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There's this magical number for Maxwell gpus 1500/8000, but not possible without "Prema touch", hehe)

If NV states they cherry picked those GTX980 for laptops i'm prepared to see some high-asic chips, at least at low 70% mark and up. Of course, asic quality doesn't necessarily transfer to high overclock, but it means that GPU needs much less voltage for stable overclocking, which is way to crucial for laptop users (heat, power supply limitations)

 

Yeah I've noticed that. 1400-1500 is usually the limit. Mobile 980s (the 180W/200W versions) have a +700MHz core allowance, though no voltage or temperature adjustment allowance (retarded vBIOS I swear, who the hell made that for an enthusiast?) so you don't NEED a prema touch to get 1500/8000... but you want it.

They actually said they DIDN'T cherry-pick; just made sure it'll fit in the form factor.

 

yeah theyre kinda weird about that....they say they didnt bin the chips, but rather "carefully selected them by hand", where exactly is the difference there?

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Don't associate ASIC with overclocking potential. Higher ASIC = lower voltage due to higher quality silicon but it does not translate to higher overclocks. Higher ASIC chips can most likely run on lower stock voltage at the maximum clock. For example if you have two cards that both can hit 1500MHz core but one is 62% and the other is 72% you will most likely be able to undervolt the 72% card more than the 62% and still remain stable at the same 1500MHz core clock but the only guarantee is that nVidia has threshold levels for voltage based on ASIC that are correlated with "acceptable" leakage. Overclocking and undervolting are separate matters entirely.

 

Those are already gone in what I am looking at!

 

Prema, you're just waiting for 4K 120Hz panels to show up to shove two full GP104 cards in your P870DM aren't you?

 

You'll need the internal wiring for eDP 1.4a for that.

 

You got voltage adjustment unlocked in the full GM204? Nice!

 

"We don't have voltage control as part of our API so you don't have access to that on mobile cards" - nVidia
"Yeah I have voltage control working on nVidia's new GPU that's so new it might still be unreleased" - @Prema
*too busy overvolting/overclocking 580Ms/680Ms/780Ms/880Ms/980Ms that "don't support overvolting because mobile driver APIs don't have it" to care that nVidia says the cards cannot overvolt* - @Mr. Fox @johnksss @jaybee83 @Papusan etc

This is basically NBR in a nutshell

 

It was just that last I checked you couldn't undervolt a 980M with his mod so that's awesome he already unlocked it for the new 980.

 

not yet@980M, but @Prema mentioned that hed include it in his vbios mods at some later point in time. for now, his priorities will understandably be focussed on the phoenix and the 980 though

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We both know why maxwell can't really be undervolted. But nVidia's words were that voltage control (at all) is not supported by their API for mobile cards of any kind. Which is false, since a vBIOS flag is all that's necessary. If their driver API couldn't support it, it wouldn't work at all.

 

Maxwell can be undervolted if you set each boost table entry to a fixed voltage but yeah I get your point. I'm curious to see how much of an overclock people get out of these because between Gentech with their MSI preview and an MSI at the nVidia press event that both hit 1400MHz at stock voltage these chips appear to be crazy binned.

 

nVidia said they weren't binning them, though apparently making sure they WILL work (probably preventing 880M disaster again?). 970s and 980s hitting between 1400MHz and 1500MHz on core when OCing is generally accepted as normal, but also the top-out point for those cards. If they got it to average 1400MHz, I'd say "that's normal" as well.

 

The voltage is much lower on the cards in the MSI machines than your average desktop card though.

 

Of course they are binning these chips. An average GM204 doesn't run @ 1500Mhz with just 0.975v:

 

975mv lol. Most desktop 980s can't even full it off at 1.2v, definitely highly binned chips.

 

Wonder how'd they clock at 1.2v

 

I guess i'll have to find out at some point

 

well well meaker, turning your back on titan x and gs30?

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No, I'll have both please

 

simply daisy chain seven converters and eight 330 watt power bricks, miniaturize five of those and put one on every cpu and gpu

 

Well 3 330w bricks would do the job I suppose, it's more the falk lift truck 6ou need to move the thing.

 

nah, in your case a simple old rusty bicycle is more than enough @Meaker @joyful brick-ride

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I think XMG took the new toy and ran away to the circus

 

Speaking of which...

Does that actually work? Two 330W bricks on one converter then plugging that converter and another 330W brick in another converter? Does the board shut off or can it take it? Does the load split correctly?

 

It does not really matter as no laptop has ever been able to exceed what two 330W bricks can give.

 

seems like this B173ZAN1.0 does have around 100% NTSC gamut
94% is pretty close I'd say, much like v4 from years ago


also this thing will have 2 different cooling modules because of the new card slot...

 

HI，I just didn't get it, what do you mean "binning", is that means pinking more perfect chips out? Sorry, my English is not very well~~LOL

 

yes

 

Two mobile 980s + 6700K with heavy OCs might get pretty close =D.

 

Nah a 4930k at 4.4ghz and 2x 980m power and volt modded still had room.

 

hmmm....in my calculations, with two of my 980Ms with identical max. oc i would get to approx. 480W with my current setup. thats 180W per gpu + 80W cpu + 40W rest of the system. lets say ure able to do similar overclocks on a sli 980 setup with 120W gpus. that would then be 120W +80% (according to 980M being 100W +80% at max thus 180W) = 216W per card x 2 = 432W + 80W cpu + 40W rest of system = 552W crazy stuff, but meaker is right, still not getting dangerously close to tripping the 2x330W setup

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I could get the Clevo P370SM with i7-4810MQ and 970M SLI 16gb DDR3 for arround 2000,- euro / $2288,- dollars.
I want a good screen also for Photograp editing and gaming for sure. i had a Alienware 17 R2 2015 model which I have
just returned. Batman 2.0 looks great to.

 

P370 EM with Haswell? You mean P370SM, right? What with HDD/SSD's? Do you have to get them separately? If yes, then you could go as well with the Batman 2.0.

 

Your absolutely right my bad. Just looked on CEG-HardcodeCustom and damn even better deal for the P375SM-A with SLI GTX 980M and i7 4810MQ 16GB DDR3 2133 for about 2400/2500 euros or $2731/$2845. And I have some SDD's from Evo 850 lying arround. The speeds of the Harddrive does not matter to much to me. But the design of the P870 darn it's a Beauty!

Specs from CEG Clevo P375SM-A not 120hz and no Harddrive:

CLEVO P375SM GTX 9 GEN
Price: 2 465,87 €
Category: CLEVO 17.3 INCH
Options: DISPLAY LED TECHNOLOGY: 17.3 FHD 1920x1080 Non-Glare
GRAPHICS CARD - NVIDIA SLI - MXM 3.0B: 2x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 8GB GDDR5 SLI 685,44 €
PROCESSOR 4 GEN. FCPGA946 PROMO: i7-4810MQ 6MB 2.70-3.70 GHz 4C/8T TDP 47W
MEMORY RAM 4x SO-DIMM DDR3L 1.35V: 16GB 2133MHz CL11 Kingston HyperX Impact Black 63,78 €
OPTICAL DRIVE INTERNAL: DVD Recorder
WIRELESS LAN: Qualcomm Atheros Killer N 1202 Incl. Bluetooth 32,84 €
KEYBOARD LANGUAGE HASWELL: English US
THERMAL PASTE CPU MOBILE: IC Diamond 24 11,90 €
THERMAL PASTE GPU: IC Diamond 24 11,90 €
POWER CORD: Power Cable EU (Type F)
POWER SUPPLY 4-PIN: Power Supply 330W
WARRANTY VIA MANUFACTURER SERVICE CENTER: 24 MONTHS

 

One 330w Brick will pull 400+ watts from the wall without tripping in my experience. Not that it will be as stable but at least it won't be a flat out barrier for those how try to manage to a certain power level.

 

It isn't good to push the adapter to its limits like that though. Eventually the adapter will fail.

 

Its not good for anything to be pushed to the limit but we all talk about overclocking components such as cpu and gpu and thats ok. I am only stating that the adapter wont trip at 330watts as some consern was felt in previous posts so no worries.

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naturally it wont trip at the rated wattage from the wall due to its rated efficiency. at 87% 330w actual load on the psu will register as 330/87*100=379W. add to that some headroom before the psu actually gives out due to safety reasons and yeah, ull be able to see 400+W before it actually starts tripping like a hippie on magic shrooms definitely NOT recommended since that can take ur whole system with it to nirvana!

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@XMG

Im curious, will notebookcheck release a test of your XMG U726 soon?

 

gotta wait until november for it to release so it should still be a few weeks until its reviewed by NBC

 

I think November

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Could you provide some more information about P775DM? I love this laptop! Thank you ! LOL

 

Temp throttle hits once 87c are reached on all stock versions. TDP throttle will probably hit before that on lower wattage versions.
That again is all talking stock only...

Oh, and of course GT80S uses MXM slots, have listed some info here:

http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?t=11083

The P775DMx is still a good month out...

 

So... basically it isn't happening on P870DM?

 

We are playing with one for a while now...you won't be disappointed.

 

sorry...what does "a good month out" mean, is that a couple of months later?

 

It means that it takes a minimum of one full month until actual units come in.

 

@Prema Are you sure M980s are binned chips?
cuz i'm pretty sure on hasee's P870 display unit the asic is just 65