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I just want to put it out there one more time if anyone has a zm (desktop cpu) model with a 980m and or especially a 970m some game benchmarks and app usage videos or any type of videos for that matter would be very much appreciated. Desktop cpu/970m videos are simply non existent right now and it would be nice to see how the i5/i7 desktop cpu's pair with the 970m or i5 since the only videos found are ones with the 4790k/980m combo.

 

Hey, how about this review here: http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-U505-Clevo-P751ZM-Notebook.134441.0.html

Why do you want a video? I am not into making videos, sorry. But maybe we can provide you with some informations, if you need something special.

 

Speaker isn't blown, I know what that sounds like, it's like something is buzzing, like when a hair is on a driver in your headphone. Try and use some airblower duster can later this week.

Is there a way to remove the speaker grill easily?

 

could @ ajc9988 or @Meaker pm me ?(i cannot find the pm button,ik dun judge me) and id have alot of dumb questions that id rather not ask here(i like their avatar best,against dont judge).plox?

 

You need 5 post before being able to send or receive PM's. Once you get that you should be albe to send them one shortly after.

 

oh,thanks,that explains it.and this would be my 5th xD

 

Well now I am just curious to know what questions you would be embarrassed to ask haha. We all start somewhere I would worry about looking like an idiot.

 

Sorry for being gone, but as Bender would say, "I'm back baby!"

If using Prema's bios, there is a specific setting that requires being turned on for NVMe. I need to look whether this was for PCIe or Sata or if it is just in that specific menu. More on this after I reboot (exploring the new features of Win 10 build 1061).

As for this, I'd definitely recommend switching to UEFI. This is my first machine to utilize it, but I am impressed with it. Now whether Windows 7 could fully utilize the speeds of the NVMe drive, eh... From playing, I would say it seems that although windows 7 can use UEFI, it's driver interface doesn't seem as efficient as Win 8 or 10. Personally, it was a headache to get the bios settings down to install Win 7 in UEFI with the minimal setting using legacy under CSM (hint - you only need graphics set to legacy to upgrade win 7 to sp1, and I had that and the one immediately after set to legacy for Win7 install; after that, set all to UEFI only, but you will need CSM on with secure boot disabled (at least on my rig; I'll verify with the new settings in a minute)). That said, definitely consider Win 10 if you don't like Win8 or 8.1. It is entirely worth it (even with the bugs of beta)!

 

@ajc9988 Welcome back, I'm glad to see you endorse 10. 8.1 has been meh for me so far, and I wasn't sure what I wanted to do when I get my machine back in a week or so.

Do you have any preliminary results for performance across the different os? I could learn to live with 8.1 if it isn't handicapping the hardware as much as the others. I feel like you mentioned something about the three before, but I can't recall the results clearly.

 

How baked is it? I'm wouldn't mind blowing away my win 7 install on my current laptop to try it out, and ideally, I'd go straight to Win 10 on my new one.

 

I wouldn't use it if you need rock solid stability for work or something like that. I would for gaming, etc. It has known issues.
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...-technical-preview-build-10061-now-available/

If any of these are going to be an issue, then hold off. Alternately, you can run it as a virtualization or on another partition. I was hoping to be able to once I was OC to test. What I'll do is run it through it's stock paces and put the numbers from each that result.

As for the issues I've had, they have a feedback button to do it immediately with screenshot.

 

Thanks for the feedback. As I don't use it for work, and I have my trusty desktop if I run into problems, I think I'll give it a go. In the next few weeks, I'll be getting a new laptop, and parting out/selling the old one, so I'll need to blitz everything on the drives anyway.

 

It's free just now so you could dual boot.

 

There's no limitation in the Windows 7 architecture and/or driver model. It's just a regular PCIe device.
If you have a PCIe v3.0 x4 slot to connect the NVMe drive you will get full performance.
You will need a NVMe driver because Windows 7 doesn't have one pre-installed.
The Microsoft driver[1] may do but I would prefer the manufacturer's driver.

[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2990941/en-us

 

I found the nvme setting in the bios. It's in the Intel rapid start settings. I also agree the manufacturer's drivers are best to use.

 

What setting is that? What happens if you don't enable it?

 

Because RST is for waking quicker from sleep states, I would venture to guess it affects driver loading position or changes how the driver saves the pages to the ssd due to the NVMe. Other than that, not much.

 

I guess if you are not going to hibernate/sleep the laptop that setting will have no effect on regular operation.
Is it really necessary?

 

I doubt it would be essential.

 

Uu pre hehe..

Ano experience mo sa np772? Hindi ba mainit ang temps ng cpu under gaming load? Im concerned kasi sa long term baka kako hindi tatagal kasi prating under high temps xa nakita ko kasi hitting 90s c xa kapag gaming eh. Im torn kasi nito or si asus g751 980m. Malaki ba tlga diffeence in raw gaming power ang cpu between the 2?

 

Is that tagalog?

 

Yes it is tagalog.

U understand my concern about the clevo p770zm?

 

Sorry. I didn't get it.

 

Dammit UPS messing up my delivery. Two days ago it was in Denmark, 1 hours drive from me. Then they ship it by truck all across my country to Finland where it will sit over the weekend. ETA Tuesday..

Bonus: There´s a 95% probability that even though I´ll give them my gate code the driver won´t have or see it and will drop it at the airport.

I need a stronger Bat Signal.

 

I get mine on Monday so I know how you feel, there was a 50/50 it would come today, oh well.

 

Yeah I can wait. It´s just it was enroute, "In time" for delivery yesterday, and 1 hour from me.
Then they misspack it and truck it 1200 km past my house..

 

Not really. In my limited experience the break even point with SSDs is 8GB physical RAM. More than that and it takes longer to restore the memory dump than it does to cold boot.

 

What I meant was if it's really necessary to change the Intel Rapid Start setting to make the NVMe drive work. Nevermind!

 

Hello

kakukuha ko lang ... wala naman overheating na experience so far... ang gaming ako siguro 7-10 hours wala naman issue sa overheating baka kasi bago pa
tiga US ka ba? dito ko sa LA. yung asus ba "upgradable" ? pag- may issue akong nakita sabihin ko lang sa iyo, pero wala naman

habol ko kasi yun cpu ng sager malakas tapos gpu , gusto ko nga 2 gpu pero ang mahal na, pero sabi naman isang gpu lang daw .... kasi pag dalawa
nag-kakaroon ng issue (static) sa games kasi hinde lahat ng games supported ang 2 gpu

 

Ah, my misunderstanding. Rapid Start is an extra setting that when enabled, along with the Rapid Start software, flushes some I/O buffers from RAM when hibernation is activated so that less data is dumped to disk. Less data dumped, less data to restore when it wakes up, faster wake up. It also slightly reduces SSD wear when hibernating.

So no, not necessary, but it can be a useful feature if you're running Windows 8 because Windows 8's "shutdown" is actually a hibernation state.

 

4790s vs 4790k,both with turbo off,and undervolted within stable parameters,what would be the(approx) temp differences?i know the S runs a bit cooler due to obvious lower clock speeds,but someone mentioned a few pages ago that the K has better heat dissipation.


(one of the more questions to come QwQ)

 

They follow the same frequency vs voltage curve so a 4790k set to the same speed and tdp would perform the same.

 

yes,but what would be the difference in temps between these two,considering one runs at 3.6 and one at 4.0,havent seen many temps posted about the S version in this thread.and is it worth getting teh S in order to gain some better temps(not planning overclocking at all).
also is any kind of bios modding needed ,or installing a custom bios needed in order to undervolt this machine?

 

Yes a higher frequency means higher voltage too so they add together to make it hotter.

However if you limit the k to the speed and tdp of the s it will perform the same dependant on chip to chip variation. They are the same silicon.

 

what about undervolt-bios related question?ive contact an xotic pc consultant and he stated that in order to undervolt i might need some bios mod or something like that,didnt really get the idea.

 

You can do it via XTU on the standard bios I believe.

 

The stock bios allows for undervolting and multiplier changes.it doesn't offer all the options of Prema's bios, but you can do what you need in xtu.

 

That's correct, but the K should be a bit cooler since it features a better TIM (Devils Canyon instead of Haswell).

 

It makes very little difference really, the silicon lottery will have more of an impact.

 

Oh, do you have data on that? I'm interested in it.

 

That just comes through reviews of devil's canyon which were all a bit disappointed.

 

I think a huge portion of this disappointment comes from the pre-release hype of devils canyon where 5 GHz have been promised. And yes, there are haswells that perform better than canyons overclocking-wise, but as you already said, this is the silicon-lottery part.
However, due to the better TIM you will have a better heat transferability. You can not influence the lottery, but you can influence the TIM.

 

what is TIM,if i may ask?

 

Thermal interface material. Also, I'll answer the question later this evening or tomorrow. Taking baseline stock everything benchmarks to throw a table together... That way people can terse the numbers and decide which Windows they want...

 

would it be convenient enough to get the K instead of S and undervolt/underclock it close to the S clock (and increase clock later on if ill need it rather than getting the S and undervolt it?)i read about undervolting on that guide that one of you guys mentioned in this thread somewhere in the early pages(ive spent two weekends browsing this thread),and undervolting seems easy enough for me to try,but i dont know if underclocking is tricky or smth.
im really liking everything about this machine,especially the subtle enough design ,with the sexy vents,and the upgrading options...just really concerned with temps(planning to even get extra copper heatsinks option from xotic pc,and id get gelid but they only got ICD on their options so that should be it for the beginning).also from what i know,laptop cpus are designed to be able to run at higher temps than desktop ones...so.....thats why im being a nagg,asking all sorta newb stuff :\

 

The cooling of the CPU is not really as big of an issue as it seems on this forum. The reason it seems larger than it is is due to the fact that most plan to OC. In order to over clock further you need to increase the thermal headroom of the system cooling. I wouldn't waste my money on the extra copper heat pipes it has been reported by a few users including others that I won't mention that it is basically a gimmick and provides little to no increase in system cooling. Compound that with the fact that you are altering the design of the air passages can actually have a negative effect on the system. As far as thermal paste I would run gelid and do it yourself. It is a very very easy job and for the price you pay for them to do it you get an entire tube which is enough to experiment with it 3-4 times at least.

With that said I think you are overestimating the need to under clock the 4790K. At most if you want to run as cool as possible you can turn off turbo and run at a constant 4.0 ghz and never reach above 60C. The way I look at it you are spending 2 grand on a top of the line computer. Why would you want to bottleneck it with an average processor. I would get the 4790k within a week of playing around you will understand how to properly undervolt and maybe even OC and have a much faster machine. The fact of the matter is with the K you have the "option" to play and learn with the S you don't.

Small OC and under clocking is extremely simple. With XTU you simply lower the multiplier then undervolt to the edge of stability. Very very simple. Don't be afraid to learn. Modern chips are very robust.

 

thans for the reply,kyle.it made me worry so much less about it.cant wait for my birthday now xD (which is 4th july)

 

Ah mabuti nmn.. Cge po paki update nlng kng may issues ka na encounter. Dito ako s bahamas malapit lng s florida sa baba part ng caribean.

With regards to ur query about fhr the asus g751 di nga upgradable yng storage nya yun tlga problema. Pero it comes with bluray na tas 24gb ram and 256gb pcie ssd. Kaya lng yun na ang storage mo 2 slots lng tlga meron either u remove the built in drives and upgrade or u stick with it.

Tinitingnan ko rin si msi gt80 titan kasi may model na cla na single 980m na tas around 2.6k xa. Mas malaki konti screen tas mechanical kb! Astig tlga hehe...

Hindi ba maingay ang fan kapag gaming ka? Issue sa speakers dw nya meron b? Also kumusta nmn ang and aesthetics? Boring ba? Hehe..

 

I don't think many of us can understand your discussion. Could you please switch to English or continue in pm:s. Thank you.

 

I take it you have an issue with your current keyboard?