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    *** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    Looks like all ok ;)
    The 4790k temp is also ok for stock.
     
  2. tanzmeister

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    what TIM have you used cpu? your 4790k has not been delided , right?
     
  3. Meaker@Sager

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    It's always handy to include the compare link to help check out all parts of the score.
     
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  4. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    Some news from me :D
    Today i checked the contact from the CPU Heatspreader and Heatsink.
    I found that the Heatspreader is not realy flat and the thermalpaste has on 1/6 no contact to the Heatsink :eek:
    So i flat it again with 1400 Sandpaper and polish again.
    Now the Heatsink is 99% flat and has perfect contact to the Heatsink.
    I decided to use Phobya Liquit Metall on the Heatspreader of the CPU and GPU.
    Also i changed the stock Thermalpads to Alphacool Eisschicht 14W/mk.

    For testing i run a 30min Benchmark of Dirt Ralley with very high settings and G-Sync on.
    CPU @ 4.0Ghz and GPU @ stock. Yes 4,0ghz thats enough for this Game with 75hz G-Sync :p

    Before i do this new Mods i reach 38c GPU and 46c CPU with max Fans and 20c Room Temp.
    Now i have 35c GPU and 41c CPU with max fan :D
    Of course with my Watercooling Mod!

    Ps. I have only paste the liquid Metall on the Heatspreader with a thin layer, because the Spreader and Heatsink are now perfect flat :rolleyes:
    Unbenannt.PNG

    Tomorrow i will check the Temps with XTU @ 4,5ghz and 4,7ghz.

    Ps2. my CPU now in idle @ 4,0Ghz without Aircooling only Watercooling round about 25-29c :D
    Ps3. I forgot to say that i changed my Watercooling System ;)
    New 280er Radi with 2x 140mm Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B14-2 Bionic 900U/min.
    Ultra Silent @ 10V with my L M2596 DC-DC Step Down Spannungswandler Schaltregler.
    It´s not a beauty but it´s work :cool:

    IMG_20151223_223524.jpg IMG_20151223_223542.jpg
     
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  5. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    So here the temps with XTU

    xtu45ghz-59c.PNG
    20min XTU run @4,5Ghz with max 59c

    xtu47-68c.PNG
    20min XTU run @4,7Ghz with max 68c

    You can see my old Temps in my signature.
    A real flat Heatspreader and Liquid Ultra on it give me 8c better Temp.

    xtu49-76c-window.PNG
    And here my final score at the moment.
    20min XTU run @4,9Ghz with max 76c (with open Window ;) )

    I tryed the 5Ghz to but even with 120mv more than for 4,9ghz it´s not stable and windows reboot.
    Changed Voltage for Input, Cache etc. but i don´t find the right settings.
    The Temp for 5Ghz and above is not the problem but finding the right settings :confused:
    5ghz setting.PNG

    My wish for X-Mas is beat @ ajc9988 5,1Ghz :p
     
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  6. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    My Christmas wishes were fulfilled :rolleyes:

    5,0Ghz with HWBOT Prime
    5,0ghz.JPG
    http://hwbot.org/submission/3073979_chrack_hwbot_prime_core_i7_4790k_6275.49_pps

    5,1Ghz with HWBOT Prime
    5,1ghz.JPG
    http://hwbot.org/submission/3073987_chrack_hwbot_prime_core_i7_4790k_6347.86_pps

    More about 5,1Ghz is not working perhaps with alot of "fein Tuning" the Voltages.
    But my target is reached ;)
    5Ghz and above is only benchstable (starting Windows, use some Programms)
    XTU stresstest and other stresstest make BSOD after 3min!

    @ ajc9988 do you reach 5,2Ghz :p
     
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    When you are taking it to the limit like this is when the paste application and a perfect heatsink fit really show the biggest differences.
     
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  8. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    Yes you are right ;)

    BTW:
    I have totaly forgotten to make XTU Bench @ 4,5ghz under air cooling only.
    Roomtemp 21-22c

    45xtu-air.PNG
    70c max after 20min xtu
    Thats 7c better than my other old run with 77c from here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-to-the-batcave.767105/page-813#post-10086777

    47xtu-air.PNG
    4,7ghz with max 86c und air only.

    So we can say, flating and polish the HIS again and change Thermalpaste to Liquid Ultra gives me about 7c better temp like before @ 4,5ghz.
     
  9. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I've done 5.2 on some. Check out my hwbot and I'll check my screen shots later today... But nice job!!! Now sit in the ice cold and do it!!!
     
  10. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    hehe, ice cold?
    Here is +16c outside and the sun is shining :cool:

    You have done 5,2 :eek:
    Perhaps you can show me your settings with xtu screen? Later the Day or so ;)
     
  11. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I just rechecked, I didn't get 5.2 stable. I ran the easier benches, but it crashed before saving in MS Paint. So, you've hit what I have when it was -5C outside here!
     
  12. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    Ah ok the same with me.
    5,2 boot in windows but with light benches like HWBOT Prime it crashed.
    I think there is alot of Voltage Tuning like right Cache, Input, System Agent, Uncore ect...
    But without Prime95 to check the right Voltage it is more than gambling.

    Perhaps the CPU need for 5,1 and above alot more Vcore because the sweetspot is reached.
    But we have 5,1Ghz reached in a Notebook!!!! Thats :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    It's most important to get the input voltage, cache, and core right. You'll have to switch all to manual to get it dialed in. Cache and uncore should be about the same. System agent offset should be the offset to the input voltage, so leave it alone and set the input voltage manually (should be at least 300-500 mV over core according to internet knowledge). The digital and analog work with the dmi/pch for ram and pci stability, so don't mess with it yet. Make sure you up the turbo boost max and current limit as without increasing these, I found power limit throttle trying to dial in 5.2. Hit up the better desktop oc manuals in overclock forums. Hope that helps.
     
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  14. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

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    Yes i know to set the voltage to manual.
    With auto the voltage are to high and can damage something.

    Will try tomorow a New run with 5.2 but as i said its hard to find the right voltages
     
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    drdameon Notebook Enthusiast

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    Anyone else having this issue?

    When I press the power button to boot into the system, the power light comes on, the CPU indicator flashes momentarily, and then cuts out. I get no backlight on the monitor, however the keyboard lighting does come on. I can hear some humming, perhaps the HDD, but nothing else. I've tried restarting it, I've taken the RAM out and put them in different slots, and tried it with only 2 slots of the four populated. I've taken the HDD out, and all sorts of other stuffs. I had an issue with coil whine, and intermittently the issue described above, so I sent the PC back to xoticPC to have them look at it (I guess the forwarded it straight to Sager), and a few weeks later, the laptop came back to me EXACTLY as I shipped it off, except the packaging was different.. As if they didn't even look at the machine before sending it back. Now the issue is even worse, as I can't get it to boot up at all.
     
  16. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Did you talk to them about what they had found?
     
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    I contacted XoticPC, and they got in touch with Sager for me. Apparently they couldn't recreate either of the issues, so they didn't do anything at all. Just packed it up and shipped it back to me with a disk containing (apparently) updated drivers. Which is why I was reluctant to RMA it the first time. This time, however, the issue isn't "intermittent" like it was before. I think the motherboard may be dead. But I'm not sure that'll have anything to do with the Coil Whine that I was hearing from the GPU when it was working..xD
     
  18. DaveFromGameaVision

    DaveFromGameaVision Notebook Consultant

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    The heatsink for the P770ZM is the same as the one on the P750ZM right?
     
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  19. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Yes, it is, or should be last I checked. What you'll notice is having to slightly manipulate it very carefully (or at least I did when ordering one).
     
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    What do you mean by manipulate it? Is it just a really close fit that needs a couple adjustments? I was under the impression they were identical since the motherboard is the same between them.
     
  21. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    What I mean is that it needs light adjustments to slide into place. When I got mine, the CPU and gpu plates were slightly too close (like a mm or so). So you may have to LIGHTLY pull them apart, or some simple thing like that. Don't hulk it though!!!

    Edit: that was only one time though. Always check for fit first as yours may slide in like Flynn!##
     
  22. DaveFromGameaVision

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    Great, thanks for the information!

    Gonna try sanding and leveling the new one to drop my temps more. :D
     
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    The answer to this question is probably buried among the 300+ pages here, but I want to ask anyway. Is the NP9772 without a Gsync internal display capable of utilizing Gsync on an external monitor?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Yes, due to the outputs being hooked directly into the dedicated GPU then you can use high refresh rate and G-sync external displays without issue.
     
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    A quick Q: If I upgrade my 4690k to a 4790k, will I need to upgrade my 180w psu?

    My first thought was yes, but both chips are 88W! I dont use any mechanical drives (ssd only) and I dont overclock my 980m.
    Surely the powerdraw is the same or am I missing something?

    PS: I do overclock the 4690k to 4.0Ghz across all four cores, and a small -50mv undervolt.

    System currently is rock solid stable.

    Cheers
    Mick
     
  26. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Hyperthreading can cause a slightly higher use of power, I would for peace of mind.
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    You should be using a 230W PSU before that anyways due to the 980M... I would get a 330W just for overkill and Ocing now that you have a 4790K...
     
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    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    what he said. i hope you meant 230w psu because i don't even think the batman has a 180w compatible psu. i planned on undervolting my machine so 230w probably would've been plenty but otoh, knowing power supplies, getting more than you need is always good for the system in the long run. i would just keep the 230w if you don't do any overclocking for the portability.

    btw, man the batman is awesome. my year warranty is almost up, my 1600mhz samsung 4x8GB modules are in my parents mailbox, thinking about flashing prema's bios so i can undervolt gpu and overclock the new ram without adding any voltage. overclocking ram requires more patience than overclocking anything else so i hope i get good modules. wasn't patient enough to get the g.skill 1600mhz rock solid stable @1866 and 2133 was very hard to stay on long enough to do anything meaningful.

    btw, how much do you all think i can get for my 4x8GB sticks of 1600mhz g.skill?
     
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    Oops my bad, I was thinking about my last laptop. My psu is 230W and it came with the laptop 4690k config.

    It's just when I was comparing cpu specs I noticed the power draw looked the same.

    The machines performance is superb, can't believe I've had it nearly a year! Sometimes I wonder if there is a better screen option? It's currently the 40 pin lvds chi mei.
     
  30. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    The 90% gamut 17.3" AUO in the best on that interface if you can find it.
     
  31. ronaldheld

    ronaldheld Notebook Deity

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    really trivial but how do you get the keyboard backlight to stay white versus blue?
     
  32. Samot

    Samot Notebook Evangelist

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    Flexikey aplication. Installed with Control centre/hotkey.
     
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    You cannot use the backlight keyboard utility(Fn /) to do the job?
     
  34. Samot

    Samot Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes, that opens Control Center. Go to the "Gaming" section and you´ll see Flexikey on the right side. Click it and Flexikey opens. Select the "backlight" tab, and voilá, customize it as you wish.
     
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    It always boots on blue but yes the control application should start up with windows and set your preferences.
     
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    Thanks Samot and Meaker. I will try it out.
     
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    Samot Notebook Evangelist

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    Misread you earlier. Fn/ takes you directly to the flexikey application. ;)
     
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    abower911 Newbie

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    Upon ordering the 9772 I chose the m2. 512gb ssd main drive, and the 1TB Sata secondary drive - if I remember correctly, I can still add another m2 drive and another 2.5''

    Can someone confirm that for me?
     
  39. Samot

    Samot Notebook Evangelist

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    That's correct.
     
  40. Support.1@XOTIC PC

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    Yes, two total m.2 slots in that computer.
     
  41. martastic

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    Hello everybody.
    So i ran into this major issue with my laptop just an hour ago. What i did before everything went down was overclock my gpu 150clock/400mem. , played a little bit of armored warfare, quitted the game, temps were fine, decided to go into bios to turn off turbo until after restart the monitor decided to not to show picture for me anymore. Nothing. It seems that it wont boot up into windows. I tried resetting cmos without anyluck. I removed the gpu to see if it for some reason will boot up without it, but still had no improvements.
    Also im running this with both vbios and bios changed with premamod.
    Please , any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks!
    I
     
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    Were you using evga precision to overclock?
     
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    Yes
     
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    martastic Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well it seems that it boots into windows afterall, My custom keyboard lights went on. But still no display.
     
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    So i did some reading from the page you sent me (thank you for that by the way) and if i understood correctly my display is probably corrupted (it has something to do with the EDID that got messed up due to evga if i´m not mistaken).Alsou i´m fairly certain that my computer boots up into windows even though i cant see anything, so would that be fair to assume that i might get the picture through external display? Unfortunately i can´t test that right now so i´m just being curious.
     
  48. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    If you have a HDMI TV, try it out... This crap with precision X is stupid but at least you should be now able to fix it... Prema made something to fix this..
     
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  49. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    AFAIK his fix may not work for every Clevo laptop, only certain models... don't quote me on that, though.
     
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    Hopefully people will move to less risky overclocking software like MSI afterburner or nvidia inspector.
     
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