*** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

in order to get close to the ideal fps = Hz, in the case of a 120 Hz display ull want 120 fps...

 

Hey, that missing driver in device manager is the tpm. Disable it in bios and all is good! This advice is only applicable if you are NOT using bitlocker!

 

weird though, since windows should automatically provide the TPM driver... at least thats what happened in my case

 

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Are you using bitlocker? Also, in my case, I was using an old installation moved to this laptop, not a clean installation, so it makes sense why windows did not provide it. Also, it had no need with the original installation for such a driver. So that is mine. For Win 8, I don't know if it is provided auto or if on clean install you need to select bitlocker. So cannot answer that part of the riddle.

 

nope, not using bitlocker. funny thing: tried to install the TPM driver from infineon, but the installation routine couldnt find a compatible device. windows itself installed it automatically though after i enabled the TPM device in BIOS (tried the infineon driver AFTER that, of course ) in any case, im fine as long as there are no yellow exclamation / question marks in my device manager

 

I have to agree with both of you on this.. Chi-Mei displays are **** and honestly in this laptop, there should have been an AUO or LG TN display at least.. As a matter of fact, 17.3" IPS screen have been out from LG and there should be enough supply for it when the Batman was released but for some reason, Clevo didn't have this option available.. The LG IPS display is being offered by Schenker from mid-march ownwards and hopefully there is a eDP connector available for those of you who want better displays..

 

Final testing phase.

And then wait for the slowest to ship anything in US, UPS ground. I know they purposely don't ship just to waste three days or more...

 

As I understand it, the latest BIOS for the 770zm supports this LG IPS panel:
LG LP173WF4 panel support

 

It will probably be the full 5 days unless you're in ca or a connecting state. Then you might get lucky. Also might be able to intercept at a hub near you if timing and place is right.

 

I'm not a screen guy but am learning. Currently, the stock chi Mei screen uses a 40 pin connector lvds. I do not know what that one uses. The lvds screen I want uses a 50 pin connector. Meanwhile, there is questions regarding eDP 1.2 for others. You might check panelook to see if it is compatible with connectors etc. Anything you learn on compatibility, please let us know (community of learning)...

 

Yup. UPS is the worst. DHL best, then USPS, then FedEx and somewhere at the bottom of a dung heap is UPS. Oh its ground shipping two states over? Yeah we will keep at our sorting center for 3 days before we begin shipment, cause god forbid if they ship it faster than 5 days. Oh its across country? Yeah your package will stop at every f'ing sorting station along the way to ensure it arrives no sooner than 5 days.

 

I felt the same way when buying my current MSI Stealth Pro ... I was almost traumatized by purchasing something without an optical drive .. but FYI ... I simply purchased an external, slim Blu Ray/DVD optical drive and it's been a painless adjustment. No worries whatsoever and the drive is so slim/small ... it slides right in to one of my small laptop bag pockets.
(I'm thinking about getting one of these Sager/Clevo's btw ... that's just a ridiculous amount of hardware for the money)

 

contrare mon frare. ups, usps and then fedex. haven't dealt with dhl enough to squeeze it in there, but they''ve been pretty good most of the time i've personally dealt with them or companies i worked for. dhl is probably second or first choice. fedex can suck it.

 

Am I correct in my understanding that this machine cannot use standard mSATA drives in it's SSD slots? If I upgrade to this and when I sell my Stealth Pro, I'll have three 512gb mSATA drives that I suppose will either be included in the Stealth sell or sold individually ...

From what I have read, seems only m.2 drives, true?

 

I will look into a DIY extension once I get mine, I am an EE and worked depot maintenance for aerospace, I should not be hard to make a simple extension. I use an ergotron laptop stand and it would be mandatory for me to make one for this in order to use it. The two items I see to watch are, wire gage, and connector type.

 

Newegg sells a sata to msata 2.5" enclosure, its nice and has the power conversion circuit. I have one, it even allows you to anchor the msata nicely.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186205

 

Call the local office that sends the package out for delivery and explain it's a PC and that you want to pick it up there. They may be able to get it to you a day early that way. If you call the main UPS number they will stall it till the actual day of arrival, but you can still get it at 9AM instead of 6PM eitherway.

 

ridiculous? sager is by far one of the best values out there for gaming and workstations. yeah, they come out with the occasional dud laptop, but most are top notch, i do wish they had more screen options for 17" versions. this is my first 17" laptop and i'm loving it even though i got a chi mei. it's a pretty damn good chi mei. minor faults with it. but so did my better LG screen on my np5160. it was good but had minor faults.

 

It is within 20 miles of me...and still set for Friday 2 days from now...the agony!! I just called to set it to "will call", now to wait and see when I get the green light to pick up.

 

You mis understand my use of the term "ridiculous".

;-)

I mean that in a very positive way, same as saying, "Wow! That's an amazing amount of really powerful hardware for the money!".

 

Two PCIe M.2s One is 4 Lane, One is 2 Lane....not sure yet if it's 4 Lanes combined or 6 Lanes total. I e-mailed Clevo about this and they replied that it was PCIe M.2 1x4 and one M.2 SATA but that goes against their specs. It was from their marketing department so they may not know.

"• Three M.2 card slots
-1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIe and USB interface
-2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe x2/x4 interface
-3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe x2 interface"

Two 2.5" Drive bays
So 4 Drives are possible. As noted by blightcp an mSATA to SATA 2.5" is available for using mSATA drives.

No ODD bay.

Batman XL and Batman have a ridiculously, amazing amount of hardware for the money.

 

I spoke with Donald at power notebooks and he told me that there are 4 lanes available so if you go with m.2 SSD such as the Samsung all slots will be used since it used 4 lanes. If you get an m.2 that uses 2 lanes then you will be able to add 2 m.2 ssds.

 

Thanks, good to hear that it's 4 total lanes.
You should still be able to use the Samsung 4 Lane PCIe M.2 and a SATA M.2

 

yes

 

I just looked this up in the schematic diagrams in the service manual for the P770ZM.

It looks like only one has PCIe.

WLAN+BT (single PCIe and USB 3.o) top side of motherboard next to memory under keyboard.
3G + mSATA (USB 3.0 and SATA) A key layout -- this is west of the CMOS battery
SSD M2 (PCIE 4X and SATA) M key layout -- South of the CMOS battery

 

are you sure it's mSATA?

Edit: it's definitely M.2 format, but accepts SATA interface M.2 SSDs only

 

So, nvidia caved, oc back next month. Or at least an unreliable Nvidia rep posted in its forums. Time will tell.

EDIT: https://forums.geforce.com/default/.../gtx-900m-overclocking-with-347-09-347-25/17/

 

ooh, can you link a source?

 

Hey fellas. Got all of the parts in for my P770ZM in. Good lord is this laptop easy to open and put parts into. Takes all of 5 minutes.

In other news this is how fast things are going for me:

 

What drives did you end up installing? Nice bench figures!

 

Those numbers are making me want to cave and buy the Samsung xp941 instead of waiting for the 951 drives to be released :/

Im assuming that's what you have installed to get those numbers of course.

Edit: actually I see that you are running raid 0 setup. Care to enlighten us on everything you installed and if you did any tweaking to get the bench numbers you have now.

 

@XMG and @superkyle1721
I'm using:
2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233682
2x http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KLTPUG4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I got a better deal on them then listed. All four are in RAID 0 TRIM is enabled. 1TB for $280~
I'm not terribly worried about an SSD failing. This laptop is not my main rig and is only used for gaming on the go. So I just want blazing speed. Things are crazy fast.

 

Wow ... that's pretty whack. Really killer performance even though using different size drives. So I guess it's understood that even the 2.5" drive bays are served via an SATA III interface and not an SATA II?

I'm using x3 513gb mSATA's currently in RAID0 with my Stealth Pro and mine test about 150mb/s slower than yours. Pretty cool to see that mixing drive sizes still yields good throughput ... not to mention the cost/performance/space ratio ... great job!

 

Well you could run with different sizes in RAID 0 no problem, it would just be least common denominator. But I got these particular SSDs because they are the same capacity

 

not to rain on anyone's parade here, but please take a look at the 4K performance with QD1 guys. sequential speeds are of course amazing in such setups, but even my single 850 pro 1tb can trump them in 4k performance, and thats exactly the most important performance point in everyday system / gaming / office workloads!!! ask urself: when do u ever really need these kinda sequential transfer speeds? do u transfer terabytes of bigass files back and forth on an everyday basis? no? well then these benchmark scores are just that: nice scores but without any real-life performance to back them up.
dont get me wrong! im not trying to troll here. just getting one thing straight for people out on the look for a nice storage setup: the xp941 might be blazing fast in benches, but in real life performance is still beaten by 850 pros and sandisk ultra extremes... thus, the first REALLY worthy m.2 drive to switch to would be the 951 at about 50%+ performance boost compared to any 2.5" drive out there, and that in ALL areas, including the crucial 4K speeds

just my 2c and some food for thought guys!

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

Can anyone tell me what they have gotten for RAM speeds? Trying to decide on what to purchase looking at a 16Gb system across all 4 slots. that makes the most bandwidth available. 32 is overkill, even when I am using VMs.

Specifics on the ram model #, achieved out of the box speed, and successful OC timings would be a bonus.

 

Right ... sorry .. mis read the listings you posted ...

 

Yeah ... I happen to do a lot of that with digital video editing projects. But where I notice the RAID0 throughput the most, is in daily operating system/program usage... Windows startup (Win 7), program loading ... and especially game level loading is many times faster than when running a single SSD.

I've used RAID0 for ages, all the way back to the SCSI days, and it's always been a far better all around computing performance gain than any single disk scenario. Even without measuring, the simple and "perceived" performance increase is rather dramatic when using a RAID0 array ... *especially* with day to day routine tasks ...

 

sure, if u actually have a use for these sequential speeds frequently, then by all means go for it! i doubt that games / programs load up any faster with raid though, there have been enough reviews around that disprove this "perceived" performance boost, e.g.: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

conclusion: great for benchmarks, not so much for real-life performance

the raid-overhead alone, which is caused by having to stripe all data to the individual drives takes a performance penalty, which single drives just dont have!

also, if youve used raid0 for ages maybe u just havent bothered to actually check single ssd performance just saying!

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

From my experience I have to agree, if you have the cash, be my guest have fun. We will still be jealous, and are...right now.

But lately I have seen this resurgence of RAID and SSD as the big thing in gaming right now. I think this is confusing the priorities for the average enthusiast gamer.

In my experience the performance of SSD RAID 0 is not the first place to put money in this build.
A single PCIe 4x lane SSD will suit 95% of the users, even gamers. Even a 10Gig Ethernet link real world speed is 560MB a sec.

You are going to run into the issue that everything is slower than you, and you will be at their mercy. Game loading times will be hindered by the engine efficiency and not the drive throughput.

If money IS an issue, this is my opinion of the order of priority for this laptop:

1. get the 980M
2. 3 year Warranty
3. get the 4790K
4. a solid SSD or a single 4x pcie M2 SSD
5. upgrade the memory
6. Then look into RAID arrays and backup solutions.

 

Hey no worries. Well aware of the RAID overhead. For my situation, putting all four drives in RAID0 is the best route for me. I am recording game footage constantly and would rather have one continuous storage element then trying to manage multiple silos.

To give an example, one game recording could add up to 120GB and right now I don't want to spend the money when solid nvme drives are coming out. Plus I don't want any moving parts from spinning disk when I'm lugging this too and fro.

So, yea if any one of my drives dies, I'm toast. But for the price and my use-case it works.

 

But what if the setup you purchased comes with a 980m 3 year warranty, 4790K 256GB 850 pro, 32GB of 2133 ram, 1TB HDD? I feel like since I have all that next is a beefy m.2 pcie drive. But I agree with what was said above. I really want one but I realize that waiting for the 951 just makes sense in real world usage. For now I guess I'll just have to be happy with my "subpar" setup

 

The fastest single drive solution available today, in an OS environment, is the Samsung XP941 using 4 PCIe lanes.
"Real world" steady state testing. Note: the blue bar in the charts is the important one; heavy usage - high performance.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6589/samsung-xp941-128gb-pcie-ssd-review/index8.html

The fastest solution available today, in an OS environment, is the Intel 730 RAID0
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6975/pny-optima-240gb-drive-ssd-raid-report/index6.html

Coming soon, one Samsung 951 will take the fastest solution spot. Note: different graphs used.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6951/samsung-sm951-512gb-2-pcie-ssd-review/index7.html

Of course, that's models tested to this date. Having written that, I'll still use a single SATA SSD, SanDisk Extreme II 480GB, safe and sound, that I have waiting for Batman XL.

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/.../gtx-900m-overclocking-with-347-09-347-25/17/

 

I hear you ... Wife, kids, and everything else takes away from the toy fund. I'm happy that this "subpar" setup too. This is still going to run circles around almost everything in its $2000 price range. It is a really nice setup and you just have to appreciate it. It's also going to fun watching my nephews drool over this.

 

Drool factor - priceless.

 

I apologize if this has been made clear elsewhere but does this machine support TWO full 9.5mm height 2.5" drives?

 

Yes, it is. It supports 2 regular SSD drives and 2 m.2 drives.

 

I see lots of people complaining about the screen on this laptop. Is it really that bad? More importantly, my current laptop, which I'm upgrading from is an old Sony Vaio VGN-FW455j, which had a decent panel at the time of purchase(nearly 8 years ago). It has a 1600x900 resolution lcd. I've never experienced gaming on anything but lcd, anyways. Will I be upset with this screen?

EDIT: the screen is 16.4". Not sure how I will feel going bigger or smaller, if anyone has input on the 15.6 v 16.4 v 17.3, as far as gaming is concerned. I also will be lugging it to school, but I don't think weight is a concern, considering my current laptop weighs about as much as the 17"

 

Some questions for new users of this Sager/Clevo machine:

1. Can somebody post detailed load temps on both CPU/GPU Preferably a solid 30min to 1hr sustained bench session?
2. How is the keyboard? (especially interested in opinions of those who have used the very nice Steel Series keyboards that currently ship with MSI computers).
3. How is the over all build quality? I've watched several video reviews of other Sager/Clevo laptops and I understand the build quality is typically sort of middle of the road but has anything changed with this model? Worse? Better?
4. Could somebody please post a pic of the underside with the plastic cover removed so I could see the internals

I'm currently quite pleased with a MSI G70 Stealth machine (970m) ... love the keyboard on it (I do TONS of writing) ... plays every game I have at plenty high detail levels and with great FPS ... screen, though TN, is still a very nice looking TN panel ... and the thing is portable as all get out.

But man ... such a deal on this particular Clevo and with a 980M and pimpin' CPU ... just really curious about temps and the keyboard. I also like the fact that others have said it's very easy to upgrade. That happens to be one real shortcoming of the GS70 Stealth Pro ... pretty hard to change things like RAM (to upgrade my ram, I have to completely disassemble the machine and remove the entire motherboard (!!!) ... PITA.

Anyway, thinking seriously about upgrading to this 980m machine

Thanks in advance,
joel