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But how? Anyone seeing this?

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Thanks for the clarification

 

They must have? How else do I have a vapor chamber heatsink with my system? They must have modified it


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I already showed a picture of part of the mod for this.

 

I only for enthusiast. Not for massive selling. I don't understand for what they modified this for whole selling doesn't worth work, price etc.. Personally for private purposes yes. But not for wholesale

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Why is not for enthusiasts? The P870 is better than the supported P775 for cooling, the chassis is better in my opinion


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I mean only for enthusiast. Not for massive selling ( with RTX ).

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Okay, i'm seriously missing something here. I thought you were a "Custom" shop? Is this not the case?
My mod is my mod. And the HIDevolution's mod is way more refined. So much so that it looks like it belongs. If you are not capable of this these types of mods, then maybe this is not the right place for you? The Whole P870TM-R "IS" A Mod since no one has a "Factory" one.

And why does it have to be for enthusiast only?

 

I have no idea what you're saying. The P870 has always been an extreme product. It's big, it performs and it's fairly easy to mod.

What HID did is pretty cool in my opinion. The P775 is a step back and it's not even appealing to me.

Now, what I would like to see is some thermals on the HID P870TM-R, specially under heavy load like prime so I can compare.

 

In case it still isn't clear yet:

The P870TM-R was a special order project by EVOC for custom PremaMod ME, EC, EC2 and BIOS to provide 100% Plug and Play NVIDIA RTX support and optimized performance. No other reseller was interested in supporting it.

I have taken my entire Christmas holiday for this special project because Clevo dropped the ball on the P870TM and even canceled it's successor the X170 due to NVIDIA neither offering SLI nor NVLink for their mobile Turing platform.
https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1074254652424675329?s=19

P.S.: I don't even own an RTX GPU myself:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10871559

NVIDIA also tried to enforce a 150W limit on the 2080 because they don't want the hand full of "higher powered" RTX GPU systems spoil their Max-Q business by having to explain why they are 30% faster:

https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1081899577882566657?s=19

If you want to get better performance from your RTX make your voice heard and reply here:

https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1097220895834161152?s=19

So that Clevo joins the other contract breakers Asus and AW in the fight for Your Freedom of Choice.

 

I am proud to say I am supporting you brother Prema! I can't wait for my machine to ship. It is because of the hard work and dedication by folks like you and others at HID Evolution, I was able to choose this desktop replacement option - I know I will get years of use out of this purchase!

Thank you for all of the naive questions I've asked in the past.

 

@Prema, this is exactly why I went with P870TM1 and waiting for your work to be finished. I’ll be sure ask HIDevolution for an upgrade when things get mature enough. Please keep up your great work


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May I please ask as a noob who does not know much about this, is it entirely up to Clevo to unlock their 2080 to higher TDP, or can it be modded eventually by someone other than Clevo?

 

That feature might come in the BIOS and it will again be Prema's efforts that will result in it ! Doubtful if clevo will do anything ( they have already discontinued the model as everyone has said above) and as to individuals being able to mod it, well that likely won't happen unless you really are the very very opposite of a newbie !

 

As I understand it, the RTX2080 is the same MXM module in the 870TM-R that HID offers as it is in the officially supported 775T / 751TM?

If so, if Clevo unlock the ability to push it to, say, 190w, how would the end user flash this bios onto the card?

As an additional question, is it possible Prema can mod this card to raise its TDP?

 

@CedricFP, I think we don’t need to pull that much detail information. Put it as simple as if there’s a way, our seniors will show us the way.

Also, if the work somehow related to Prema and the BIOS (very very likely), you will need to send your Clevo to HIDevolution or similar companies to do the job.


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Clevo are unlikely to release a power unlocked vbios. Either way all the tables and voltages are stored there.

 

I’m sure this topic has been discussed at length, but being a new P870TMR owner I need to ask the question. I’m not a big driver/BIOS updater. But I do plan for on updating my RTX 2080 driver monthly or so as is my current practice with my 1060.

Will I be unable to simply go to Nvidia ‘s website and download the appropriate package? Will I be locked into a specific version only my reseller can update?

 

Use NVIDIA GeForce experience to update drivers. You will always be up to date straight from nvidia. Downloading them manually for some reason won’t work right now


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Brother @Papusan , I found this video tutorial regarding use of DDU and safe mode to resolve the issue of W10 incompatibility. Is this the recommended approach for installing NVIDIA drivers, even on this system, when W10 objects:



@HaloGod2012 did you try this approach? I really don't like the idea of GeForce experience telling me when I have to install a new driver. I used that in the past, and will disrupt what I'm doing right in the middle of it.

 

Geforce just notifies you, it won’t install anything without you doing it. You can even remove the reminders and auto checks if you want to manually check when a new one is released. Easy and works


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Use NVslimmer to installed the latest drivers and avoid all the crapware from nvidia like telemetry and so on

And it's easier to open the guru3d.com site and check if there is a new driver instead of installing crapware

 

NBR have a thread for this.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...date-your-nvidia-graphics-card-driver.809165/

See also Brother @j95 mods http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-206#post-10866710

 

Thank you, Sir! I've bookmarked the one thread. The modified driver files are smaller than the NVIDIA files. Is there a description what these modded files provide vs the stock files?

 

Less bloat and drivers modded for graphics cards not launched for the model.

 

I'm kindly asking if anyone with the P870TM-R 9900K could perform some thermals for prime95 or any cpu burning software so we can have an idea of what we can expect.

 

wow i dont even know where to start counting all the factors that have an impact on cpu temps ambient temp, lidded/delidded, thermal paste used, dust accumulation, system propped up or not, external cooler being used or not, cpu bin (Vcore at stock clocks), stress tool and settings being used, stress test duration, temperature monitoring tool being used, good/bad heatsink fit, thermal paste application....

change any one of those factors and ull get completely different results

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Also what version of prime95 too!

 

haha yes i intended to cover that part by "stress tool and settings", sorry if that wasn't clear

 

Sounds like you are both rocking too many scientific degrees.

 

it's an egghead convention! but we still believe in Prema Magic, nevertheless!

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419.35 drivers added today, can we expect gsync added for the 3K panel? I can’t install till tonight. @Prema @Johnksss


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I have already tested... NVIDIA pissed out for gtx 10xx is almoust 15% performance down. Wtf?

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Still no gsync for the 3K panel with today’s drivers. If the next driver doesn’t have it, I’m going to have to return this to HID since I can’t game without it


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Alright, lets simplify this. Can someone execute powerMAX ( https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/powermax.html) on a p870tm-r 9900k and specify if you have modified the original HID setup. I can extrapolate from there. I just want a reference point.

Oh, I don't care about the GPU test. Just the CPU SSE and AVX test for 5 minutes.

 

hmmm havent heard of powermax before, wonder if this is more similar to linpack/p95 avx or maybe aida64 stress test. im guessing the latter ^^

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Go ahead and handle that @jaybee83.

Burn up your cpu for the sake of the NBR team!

 

Because burning a mobo and a 9900k is too mainstream

 

so im guessing more like p95 avx, after all then eh?

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I was just messing with ya.

Not even sure what that program will do, but this looks like a job for @Papusan . He has bookmarks to everything up under the sun!

 

Is anyone seriously doing regular AVX workloads on a laptop? I am genuinely asking, I don't know, but with the power it hogs and the heat it generates, it seems like something better suited to a desktop with proper cooling.

 

I don't use this tool.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/stress-test-cpu-pc-guide,5461-5.html

 

over here! *raises hand* doing regular video transcoding on the cpu with AVX on my laptop thats why i always include AVX enabled p95 1344K stress testing when tuning for stable cpu clocks

on this note, looks like i need to slightly downclock the 9900K in my machine for everyday operation, but at least i can raise the cache to 4.3 ghz before my VRMs start to give out on me

 

Well, I don't game on my laptop, I work with it. I need power and the software I use does take advantage of AVX.

The goal here is to have an idea of the thermals in extreme conditions. This will give me an idea of what to expect.

 

Yeah, me either.

I do not think anyone can run that at say the 9900K's base turbo speed of 4.7 Ghz for very long, before being dropped to 46/45/44/43/42/41/ and so on and others to the base of 3.6. I tested this using handbrake, which is also considered real world testing

 

true dat, the VCore/power/heat requirements stay relatively stable going from 4.0 to 4.6 ghz all core and then start to climb pretty steeply at 4.7 ghz and above...

 

Lets say you buy binned cpu's from Case King... Whatever bin you buy (4.8-5.2GHz). Der8auer recommend that you put an AVX negative offset of at least 3 Bin. And he talk about water cooled setup.
Run stock 9900K 4.7GHz on all cores without AVX offset in mentioned loads and this in an laptop is the fool mans idea.

 

Powermax is horrible on 16 hyperthreaded AVX threads, because of memory access. It uses up less power than Powermax with AVX disabled.
The guy helping with the development of prime95 29.5 and 29.6 says that AVX threads only have 2 memory lanes (whatever that means).
So I'm guessing that 16 hyperthreaded AVX threads just wind up conflicting with each other once you pass the 128k FFT range. If you test AVX or FMA3 below the 128K FFT range, then all 16 threads have CPU access.

4.7 ghz, cache 4.4 ghz, HT enabled, bios voltage 1.20v (Loadline calibration=Turbo), CPU on-die sense load voltage 1.150v.

125 amps, 144 watts (AVX)
128 amps, 146 watts (SSE2).

For comparison:
Prime95 29.6 build 6: FMA3 15K fixed: 184 watts, 162 amps.

Good game.