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    *** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    Firestrike. Max CPU temp 66* next lowest was 63*. Dang hot CPU core#2. Max GPU temp 58*.

    Maxwell smash.


    Disclaimer: Max fans. Lol.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    @Prema you are the man. Thanks for your hard work!!
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Sure it's UEFI compatible. ENJOY! :)

    I gave up on Changelogs, but it would look a bit like this:

    "Everything" ;)
     
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    Just installed and there are a ton of extra options. Not going to lie a lot is above my head but anything you would want to change is available. Installed perfectly first time no issues what so ever so far. Just a premium bios update!
     
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    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    hey jaybee. what do you think of this? my current RAM status. ram is g.skill 999/28, but for some reason as mentioned earlier, it ran default 101010/32 @ 1867. had to apply custom for it run at 1600mhz. anyways, i was playing around in custom and moved almost all the numbers up, and for the CL i believe i started 111111/30. i rebooted and it's running @ 555/14 and the other numbers are lower than what they were default even though i raised most of them. seems to be running fine and haven't any anomalies yet or reboots.
     

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    OK so my previous temp numbers were not correct. Apparently my undervolt was not applied. I reran everything today and did a 20 minute stress test in XTU while running Valley at the same time. GPU max temp was 70C while CPU max temp was 89 with ZERO thermal throttle. CPU is operating at 1.149V at 4.36Ghz

    Edit: Max Fans
     
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    Zymphad Zymphad

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    Donate! I do everytime he has an update for a laptop I use.
     
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    Already plan to!!! As should everyone that uses anyone else's work. No hard work should go unrewarded!! Especially is we hope these things keep coming!
     
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    Sent!!! @Prema can you confirm the donation was sent correctly?
     
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    that is just awesome! :D
     
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    no surprise, its an awesome machine, after all :cool:

    those are some sick timings u got there buddy, nice work! did u confirm their stability with prime custom blend test using lots of ram? it should be stable for at least 20 min with all workers running (if one of them stops its a sign of ram errors)

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    I guess you missed it. I dl'ed cpu-z and the info there said 101010/30. There was a lot of trial and error after trying to move it to 2133mhz to get those timings back. I think xtu is reporting wrong. But yeah, it if is 101010/30 it is indeed running at 1867 and so far proven stable. Ran a load of benchmarks and saw improvements in most of them. I guess the most noticeable improvement was a 70 point jump in xtu benchmark. Am the other stuff was single digit percentage increase in performance.
     
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    Indeed best computer I have ever owned!!! Not excluding desktops. And in case you missed it. Those temps include an over clock on the GPU that nearly hit 10,000 on first strike!! That's only like 6500 higher than the average gaming laptop ;)
     
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    @pukemon: oh ok, i thought those 5-5-5 timings in the screenie u showed were the active ones u had running at 1866 mhz :D

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Yeah I thought so too til I dug around. Didn't seem right. Gonna still dig a little deeper. The default timing is deceptive. The custom seems to be what your actually running even though default is highlighted. And throwing the active popup in the to figure all that out is confusing. Intel needs to step up their game. Because later versions of xtu are buggy and this one less so.

    BTW, is there any automatic part to memory overclocks. The second time I just the timings. The first 4 parts. The first time I messed with all the settings. That is what xtu did by itself. I'm thinking 2133mhz is attainable but needs research and time in don't have. Also worried about temps.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I told them I want the processor. Other than that, I don't know. I think it is the mount, not the heatsink at fault, so I'll find out after they receive it.

    EDIT: Oh why must I RMA when the belle of the ball arives? The Prema bios mod and I must wait to meet her. I suppose, as with love, all good things must take their time!
     
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    Tons of options not available in stock bios. I'm sure once you start tweaking I'll have plenty of optimization questions for ya. Since a lot of it is over my head ;). I'm waiting for a discussion to break out so I can read up on what adjustments can help improve things.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    If possible, stay up to date on the P750ZM thread! They have TONS of info!!! Both jaybee and I have posted lots in there. Also, I know where I'm comfortable, there are many others in there with knowledge beyond me in other areas, but I will help where I can and point you to an answer if I don't know for sure (I love to research and do tons of it!). Can't wait for my toy to get back and trying to decide if sending the cpu off for another 1.5 weeks is worth it... I miss it already!
     
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    my wallpaper. who's gonna be the first guy to get a batman signal/insignia on their lid?
     

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    Already been looking for the perfect one. Lots for Apple not much I can make work that I have found so far.
     
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    GhDMRPW.jpg
     
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    Are there any 17.3" IPS displays that can fit with this laptop?
     
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    there are. Nothing spectacular tho
     
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    And 25ms response is also opposite of fantastic.
     
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    While having 3D on my notebook screen via 120Hz would be great, has anyone checked to see if this will push 1080p 3D out the HDMI port @60fps
     
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    Stereoscopic 3D = 120fps at "60fps". Each frame is rendered twice for each shutter, so "30fps" is 60 frames rendered. If you cannot maintain 120fps in a game, you won't maintain 60fps in 3D.

    Source: owner of 3D vision notebook (me)
     
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    Yes, very familiar with 3D stereoscopic. I've been authoring 3D stuff with my homemade camera rig since the early days.

    As for this vs. game performance I disagree. Game fps is affected by processor speed and polygon rendering speed. Here I am asking a simply hardware question. The 980m would need to be directly connect to an HDMI 1.4b or higher connection. (Ie without the optimus crap in the way). to support stereoscopic video playback at 120Hz.
     
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    What do you disagree about? 3D cuts performance in half usually. Aka it places double the load on your system.

    If you're asking "if I attach a 980M to a 120Hz machine and try to use Stereoscopic 3D", then yes, it is possible. If you're asking "would it be able to handle games at good fps in 3D", then it depends on the game.

    You asked "would it be able to handle 1080p 3D games at 60fps" to which I said "If you cannot maintain 120fps in the game, you can't maintain 60fps in 3D". Which is for the most part true, unless a game REALLY hates being at very high FPS counts (will give you below 120, but won't use all of your GPU/CPU).
     
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    You actually had me go back and read my original post to see if Alzheimer's was setting in.

    I made no mention of playing games in my post. My main use is video. Sending 3D out the HDMI port on most of the Clevo notebooks isn't possible thanks to Optimus.
     
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    Then the answer is yes, because this machine doesn't have optimus.
     
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    A Question about the M.2 Interface.

    Is it PCIe 2.0 or PCIe 3.0?
     
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    Should be 3.0, as that is this board's standard.
    Are you certain it CAN fit? Is the bezel size, panel dimensions AND mounting orientation all compatible with this laptop? If so, can you please point me toward the model number of one that will so I can compare and contrast on panelook.com?
     
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    Is there anything definitive? I am trying to determine if I should wait for the Samsung SM951 drive. If the mob is not pcie 3.0 then I will go ahead and get the XP491.

    I have not seen any thing that leads me to believe it is 3.0.

    Per Intel, http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/z97-chipset.html, it is 2.0.

    But in the same breath, Intel says this, http://ark.intel.com/products/82012/Intel-DH82Z97-PCH.

    This one says PCIe 3.0 Graphics but PCIe 2.0 for everything else, http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/z97-chipset-diagram.html
     
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    Use Intel support chat and ask them.
     
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    Chipset lanes are 2.0, CPU lanes are 3.0. Be aware the samsung has been throttling.
     
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    gpu uses all cpu lanes, so the m.2 slots are connected to chipset and are thus pcie 2.0. this only is important for sequential file transfers though, better keep an eye out for small file size performance which is more important for general system performance and gaming. in that regard, the sm951 outshines the 941 vastly. and yes, meaker is correct, best to figure out a cooling solution whennu get either of these drives, since they can get pretty hot during regular operation and will thus throttle...

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    There is an LG panel, mentioned a couple of times in this thread that supposed to be shipping already with the laptops (but aren't for whatever reason)
     
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    Yes, well I need the model number to check. If it's 25ms, 60% NTSC gamut, then it's a piece of crap compared to the 72% NTSC gamut LG TN panels or the 90% gamut AUO TN panels.
     
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    it is...
     
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    So it sounds like the SM951 will run at the PCIe 2.0 rate (5 Gbits) and not the 3.0 rate (8 Gbits). If that is the case why would the SM951 be a better choice?
     
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    as i explained before, the maximum bandwidth will only be bottlenecking sequential transfer speeds, but not small file size speeds (4KB especially). the former is only important if u copy large amounts of huge data files back and forth, the latter is very important for everyday system performance and the loading of game files, among others :)
     
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    I understand the sequential vs 4kb transfer rates. My question is simply will the SM951 do transfers at the PCIe 2.0 rate or the 3.0 rate? If at the 2.0 rate, then it does not make sense to wait for it when the XP491 also runs at the 2.0 rate. There may be subtle differences between the 2 cards but the transfer rates should be fairly close given that the interface speed is the same.
     
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    the sm951 outshines the xp941 in small file size speeds. those speeds would NOT be bottlenecked by the pcie 2.0 interface though, only the sequential transfer speeds! the sm951 would be running at pcie 2.0 since thats the speed the m.2 ports are rated at in the ZM series.

    let me be more clear: sequential speeds are the ONLY ones that would come close to saturating the pcie 3.0 connection. even though both 941 and 951 small size performances do not come close to saturating the 3.0 bandwidth, the 951 is still way more preformant in this regard than the 941. thats why id recommend going with the 951 rather than the 941 :)
     
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    Yep. 951 over 941 all day long.
     
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    only snag is it's unavailability and unknown pricing
     
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    Both aren't officially available for retail. Xp941 can be found but price is high. Sm951 should hit shelves in a couple months.
     
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