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Use this.
https://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=24094

 

And the King of Prime has shown up!

@Falkentyne What are the current settings for running prime95 26.6 now?

 

You can disable AVX and FMA3 in the options now. But small FFT and smallest FFT with AVX disabled is fine if you can keep the temps under control.
I also found out when testing Normal (Not sure if the auto and normal settings are bugged, on the gigabyte board, if you go from static directly to auto or normal (normal allows offsets) voltages, the voltage set was the last manual voltage. (Did not test this after a full power off), but if you put a +005mv or -005mv offset, then the "Normal" voltage setting correctly links to the CPU VID (AC loadline) setting instead, then setting AC and DC loadlines to 1.60 mOhms (and Loadline calibration to Standard) allow the CPU VID and VR VOUT (on-die sense true CPU voltage) to be within 5mv of each other at both idle and load.

Also, AVX and FMA3 heavy stress loads (FFT size 128K or lower) cause an automatic +40mv to be added to the CPU VID (and thus VR VOUT).

 

Can you send me a screen shot of it? Thanks.
And I was using static voltage for 5.1 ghz.

 

Thank you.

 

Don't thank me yet!

That is running off an AC unit.

 

ha! i KNEW it!

 

Well yes, we already know no one is running 4.7 sitting on a desktop with auto fans.

But that is my every day cooler, just like I have water chiller for my DT.

 

4.8 Ghz

4.9Ghz

 

This is just at 4.7 ghz, 4.4 cache and manually synching the AC/DC loadlines to the VRM loadline (assuming Gigabyte followed the Intel documents and used 1.6 mOhms for "Auto / Normal / Standard" Loadline calibration (yes, they are all the same setting, whats the point of three settings doing the same thing? I did not test what happens if you enable "MCE" however).

VR VOUT=true load voltage (I renamed it to VR Vcore).

 

@Falkentyne Thanks, but I just meant the settings in this screen shot. Because i wanted them to match the current standard settings.

 

Impossible. I'm using this.

 

Okay, you lost me. No worries, I know how to get them. Thanks though.

 

CPU VID is requesting 1.265v true CPU load voltage (VR VOUT / on-die sense (VCC sense/VSS Sense) voltage for 5 ghz AVX stability on the 4k-5K AVX FFT test.

I chose to use manual voltage now rather than Auto because 1.265v on VR VOUT under AVX load (5 ghz, 4.7 ghz cache) is asking for 115C temps (never mind that I alreaday raised TJmax to 115. I don't want my eggs to cook faster on my BGAkiller than on that Nvidia Papusan video card.

Manually sets voltage to 1.360v + LLC High which gave this huge vdroop at load (more vdroop=more stable voltage=less risk of transient spikes and dips (dips hurt stability).
This, plus having my apartment door open to drop my ambient temps to 21.6C was the only way I could make it through the 4k AVX test and reach 5k.
My apartment is now as cold as @Papusan 's backyard.

So that means absolute MINIMUM AVX stability (at 93C CPU temp!!!) is 1.223v, with the CPU VID requesting 1.265v.
Most likely that 1.223v would still not be enough if I ran the 15K AVX test (draws about 182 (!!!) amps instead of 174 amps).
Yep, just checked.

15K AVX pulled on-die sense voltage down from 1.223v to 1.217v. CPU would not be long for this world. CPU VID was requesting 1.250v.

(1.215v VR VOUT on the 4k test (Bios voltage 1.350v) crashed after 4 minutes, so yeah). Would probably need Bios 1.365-1.370v to stop VR VOUT from dropping below 1.223v).
LLC=Turbo would just make the minimum voltage more unstable due to transient drops from voltage oscillation from a flatter loadline.

 

Look what GrandesBollas delivered today. Pretty impressive considering the height to weight ratio of the package compared to the delivery "man".

Thank you @Donald@HIDevolution !! Looking forward to unboxing and firing it up.

@Ultra Male let me know your availability to get this puppy set up properly. I won't be unboxing until Saturday, 3/9/2019, east coast US time as I have other commitments. In preparation for the tweaking, if you could point me to one of your many repeated preparatory threads where I can get things set up on my end?

 

@Ultra Male ,

I found one of the many examples you previously posted. I will follow the steps in the following link, and tag you after I've installed TeamViewer.

MSI GT73VR Titan or ???

 

Some unboxing pictures:

 

@Ultra Male everything is updated and am ready to share my TeamViewer ID/PW with you via PM.

 

@GrandesBollas, congratz! You got a dream of many men. Please show us more if you have chances, like detail photos, your thoughts and internal photos.

And, you have a best backpack on earth there, good choice!

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I have just seen this accidentally. I had to turn off notifications for mentions due to users on this forum abusing the mention feature and mentioning for every freakin' thing so now the best way to catch my attention is to quote me, then I will be notified.

I will PM you now but it's 8 AM here in Dubai and I haven't slept yet so I will PM you again once I get online probably around 2 AM Dubai Time.

And please note, no chatting or questions in the PM, it is only for getting your TeamViewer ID, I tweak your system, then I'm out.

 

29834K GPU @150W

 

How? I have the same setup but can’t get that high


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You seem to be sitting at 4.8Ghz while I'm sitting at 5.2 ghz....This might have something to do with it.

 

That and has halo tuned the secondary power limits to maintain boost?

 

Have never seen my cpu go below 4.8ghz during gaming and benching, so I’m assuming I’m good ?


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I guess it matters less at 4.8Ghz, more important at 5.2GHz.

 

Don't know about that, but his machine has the capability to beat the A51M in over all, that's for sure. Right now the 2080 is scoring 30.1K on a 190W vBios.

 

When will we get the ability to have a higher tdp? Is this something Prema is working on ?


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Yes we need a ~200W TDP VBIOS ... https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18661953

 

We need it bad. We have the best cooling on the market and should be able to push this further than what Alienware is doing


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Clevo went back to old sins when they put the P87x series as EOL. Old P7xxDM series was pushed out with less powerful graphics than for P870 chassis. The change (crippled TGP) now come due... Most likely only to provide better cooling for the 9th series Cpu (Unified Heatsink).

 

Btw, how exactly can we tell it has a 190W TDP? I cannot find anywhere to see the power draw.

 

The easiest way is to run hwinfo and it will show you the max power draw of the gpu. Mine I looked at the bios file and then checked it against hwinfo and it reads 150W

 

Complete board or only GPU power draw?

 

should be complete board

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Yup 190W

 

no 150W

 

i see a 60 mhz difference in core clock for 40W more TDP, thats 3%, hardly smth to be sad about

 

But that's just the maximum clock frequency for a second. The 2080 works most of the time with around 1700MHz.

The RTX 2080 with 150W TDP is power limited all the time:

 

who says its not the same in the 51m?

 

Power limited at 190W allow higher clock speeds than power limited at 150W, that's the difference.

 

naturally

 

Basically all nvidia chips are always power limited even on the desktop.

 

It took a long time for me to get my own tm-r functional coz less time from work and I didn't get it with a hard drive so installed my own along with my own 2x16 ram modules and on top of all that wanted to dual boot ubuntu 18 and win 10 pro. During this process and transferring data from old hard drive, the transfer itself would slow down and then go to 0bytes / sec and then the computer would hang. When restarting it would say windows didn't shutdown properly and in an unstable state.

I was suspecting some issues with either the source hard drive or my destination ( a new toshiba mechanical 2tb 5400rpm) so I got another 2 tb SSD this time which was on sale just recently ( the adata 2tb ssd SU800). Now using the nvme as primary, ssd as secondary and the toshiba mechanical as tertiary. Maybe will put in an optane for the toshiba too someday but not today.

I did want to also run some benchmarks ( I have the machine for roughly a month now ) and hope people here can tell me what which are the ones to run to get some idea. I do not want to push it to very high numbers for normal use but I would certainly like to do that once or twice to get the system capabilities. While I wait to do that, I have been using this machine (uptil now only for playing divinity original sin 2 which is not that graphics intensive) but will surely load both witcher 3 and nier and of course FFXV as those were the three (esp ffxv) that caused me to buy this in the first place ! I also have to set up some cloudera environments for other work but will likely do that in the ubuntu install

Uptil now as far as performance goes this machine is like at 4.8 / 4.9 GHz normally ie on idle and just browsing and everything is fast. Well fast is an understatement. I remember talking with HID and discussing about what to expect from the machine and I was under the impression that if all cores are locked at 4.3 GHZ then at idle it would stay around that number and go higher based on demand and them come back down on heating. However what I see is all 8 cores stay high up around 4.7 / 4. 8 normally and even during my normal gameplay and task switching is a breeze.

But that said, I am still having trouble with a couple of things.

• Computer enters sleep on idle but on waking up the keyboard + touchpad doesn't work. The mouse ( logitech 502) works though. A sign-out cycle doesn't help either and it needs a restart for both to work. The restart is a breeze but still !
• The clevo control center settings that allow 'custom' fan speeds doesn't seem to work. Automatic works! For custom I tried settings as start the fan at 60 and shut off at 50 degress C temps for processors but it just didn't start and I saw that the comp went high into 90's during a game. Putting it on automatic , the fans started fine in a game.
• The G502 logitech software doesn't automatically start when the mouse is plugged in. It works fine when manually started.

Any insight please

 

Don’t use Clevo control center ! Use obsidians fan control, worth every penny


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What’s everyone’s port royal scores ? See mine below, I’m definitely power limited since I see my boost only hit 1775 to 1830 during this bench.




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I cannot request some experienced people here @Mr. Fox , @Johnksss or even @Prema to post a guide (or point me to one ) that is for the current bios on these machines. I saw some older ones online ( like 2 yrs or more ) but the options in the current bios are many and I don't want to mess it up. I tried looking at Phoenix's guide from a while back and tried to find the corresponding menus in the current bios to change. I managed to change all cores to 4.2 Ghz and all cores are set at 4.2 but I was hoping to change 6 cores to 4.2 and let the other two turbo but not sure how to do that in this Bios.

I am going to try and get obsidian. @HaloGod2012 can you link me to where to get the correct version from for our machine ?

 

You should really only need to change core number 8 to 4.2 and leave the rest as they are. heavy loads will drop to 4.2 while everything else will run normal.

 

@Johnksss but change in which menu/option. There are a couple of them and I am relatively new to this so would help to know the exact menu and line to change. Currently I just went back to choosing 'default values' in prema and it switched everything to the way it was. If only someone could post a 15 - 20 min tutorial be a very happy request grant!

 

My machine has now been tuned to be whisper quiet while gaming thanks to this software

https://code.obsidian-pc.com/clevo-software/


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