I'm a minor audiophile though, so I'll never get decent quality from onboard speakers.
XoticPC is nice. Can't comment on international warranty though.
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Hi Folks,
I have just finished reading the 114 pages on this thread and now is probably a good time for my first post. Thanks for all the comments/screenshots, it s been hugely instructive. I am this close to buying a Clevo 230ss (we call it Aftershock 13v2 here in Singapore) but I still have a small hesitation with the much thinner/lighter yet same specs Gigabyte p34g v2. I know the same question has been raised earlier but the only reply was about the Gigabyte getting hotter and thus much less powerful due to throttling. Is that really true? Surely it gets warmer but not to the point where it becomes unusable.
Let's look at the real life benchmarks. Notebookcheck website, 3dmark11: Clevo gets 5210, Gigabyte 5209. 1 point difference. Please don't tell me that's because of the over heatingSo any more thoughts (apart from greater upgradability) to convince me to leave the Gigabyte alone and buy my Clevo tomorrow (we have a local PC show with great discounts ending tomorrow). Note that I have delayed my purchase because since the page 80 of this thread there has been quite a few people complaining that the wireless card/audio jack/ etc. are not working properly. More than on the 'average' owner's lounge.
Thanks folks!
PS: Amazing to see how some people are thinking alike and end up buying the same computers years after years. A couple of people on this thread migrated from the same 13' gaming laptop as the one I currently own, i.e. the acer 3820tg
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Can't express how happy I am with this laptop. It crunches everything I throw at it- metro, grid 2, alan wake. Everything on high with a decent fps. And it doesn't heat that bad either.
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The DAC included in this unit is below average, but for my purpose I'm actually using this for portable LAN computer. I'm not as young and perky as used to be so carrying the full tower just keeps getting old. speakers are loud enough to sonic thru the fan on the unit. I had the defective unit 7260 apparently which Reseller swapped out, I'll be back online with it on Wednesday so I'll keep it updated.
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The 7260 has had driver issues on Windows. I personally use Linux and never touch the ac part of the card so can't comment too much. Thoroughput is definitely limited by the driver on Linux.
The DAC is meh if you have low impedance headphones. If you need to run anything higher end, it will quickly fail you. Again, pretty standard for laptops. I personally use an external USB DAC so I don't have much experience with it.
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The 7260 should be fine.
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My experience so far with my one week old W230SS (bought in Denmark - I7 4710, 8 Gb ram, Crucial M500 240 Gb SSD mSATA, TN panel I guess?)
Noise: Is a complete nonissue with web surfing. It just never makes a sound. Happily surprised here, as I was dreading noise coming and going all the time. It reels up the noise for 5 seconds when booting into Win8, then it's never heard off again. Noise during gameplay is acceptable. This means it's quite loud, but that's expected from such a strong GPU unit in a small case.
Gaming: My temps during BF4 for 1 hour @ FullHD Ultra settings (FPS around 30 in urban maps): GPU : 78-83 degrees celcius. CPU was in the 60-70s all the time. My Asus UX32VD with it's weak Nvidia 620M had GPU at 92 degrees and CPU at 89 degrees during a similar session.
Casing: Thick, I'm coming from a UX32VD, so this took some time getting used to. It's wellbuilt though, although there's flexing in the screen.
Love the accessability - that I can easily open and maintain the computer/parts. Love the ability to put two extra HDs into the PC. Accessing parts was a PAIN with the Asus UX32VD.
Screen: Even though the NTSC/RGB gamut is lower than my Asus UX32VDs screen, I am really hard pressed to see any difference. Colors are really vivid and you can tell it's a high quality screen. If any, it's less backlight bleeding on the W230SS. When editing photos I usually use my external 22" IPS display, so it's no problem at all.
Problems:
Touchpad: It works okay with two-finger scrolling, but I'm still adjusting to the pad in general. I can't get rid of the ANNOYING charms bar when sliding in from right. The pad in general is actually not far from the UX32VD in usability, but not as good. Any advice on best drivers or configuration to make it a smooth user experience?
Battery: I'm getting 4h25m with the balanced profile (50% brightness and anything but wifi turned off) + Control Center profile "Quiet". I can definately live with that. Weird thing though, is the first time my battery was fully charged I got a whopping 5h30m with the same settings. Where did that capacity go? Any advice here? -
All of them have a separate warranty for Canada on top of the US Sager warranty. There's also the option to include coverage for two-way shipping from Canada to US/Sager for the duration of the warranty. That's either included on the price of the Canadian warranty or a separate option. Funny thing is ,among all the resellers, the NP7338 config I wanted amounted to the exact same dollar figure, regardless of free shipping or not. Of course, not including differences in NBR member or cash discounts.
I was originally planning to buy it from the US and have it shipped to a US mailbox at the border. With the current bad exchange rate, and if HST was charged at the border, the difference would have only been $50. Now if you're getting it shipped to your residence, especially if it's UPS, UPS is going to you...with brokerage fees. It's bad enough that a notebook with a list price of $1200, we get charged with taxes that can buy a nice SSD.
With that said, totally up to you. Price is a major consideration for me as we're expecting our second child this August.With a recent streak of bad reviews, I'm just really hoping Reflex notebook delivers within an acceptable time frame. This forum has helped to ease the transaction and I will definitely put up a review when appropriate.
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And about price, you are absolutely right. Talking about this, you will be pleased to hear that you guys in the 'land of America' really get a good bargain. The price in Singapore for a i7 4710, 8gigs, 1080p screen, 1tb 7200 +250 evo msata ssd is SGD 2,150 i.e. about USD 1,700-1,750... That s the premium to pay to buy in Asia a computer with components, well, made in Asia for most of them
Two quick questions to help me make the best out of my new beast:
1. How do you guys connect it to a UHD screen (4k TV)? I used to plug my 3820tg to a 1080p TV through VGA but I guess that might not work on more recent 4k screens. HDMI?
2. Back in my days, it was a bad idea to keep your battery in the laptop when it was plugged in. Batteries were used only on the go, and it s a pain to remove it and put it back all the time. Does that still apply or am I just an old timer shocking you with my stories about the early days of computing ?
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If you are located in ontario specifically near hamilton or brantford, would you be interested in buying my eurocom m4(w230ss). The specs are as follows
I5-2410m haswell
16gb of ram
1080p matte
120gb ssd
6 hours of battery
4.4 lbs
nvidia 860m
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Hi I recently purchased a sager np7338 and am waiting for it to arrive.
I am going to get an SSD for it as well and am thinking of one of these two.
Crucial m500 240gb
Amazon.com: Crucial M500 240GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT240M500SSD3: Electronics
Or the samsung 840 evo 250gb
Amazon.com: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO mSATA 0.85-Inch Solid State Drive MZ-MTE250BW: Electronics
From the reviews I have seen the samsung is better, but not enough better to justify the added cost.
Am I wrong, or are there any other msata ssds I should look at?
I am also planning to run linux as well as windows 7. Currently my plan is to just install windows but have a partition for installing linux later. I have not used ssds before so I want to make sure I set it up correctly. So any tips for how to make installing windows on it would be greatly appreciated.
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. 4k should work over HDMI, but I've never used a 4k display so can't comment too much. You'll only get 30 Hz out of HDMI 1.4 though. You need HDMI 2.0 (which I don't think the laptop, or your maybe even TV has) to get 60 Hz. You could look into USB3 to DisplayPort adapters if it doesn't work.
Modern LiIon batteries are pretty smart. I don't worry about any of it. Personally I just leave the battery in and ignore it. If it lasts me a year or two, $50 every 2 years is not a lot of money to spend to replace the battery. The only real precaution you should take if you leave it plugged in 24/7 is just to discharge the battery about once a month. If you're going to leave the battery off of the laptop, discharge it to about 40% first before storing it.
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Considering how powerful the Intel 4600 is, I'd recommend that everyone set Nvidia Panel to use the Intel by default and only use the Nvidia card when you specify. The laptop will run cooler and quieter.
Anyway, back to my problem. Does anyone know how to force the Intel GPU to work normally on battery rather than locking to 400MHz? Disabling EIST/Speedstep locks the CPU and GPU to max speed/power at all times so that's obviously not an option on battery.
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