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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

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    I was tempted to replace them myself seeing as how the paste job was abysmal and the pads do seem quite squashed considering
     
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    Maybe not one for the 1080 owners...
     
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    If Clevo would allow fan control from 10% to 100% using individual hotkeys ( f1 - f10 for example) ..we could choose the quietest constant fan speed balanced with the coolest temperatures for that given db.

    Custom fan is ridiculous as you cant adjust the curve really. Just start and stop and max.
    Overclock is a mad crazy undecided fan control method.
    Its like they almost have the idea right but are avoiding manual curve adjustments.
     
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    They are probably trying to avoid too many laptoppys coming back due to overheating, but it would make things so much better for us if they would just allow us to use those laptopys at their full power and in our ideal usage scenarios.
     
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    @Meaker@Sager @Ted@HIDevolution @Donald@HIDevolution @XMG

    Who can help me get a screen replacement for P775, with a 75Hz LG FHD screen, but is able to test it before sending against dead pixels, and ships to Romania? I need it ASAP.

    I'm mostly curious who can offer this, as I had one changed already, second came again with one dead pixel in the center of the display, first had two dead pixels.

    Need one that is tested for at least one hours of work before it's sent, and also fits P775.

    I appreciate fast answer and if all goes well.

    Thank you.

    P.S. - Same question for other panels, I want to know who can test panels and sell them with a 100% certainty that they don't have dead pixels.
     
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  8. Hadriel

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    Damn that's real unfortunate for you. Hope something good pans out for you.

    I'm waiting for my laptop to be built. Hope no bad pixels :/

    Hadriel
     
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    @bsch3r tried it on his 870DM3, not sure by how many dB the ASUS fan is more quiet. Check my signature for the details.
     
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    It's also cooling less too. Warranties will certainly be voided by running them but that should be obvious to people.
     
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    I paid the $70 eurocom charged for zero bad pixel guarantee. It was worth it. Otherwise they allow like almost 20 pixels to be a combination of dead, stuck and some other ridiculous classification. Like 6/6/7.
     
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    When something breaks just reattach the original fans and off to the service center you go :D

    Though I don't think a 4-5c increase will break anything.
     
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    I wish I had the option to pay for no dead pixels now :(

    Let's just hope that one of the resellers can sell me a panel that works and has no dead pixels and will be within reasonable price.

    Man, does this feel bad and frustrating :mad:
     
  14. Tony Palmer

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    well it's happened again. All of a sudden my cpu temps are going crazy, this will be the 2nd repaste where it's lasted a week or so then completely changed. I'm very tempted to try liquid metal just to see if its the paste crapping out on me, btw my cpu is set to 40 across the cores with a -110 undervolt. Hitting almost 90 degrees with nothing running is not my idea of happy especially with fans firing up and down constantly as cpu fluctuates temperatures like crazy.

    edit. Just as a bit of background after pasting it was idling high 20's low 30's now it won't idle below 40 minimum.
     
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    You need to delid to get any reasonable temps on the 6700K.

    Use FN+1 fan to see if it helps you.
     
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    I really can't be running full fans nonstop the sound alone makes having a portable machine pointless (my wife is asleep next to me for example can't be running 100% fans just to play FM16). Delid will void my warranty which I'm not prepared to void just only 1 month into it. I bought a "better" paste but the results are not lasting .

    edit- even running a -150 undervolt and downclocking to 3.5ghz the cores aren't going below 40 while even just on this single chrome window. I'm also on a laptop cooler which is just ridiculous
     
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    PMing you about this.
     
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    You have to mod the fan power cable in a rather obvious manner.
     
  19. Tony Palmer

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    I think the people I bought from would be quite particular about the warranty. They have no problems with re-pasting and opening the case however a delid/relid will more than likely be noticed and if I have to mod power cables to add quieter fans they will realise. I wonder if I've just been sold dud paste? I'm tempted to honestly try something else before a delid becomes the option
     
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    ssh, keep it quiet!
     
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    lol I am going to buy some liquid metal and try that. I agree a delid and relid using liquid metal instead of the stock paste would help just not confident enough to do myself.
     
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    What are you doing with you delid your core i5-6600k?
     
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    Any news on a possible 120hz screen for the 15" model?
     
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    We should see 120Hz 15.6" FHD panels coming from LCD vendors early next year. Not sure yet if they will support G-Sync.
     
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    Do you know when the 1440p gsync will be in stock?
     
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    Did you apply enough paste? Those temperatures shouldn't happen, even with toothpaste... Maybe your cooler isn't manufactured well and you simply need more paste! Give it a try. You can't apply to much paste and get the results you have. ;)
     
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    What paste are you using? Try IC Diamond...



    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
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    I applied a little more than usual to ensure coverage. I've no idea why it is fine for a while then goes bad? quite frustrating. I'm very tempted to get a delid done by a professional.


    I am using gelid extreme
     
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    I've repasted again immediately temps are low and steady. The paste had gone almost solid and there are marks on the heatsink. Cleaned with articclean and gelid extreme used again. Contact for the heatsink is good and thermal pads look solid. Suppose I'll have to give it another week and see how this goes. Failing that I think I'll be contacting the sellers and seeing what they offer
     
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    Guys. I've purchased one of these with a 6700k and gtx 1080. Does anyone have a similar configuration and if so how are the temps?

    Read a review earlier that said they are bad and cause crashing during extended periods of gaming, so slightly worried now!
     
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    Bad temps yes, crashing I havent experienced.
     
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    The machine comes pasted with Arctic Silver 5 and I will probably run with FPS locked to 75, can you see that improving temps?
     
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    Yes that helps a lot as I don't think there is anything that a 6700k and gtx 1080 can't run above 75fps at 1080p at the moment at least :)
    If you read back through the last few pages you will see that there are 2 things that really help temps. First is undervolting - you can do the cpu in the clevo control centre and the gpu in the latest version of msi afterburner.
    Secondly is the fan profile - the options are limited but the 'overclock' option in the clevo control centre gives good cooling.

    Doing the above I am now never seeing either gpu or cpu hitting 80 degrees C when benchmarking or playing on my 3440 x 1440 100hz monitor and barely over 70 degrees when playing games capped at 75fps on the laptop 1080p screen - even very taxing games like the division. If you can keep the temps under 80 degrees the noise is fine too.
    Also making sure there is some room for air flow underneath helps a lot! I see about 4 degrees difference between flat on a desk vs the back propped up by a couple of centimetres.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    That helps massively.

    Temps are something that really worry me. I even considered cancelling my order and going for a Alienware 17 R4 with the 6820 and 1070 instead.
     
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    All you ultimately get from buying an Alienware is that you have a laptop that cannot be customised at all. The P775's ex-factory heat issues may be pretty intimidating at first, but at least you can beat it into submission. Especially when you're going for a less taxing config anyway.
     
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    I know what you are saying but ultimately all I wanted to do was unbox and play.

    Having to adjust voltages and repasting after paying £2000+ for a machine is unacceptable in my opinion.

    Fortunately the company i have purchased off apply AS5 as standard. I can be convinced to drop voltages if needs be.
     
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    I wonder is respec'ing the CPU to the 6600K would worthwhile?
     
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    Can you post a screenshot of the changes that you made? I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be doing with all the nodes on this graph editor.
     
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    If you watch the graph while you are under 100% gpu load you can see the process point and get a feel for what voltage you are running at what clock speeds when the temperature and power limits drag it down. You will see that after a bit it drops down to around 975/1000/1050mv and bounces around. So as a good starting point you can drag the 950mv point up to the maximum clock speed that you first saw before it got dragged down - this was probably around 1872/1860mhz and will take around 100mhz increase and will limit your gpu voltage to that figure. You can check for stability here (should be fine as it is only like doing a small overclock) and should see a reasonable drop in gpu temperature and then move down to the next voltage to reduce temps even further and so on.
     
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    It is quite dynamic so getting a sense of exactly what is going on when playing with the curve can be tricky.

    If you have the voltage/frequency curve open in msi afterburner (ctrl + f) it points out where on the curve it currently is.
     
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    You can absolutely just unbox and play, it's just it will run hot.
    If you play vsync'd at 75fps and leave it in the automatic fan profile mode in the clevo control centre with no undervolting then I wouldn't expect the temps to go over 90 degrees and there would be no throttling. Even with an unlocked framerate and the temps getting into the high 90s and throttling you probably wouldn't notice a significant drop in performance playing a game - although the fans would go to 100% and it would be very loud.
    I think just because of the kind of people who go out of their way to buy a laptop with unlocked desktop cpu and gpu will try to get low temps and look to get maximum performance at all times and a lot of us here have been trying to work out the best way to achieve it.

    I don't believe that laptops from MSI, Asus etc... would be any different and people just don't notice because it doesn't really effect gameplay in normal use. I saw a review of the MSI GT83VR 6820K GTX1080 SLI and after firestrike had cpu and both gpu temps in the 90s - the reviewer said it looked good. I told one of my mates about how happy I was now that I had my gpu under 80 degrees even in worst case scenario and he said he thought that still sounded too hot. He has a 1440p 144hz gsync monitor and a reference GTX 980ti - I told him his gpu temp would always be at 83 degrees and throttling, he said had never checked......

    So I don't think this laptop is that bad out of the box compared to others, it can just be made a lot better.
     
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    And you expect Alienware will run cool out of the box? +93C degrees from processor in a simple Firestrike bench. Oh"well :confused: I know it's from Aw15R3, but don't expect miracles from Aw17R4.
     
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    I wish they sold the P870DM-3 with a single 1080 in the UK!

    I am selling my P870DM with a GTX980 for all this trouble.
     
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    How would the GTX 1060 equipped version perform with a 4K screen in games? Should I cash out and get a 1070 one? I'm considering giving it to my girlfriend in a few months and buy a newer SLI version in spring 2017.

    I'm getting it from PCSpeciliast but with 4gb ram and upgrading it myself to 32gb 2400mhz. Will be using for games, development and graphics design.
     
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    1070 is around 2x faster than the 1060 (core performance only)

    it has a massively superior memory bandwidth to add, plus the 2gb extra vram
     
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    I ordered my SKU from Notebookguru, one of Germany's more infamous retailers, but they were the only one that actually had a single-GPU SKU on offer (I was initially gonna wait for EvolutionX, because they were a Prema partner for the previous 870 model, but they don't even have the Pascal models listed yet). Things are usually never as bad as they're made out to be, especially on the internet, so I'm not letting the *****ing discourage me; plus, I'm eventually gonna customise the **** out of my machine anyway, so screw warranty and any issues that may or may not come with that.
     
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    Thanks, dude.

    And would you say it is a good move to fork out another 800 GBP (approx. 1000 USD) to move from P775DM3-G with a single GTX 1070 GPU to a similar spec'ed P870DM3-G model with a dual GTX 1070 SLI (i5-6600K, 32Gb 2400Mhz, SM961 256Gb)?
     
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    Why save on the processor? Rather save on the NVMe ssd. + go for single 1080 and the vapor chamber. Upgrade with a second 1080 later if needed :cool:
     
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    Those people who have single GTX 1080 in P870 are really happy, aren't them?
     
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    I would preferred 1080 Sli. And noisy isn't a problem for me. I prefer P.O.W.E.R :cool: But yeah. People are happy with single 1080 in P870DM2/3 :) Probably the best single graphics laptop you can get.
     
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