*** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

Don't expect miracles. The subwoofer in the P17xSM is nothing to write home about. Unfortunately, that may be the case for this model too. At least the other aspects of the speakers have been greatly improved vs the older models. Here's hoping Onkyo have made some changes since the P17xSM.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

From a 2012 NotebookCheck review of the Asus G75VW-T1040V : "Also other gaming notebooks like the MSI GT70 use the 17.3-inch Chi Mei N173HGE display (CMO1720) because of its good image quality. Though the matte surface looks slightly grainy, it is easy to neglect this flaw because of its "inner" values."

Would you agree with the "grainy" assessment, little_one?

I don't know...maybe it's just me, but a reviewer making a comment about "inner" values is a lot like saying beauty is only skin deep. Call me "shallow", but for me, "outer" screen quality is just as important!

 

Google says that this is your panel

CHIMEI INNOLUX N173HGE-L11 Overview - Panelook.com


It it also used in some MSi and ASUS G750JW laptops, most says that the grainy film in front of the screen is too noticeable.


In other news, there's this IPS screen with 1:800 contrast ratio

LG Display LP173WF3-SLB2 Overview - Panelook.com

Ebay around 130usd: HP EliteBook 8760w 17 3" Full HD Laptop Screen LP173WF3 SLB2 | eBay

 

How does the chi mei look?

 

I don't get why all modern displays have the grainy effect. It's not on smartphones and it wasn't on my older laptops. I thought it was a characteristic of matte displays but no, the Sharp 4K glossy screen has it too.

Very odd. Not the end of the world, but would rather it not be there.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

My current BenQ 2430T has an AG display but the grain effect doesn't show/is not noticeable (TN panel).

 

Yes, the hp "dreamcolor" displays. Are they physically compatible (mounting holes and thickness) with a P770zm or P67xXx?

 

That's what I'm concerned about. But according to specs.


Original(?) Chimei display according to panelook.

点 间 距： 0.0663×0.1989 mm (横*竖
像素间距： 0.1989×0.1989 mm (横*竖
【N173HGE-L11.pdf详细参数及规æ¼ä¹¦ä¸‹è½½ã€‘-全球液晶屏交易ä¸å¿ƒ-屏库





LP173WF3 SLB2

点 间 距： 0.0663×0.1989 mm (横*竖
像素间距： 0.1989×0.1989 mm (横*竖
【LP173WF3-SLB2.pdf详细参数及规æ¼ä¹¦ä¸‹è½½ã€‘-全球液晶屏交易ä¸å¿ƒ-屏库


It should fit, in theory.

Also, the LG screen also weighs around 220-230 gram more, so that might put stress on the frame.

 

might that be due to different thickness of the panels? if thats the case, then matching mounting hole positions wouldnt be the culprit, but rather fitting / squeezing it into the frame/bezel...

 

i never own the 90% color gamut lcd or IPS screen so i cant really compare

i can only say this is at least as good as my old sager 8170 screen

i never noticed any "grainy" in my screen

it doesnt look much different to my old 8170 screen ( an AUO 72% color gamut lcd , sorry i forgot its hardware id ) beside the obvious better viewing angle since this one is matte

 

Nevermind...remembered that those "dreamcolor" displays are lvds 50pin. This was discussed almost two months ago iirc.

 

Can't be used with 770ZM?

 

No as they use a 50 pin lvds connector which is of course different.

 

I really wonder how hard it will be to mod in a 1070m if I ever should want to, considering msi will support the upgrade on the gt72. We got Prema for the bios fixes ofcourse, but what about physically? I tried researching it but haven't found much on p170's with a new gpu. Power shouldn't be an issue considering the 330W adapter

 

physical compatibility is almost never the problem, since mxm 3.0b has been around forever now
its rather the software compatibility on a vbios / system bios / ec level...

 

Well the next step is a fully unlocked gm204 so i guess we will se if any significant vbios changes happen.

 

Remember that Eurocom's prices are in $CAD, so currently around a 20% premium to $US.

Also, Eurocom doesn't offer any matte IPS panel in their 17" laptops. Not yet anyway. I asked them, and they said there weren't any currently. Not sure if they meant "none currently available to us".

 

Eurocom's website has the ability to price their systems in $USD...but the prices are still prohibitive. I'm looking for a more-or-less barebones or minimal system (as I have the processor, memory, and drives I want to use), but I don't relish the thought of having to swap-out the screen or dealing with possible dead pixels/compatibility issues, etc. My Dell M6600 has a beautiful AUO screen, and I just can't justify taking a step backwards.

And at this rate, there will be a P570WM3 X99 successor or the like (hoping!), so I'll just be waiting and watching.

 

Try RJtech for barebone system.

Clevo P770ZM Barebone Series

 

If there is a P570WM3 you can be sure it wont be cheap

 

Thanks bigspin...They were one of the first I checked-out...but I don't want a 60% gamut Chimei. I remember 3-4 years ago I ordered a 17.3" Lenovo laptop...had a built-in Wacom tablet...don't remember the processor...really nice system. BUT THE SCREEN!! Chimei!! It had a grainy film on it that was just absolutely horrible to look at. Got an RMA right quick and sent it back. Replaced it with the Dell I'm using now...beautiful matte AUO screen. Boggles my mind that I could get such a nice screen in 2011, but not for a 2015 cutting-edge laptop...unless I pay beaucoup bucks to Eurocom?

I really can't wait until a consumer on this forum gets a 770ZM and reviews it here...perhaps in a week or so...so staying tuned!

 

Can the P77xZM accept two PCIe x4 SSDs, such as Samsung XP941?

 

No. 藍天Clevo

Edit: hehe, ups....read 4 drives instead of 2. Sorry.

But really, no, just one at x4 and the other at x2 as jaybee83 is saying below.

 

either one PCIe 4x SSD or two PCIe 2x SSDs, but only if the LTE/3G functionality is disabled in the second M.2 port.

 

P770 don't have 3G/LTE support.

 

duh, my bad forgot about that youre right bigspin

 

Is it automatic behaviour? Like if I plug just one XP941 the mobo will set it up for x4, and if I plug two XP941 both of them will work in x2?
Will a RAID 0 of two XP941@x2 will be faster than a single XP941@x4 for sequential read/write?

 

yes i would say so. the CPU itself sports 16 PCIe lanes and they all go to the GPU, so those extra lanes should be coming from the chipset/PCH, and only a total of four are dedicated to the M.2 ports. so yeah, even though nobody has tried that yet, installing two XP941 should result in two PCIe 2x connected drives.

 

Should be the same or a tad slower, i think.

 

both sequential speeds and random IOPS / small file size speeds would be a bit slower in the RAID0 setup due to the necessary ressources to divide up the data onto the two drives.

 

It would probably be a pain to route the PCB but really for single GPU setups they should shunt 8x to the GPU and 8X for storage straight into the CPU.

 

Can I use regular DDR3 on the P77xZM? On the specs page it mentions "DDR3L" -- hard to find this kind. Do you know where to buy it?

 

That's 1.35v ram, search for it.

 

Should be pretty easy to find since this is the type Haswell CPU's use. Previous versions were 1.5v so avoid those. 1.5v is more plentiful but the "L" 1.35v shouldn't be hard too find now.

 

Now I got it! Newegg doesn't label all 1.35V as "DDR3L". Maybe because most of them also work with 1.5V.
So, will all DDR3L (1.35V) work with DDR3 (1.5V) mobos?

 

Pretty much yes.

 

I've just found this article[1]. It shows that two Plextor M6e@x2 in RAID 0 is faster than a single Samsung XP941@x4!


[1] Plextor M6e PCIe M.2 SSD Review - RAID Tested at 1.4GB/s | The SSD Review

 

Overheads from Raid 0 are pretty much ignorable at this point in a modern machine.

 

theyre still slower than the theoretical double performance one would expect from two drives in RAID0. in sequential transfers one might ignore that but with 4K/random IOPS it has more of an effect due to the RAID overhead.

also, sequential file transfer speed is totally not important in everyday system usage

 

Small file speeds I always treat as remaining pretty much identical but without harm while the sequential improves a lot (almost double for 1 -> 2 drives).

 

Any confirmation if p770zm has the 'whine'. Either gonna makey purchase today or wait til screen options come out.

 

+1 on this in hopefully 10 days. I don't really mind a small whine or a low buzzing one, but if it's a noticeable high sinus one I'd probably hate myself for not getting a GT72.

 

most likely, especially if its related to interference in the sound output from nearly placed electrical components. since the 770ZM´s internals are exactly designed as the 750ZM, one should expect similar "whines". if all of the reported cases are indeed attributable to this, then switching off the internal soundcard and using an external one would help alleviate that whining noise by quite a large margin.

 

And here I was hoping that I could ditch my external soundcard when purchasing a new laptop :laugh:
Well if it's too bad I still have the external soundcard that came with and am using now for my headset.

I thought disabling the soundcard didn't work for bigspin though? With it probably coming from the GPU. So there seem to be multiple causes

 

I'm interested exactly in the 4K performance and I took the time to calculate the benefits. Here it is:

NOTES:
1. AS SSD Benchmark v1.6
2. Values in MB/s
3. Source: Plextor M6e PCIe M.2 SSD Review - RAID Tested at 1.4GB/s | The SSD Review

 

I have am external DAC/amp also, a JDS Labs C5D, but the few mentions I've seen of the internal soundcard amp on the 8258/78/seemed encouraging. I really only like to pull out my DAC for portability, new music I purchase, instrumental music or I want the best sound fidelity I own. I'm covered on two front with the cd5 and my HTC m8 but like plugging straight into my laptop sometimes, especially since I use external speakers mostly. If it is indeed an interference issue, it's possible some shielding could help, but in reality I bet it is a poor clevo engineering design and we should push them to fix it. Some people are sensitive to this, and even more aggravating could be being in public place and driving your surrounding neighbors/coworkers crazy.

 

thats not gonna happen@driving ur surroundings crazy as far as ive seen that whining noise is less comparable to a high pitch turbine rather than a needle scratching a smooth surface like 10 meters away. according to the users ull really have to look / listen for it to ne audible...

 

The coil whine you're hearing is not actually coil whine, it's the turbocharger in this laptop spinning at full speed.

 

this laptop might be just what i need.... any good links to more info and benchmarks?

is there a version with the Xeon processor or is that an option for upgrade later?

 

xeon cpus work in this machine right off the bat. some resellers even offer those in their configs