*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

guess clevo upped the ante and it turned out to rich for alienware's blood, my guess is they would have needed a complete redesign to accomidate similar specs with a new mobo and cooling system... to bad though as more competition should breed better products

 

Well, I've decided to return my m11x and get back the money, which I will use for an NP6110. I'll save myself ~$300 and get a much better computer too.

A shame, but oh well, looks like Alienware realizes there's competition and decided to back out of his market.

One question, I have a 6110 waiting on my checkout right now, should I wait for reviews or the new IB?!

What do you you think guys?
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just wait a few days, the IB should be up on 23rd.

 

Definitely wait. It's just a few days.

I was this close to getting an M11x for my wife to replace her God-awful netbook when I found the W110ER. If Alienware can't take Clevo's heat, then I think it really shows how much of a potential winner we have right here.

 

Yes. Thank you.

 

I know they are announcing the new IVB CPUs on april 23rd, does anyone have a firm date that resellers will start shipping these systems out?

 

Is there anything known if this Clevo/Sager will be available in Germany as well?

 

Sad to see the M11x go but definitely looking forward to the Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110! Looks like Alienware saw the upcoming competition and decided to throw in the towel.

 

Dang those M11x fans are a bit bitter... http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m11x/657896-m11x-phased-out-sorry-guys.html. I don't know why some people wouldn't want to consider this Clevo if they were considering the AW.

 

Well with just hearing about this and the M11x being phased out, I know where my money is going...

I'm really curious if this laptop can run at max performance on battery like the M11x series could. That was such a high selling point for me with that laptop. The ability to game (on battery) without down clocked speeds was very tempting.

The M11x had outstanding idle/everyday use battery life too. I wonder how this 6 cell battery will perform.

 

I think the battery life of the M11x is likely superior. However I was wondering if it would be possible to fix a ULV CPU in this machine if it's same socket.

 

Out of the box this has listed 410min of battery life.
If we would use throttlestop to fix multi at lowest and disable all but one core, the CPU should consume like 3-10W max on full load...we could also undervolt the gpu or disable it and OC the HD4000 instead etc.
TBH, I don´t think battery life will be an issue with this power house.

 

I don't think you can OC the IGP. But faster RAM should help. I'm debating between quad and dual core. I guess pricing will play a part in that too. But I can't see quad using much more power than the dual.

 

That is correct. The only quad is the 35W quad( 3612QM) and you can select from any of the SB and IVB dual cores that are 35W and below as the sockets are compatible. It will just depend on which reseller you get it from and what kind of stock they want to carry.

From the prototype leaks it seems the power delivery capability is there for a up to a 45W processor but the retail spec sheet limits itself to listing 35W and below.

 

Well, I don't think CPU power is going to be any kind of concern in any case. Curious to see the dual core offerings and cost. Let's hope the NDA is next Monday and not the following Monday.

 

Alienware M14x R2 is out and has GT 650m with GDDR5.

The thing that strikes me as odd is that Sager and AW came out with new laptops just a week or two before Ivy Bridge is supposedly available. Makes me wonder if Ivy Bridge will be delayed even further. That or if they feel the Kepler GPU is enough of a draw to sell laptops. I'm assuming though that the new ivy bridge socket and chipset are compatible with sandy bridge then.

 

There is no IVB socket. It is the same socket as SB but with a new MB chipset that is backwards compatible with SB.

The reasoning might be that for a power gaming user there isn't a big upside to the IVB processors over SB.

 

Yeah, for gamers it's not a huge deal. But for GPU performance on battery, IB is a big boost.

 

Really? I thought IB was supposed to offer increased performance over SB, not just the GPU?

 

IB is a marginal CPU increase, but the HD 4000 in the IB is 25-40% improvement over the HD 3000 in SB.

 

It does, but minimally. In general, the CPU performance is 5-15% better at most. The integrated GPU though is the big selling point, as it's dramatically improved (nearly 50% faster and it fully supports DX11). The smaller process also results in a more power efficient chip across the board (50% more efficient).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)

Most people forget, but Intel does a Tick-Tock release cycle where the the Tick is a die shrink, while the tock is a new microarchitecture. Sandy Bridge was a tock, where Ivy Bridge is just a die shrink (the "tick"). Performance increases are usually quite large on the tock, but feature improvements and efficiency are pushed on the die shrink. Haswell in 2013 should be the big performance boost.

 

How is the cooling on this thing..

 

Take a look for yourself:

I work on BIOS mods on the Clevos, and yes all we need is hidden in there...
Get ready, because Prema has one on order with Mythlogic.

 

Any temps for the GPU?
CPU temps look good with 45W a CPU shoud be even better with 35W, so that shoudn't be an issue hopefully fan noise and GPU temps won't be too bad when gaming or under load.
I really do hope to see the 3612 QM as a option when IVB is finally released, looks like a beast, fast and 4 cores= awesomness.

 

Woot! Awesome. This is good news. Let's just hope we can all get a significant boost of the IGP. So you're going with a Sandy Bridge then? Not going to wait until Ivy Bridge pops up? I'm waiting for IB then I'll pull the trigger.

Curious to see the fastest RAM the IB CPU's in this system supports. 2133 perhaps? That would help ease the DDR3 bottleneck a bit.

I was considering the P151EM but the more I think about it, I use my netbook 80% of the time now anyhow. I can always use my HP DV6 with 1080p screen if I need the big screen. Plus the 650m will blow away the 6750m in my DV6, especially running at 1366x768. Too bad the W110ER doesn't have an mSATA slot. That would be a great option for such a small package. Heck if you could live with the smaller storage space of the mSATA that would leave the whole HDD bay clear for mods.

 

Nope, I am getting the 3612QM...just ordered without CPU until news comes in

The bios of the new Clevos all have 2133-2400-2667Mhz available. Not for regular useres access, but for us to "play" with.

Now you got me thinking...ha ha...there are indeed mSata adapter so you can use it in the regulare sata bay, but with much less space occupied...what do you have in mind...maybe a radiator or waterpump...lol...

 

They didn't really go all out on the visual design of the thing did they. I gotta admit...i looks pretty plain and vanilla even for a sager/clevo laptop

 

I would hope to put in a USB hub so that I can move all the little mouse/keypad/bluetooth/etc adapters inside the shell.

Perhaps in two years when mStata drives start to reach 200gb+ sizes for prices that aren't so high, the next refresh will do away with the 2.5 drive and just have a msata and use the extra space to build in a larger air cooler with dual fans or even dual coolers.

 

Hmm, hey Myth is there a slight chance for a miracle that msata works, because I heard you talk about W moddels where it wasn´t mentioned and was still working.

 

Hey,

There is only one slot on the W110ER, so there is a VERY low chance that it will be mSATA capable. Clevo's that are single mPCIE slotted are pretty much always just PCIE on that slot and thats it.

There is hope for the W150/W170 because it has 2 mPCIE slots =)

 

THX, just let us know how this VERY low chance turns out during your tests.
I mean if it works we could just use a usb wlan & maybe hide it internally (as suggested above) and put an antenna connector...

 

i thought the 3612qm is a soldered on cpu??? so doesnt that make it so that you cant just buy it and stick it on?

 

Does anyone know where I can order one in Canada?

 

CPU is a socket, GPU is soldered.

 

Hey all, new to the forums here but thought I'd throw some questions out to you knowledgeable individuals while I'm trying to decide what my next computer will be.

I'm a pretty computer-savvy guy, though that's relative to the average individual -- I'm not intimidated by computers, but especially when it comes to hardware, I'm pretty newbie.

So. My current desktop is going on 5 years old, with a major bottleneck in the video card. I don't game a TON, but it's important enough that I hate playing stuff on the lowest settings. I'd also like to have a mobile computer. I'm trying to decide if I want to upgrade my video card + power supply on the desktop, and then buy something like a netbook, or if I should just "consolidate" and go with a laptop capable of doing it all -- basic stuff + gaming on not-terrible settings + a fair amount of PhotoShop.

I'd been looking at the M11x -- highly portable, good battery life, capable of gaming -- but am turned off by the price and think it looks horrible (preference, I know). My question (finally) is this: is this machine going to be a good solution to my scenario (decent gaming for the next 3ish years, battery life over 5 hours if not gaming, and enough processing power to do some decently-intensive photo editing)? I figure I'll usually hook up to a 19" monitor when gaming, switch off the GPU otherwise.

Additionally, with the new Ivy Bridge coming out, is this something worth waiting for in my case? I read a few posts ago that the main boost in performance would be the on-board graphics, which (I assume) don't make a difference with gaming. Would this make a difference for photo editing? I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know if PhotoShop and the like are GPU intensive, CPU intensive, or RAM intensive... I don't NEED the latest and greatest, I just want a good computer that will fit my needs for several years.

Oh, and I'm currently a graduate student, so budget is a bit tight -- anyone know if either Mythlogic or XoticPC offers student discounts?

Thanks for any responses -- I realize I'm a bit long-winded and understand if it's obnoxiously-long to respond to!

 

Whether or not it's useful for you depends on the sort of applications (especially games) that you intend on playing. The 650m is definitely not the highest end card, but it's no slouch either. It will definitely smoke whatever 5 year old card you had in your desktop though. The 650m doesn't really have any good benchmarks out yet, but it falls somewhere between the older 460m and 560m benchmarks, so you can use them as a guide to see what you can expect from it.

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

As for Ivy Bridge, at this point there's not much waiting left. I'd just say give it a little bit of time and you won't have to choose anyway

For what you want to do, Ivy Bridge only matters in terms of slightly increased battery life and possibly better performance when running on the integrated graphics (usually when you want to save battery as well).

Photoshop tends to require a lot of RAM and (if you have it) a good GPU. It can use hardware acceleration to make use of your discrete Nvidia GPU to boost rendering and other intensive calculations.

 

call me when they switch it to the GDDR5 model.

GDDR3 in 2012 WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?.... It's not like it is any cheaper than GDDR5

 

Lower heat output and power draw and at 768p native rez of the screen the lower memory bandwidth won't make much of a difference.

 

Yeah it will. Remember the GTS 250m? It also came in GDDR5 and GDDR3 models. The GDDR3 version was significantly slower in some games, even at lower resolutions.

 

Let's hope it's Monday.

2667!? Is that stuff even available for purchase?

lol. No liquid, but was thinking of some additional cooling of some sort. Even piping extra air in over the CPU/GPU.

Yeah, the Radeon 6650m and 6750m are same chip, except the 6650m has DDR3 and 6750m is GDDR5 and has a significant improvement. That being said, I'm certain it will be plenty powerful for anything you throw at it, especially at 768p. But cooling and power was probably their biggest concern, and it *is* in an 11.6" notebook, so let's not get too greedy, lol. M14x only has 650m also, with GDDR5, but it's a 14" form factor (well really 15" but we won't go there).

 

Kinda .. HD only screen and Gddr3

 

Ivy bridge seriously needs to come out so i can pick me up one of this little boogars.
11.6 seems like it'll be the best size for my school use, though, the picture with the 13.3 inch looks kinda nice too.

 

DDR3 aside, look at the overall performance, seriously. the 11.6" form factor probably couldn't handle the heat dissipation. I'm sure a 13" could manage a 660m with GDDR5, but it doesn't exist (yet), so you either gotta run with the 11.6" or go 15.6". Your other options are the M14x R2 with GT 650m GDDR5 and 1600x900 option, and Lenovo Y480 with pretty much same specs as the M14x R2, but also has 660m as an option.

 

Isn't there supposed to be DDR3 2133 from Kingston? I hope Prema can get it to work out for us! I just can't find it anywhere.

 

again we dont know the legitmacy of the gtx 660m lenovo y480

 

What do you mean by legitimacy? It's in Lenovo's specs and advertising. Otherwise they will have some significant false advertising to explain.

Spoiler

Also, I was just thinking, this little 11.6" is significantly faster than the Razer Blade at less than 1/3 the price.

 

The gtx 660m is a typo, it should be in the Y580 page. So far, pre order shows Y480 comes with GT 640m or its LE version.

 

Exactly how many USB 3.0 ports does this have? Some sites hay only 1, but others like lpcdigital say it has 2.

 

There is a BGA1224 and a rPGA988B version of that CPU.

They showed it first at Cebit 2011 and later at Computex, but nothing ever since. I guess it´s because most of the current Notebooks won´t pick that JEDEC table on it´s own even if support is there (HM models do that). So they would face too many complaints.
For now we have to write our own tables with Thaiphoon Burner and force the bios to use that speed. Or use XMP profiles on supported Notebooks.

• 1 x USB 2.0 port (1x powered USB port, AC/DC)
• 2 x USB 3.0 ports

 

This looks it will be my next laptop. However I'd like to be able to order it a little more barebones so I can put my own choice of SSD, RAM, CPU, and WiFi in it without paying for ones I don't want first. Any plans to make that an option? I really appreciate not having to get it with an OS included though.

Edit: Found a barebones one here, time to price the rest of the parts and see where it comes out...