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    *** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by ProFX, May 18, 2015.

  1. Ethrem

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    I edited the post to show the same kit at another site for 430 but yeah, it's crazy expensive.
     
  4. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Exactly! This is why I went with the ZM :) More then enough for me! And DDR3-L 2133MHz was quite cheap when I got it on offer :D

    And now if DPD delivers my laptop :(... Still hasn't reached UK...
     
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    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    It's pricey, but going from 32GB to 64GB will result in much faster renders for after effects, video editing.
     
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    Atreide Notebook Guru

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    That 64GB of RAM will be orders of magnitude more expensive - not only are you paying for an extra 32GB of RAM, each GB costs substantially more than DDR3 RAM. For now, anyway.

    I was looking forward to the DM, but I'm not going to pay ridiculous amounts of money for DDR4 RAM that will have no impact on my daily use.

    I don't see why it wouldn't be. The DM uses DDR4 RAM, this is DDR4 RAM.
     
  8. moviemarketing

    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    For me, the 64GB capacity is the main reason to get this laptop, why I'm waiting for the DM instead of the ZM.
     
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    Ramzay Notebook Connoisseur

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    Nothing wrong with that - if you need it you need it.
     
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    MichaelKnight4Christ Notebook Evangelist

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    Man I'm surprised its taking so long for info on this laptop I mean since the skylake chips are already out for desktop I was hoping to see something sooner regarding the complete official details for my region. Its not that I'm impatient I want things done right but the least we could get is some info concerning the models. Other regions already got info I'm starting to feel a bit left out here !
    Singapore has released info now its the DM but its called the w2 there
    https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/Productinner/w15-new

    Sager please spill the beans already lol !
     
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    bigspin My Kind Of Place

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    Yeah..I'm bit annoyed as well.

    BTW ASUS went totally mental and released GX700 with water cooling.

    Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
     
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    MichaelKnight4Christ Notebook Evangelist

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    Really a water cooled laptop by asus ? .........Im telling you if clevo keeps holding info back the other companies are going to get the jump on them. Seems like Lenovo and Asus aren't holding much back Clevo has to step it up now !
     
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    octiceps Nimrod

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    Pretty sure mental is being used with a negative connotation...
     
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    bigspin My Kind Of Place

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    Lol I dont really know what they plan on doing but I just want some official news from sager on my end tbh !
     
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    Samot Notebook Evangelist

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    If that´s true, then i give another meh to that.... Might as well go the egpu route.
     
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  18. bigspin

    bigspin My Kind Of Place

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    Yeah..I don't like it either. Nice try but it's a gaming notebook with Kim K a$$.

    https://instagram.com/p/6u_uvqlJAo/

    Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
     
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    And the possibility of leaking like Khloe and Nicki Minaj's butt implants :D
     
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    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC

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    Meh, water-cooled laptops like that already exist (as diy projects). Asus is three years late.

    Would like to see a functional unibody design; full aluminium with enclosed heatpipes going to the extremities, display lid as well. Kind of like the fanless Apples, only with heatpipes, fans and an actual cpu (+ dpgu, of course). Heck, let's route a few heatinks to the ssd's too ... and the wlan card, just because.
     
  21. Dr.DM

    Dr.DM Notebook Enthusiast

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    The vendors that are scared to compete, may not do it. The Vendors that are bold, and think out of the box are the ones who will succeed in offering such a service, which really could add up to some nice profit margins. Sure it's a risk, but you can mitigate those risks by getting a good systematic delidding system down, and you can also transfer part of the risk to the consumer by the way of an upcharge.

    Also @MichaelKnight4Christ I'm not too impressed with what Aftershock had on their website, very well could be a clevo rip off, and if they are a clevo official vendor then their presentation is very poor. Anyways keep your head up exciting things to come very shortly. It seems like a long time, but that's because we had info about the DM waaay back when before any other competitor to clevo had even talked about their next gen monster laptop.

    In regards to Asus that's pretty impressive, kudos to them for trying something different. The exciting then to me about their laptop is the 17" 4K IPS Gsync Display. That's promising now we just have to find out who is manufacturing their displays as in what brand. I hope they have a glossy version. I also like the heatsink design on the back of the laptop. Thel Asus laptop overall though is not really my style.

    It will be interesting to see what MSI musters up...

    Good read here... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2490550,00.asp
     
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    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    It's not a Clevo rip off, Aftershock is a legitimate Clevo reseller, the DM they are selling is the same as the one you can pre order from hyperbook.

    https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/Productinner/w15-new-2
    http://www.hyperbook.pl/hyperbook-x15dm-intel-skylake-p-25696.html

    I don't quite understand what there was to be impressed or not impressed about, as the specs seem to conform largely to the same details posted in the OP of this thread.

    The only thing that was a bit surprising is they are listing the dimensions as slightly larger than the previous model, 35.7mm thick chassis vs the ZM's 33mm.
     
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    I'm more interested in how they managed to get G-Sync options in their P650RE (P650SE replacement) given that it's an Optimus laptop....
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    g-sync was supposed to be made compatible for optimus systems soon, so it doesnt surprise me that its slowly but surely popping up :)

    interesting find about the higher z height compared to the ZM. are there any differences in weight as well because of that?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
  25. MichaelKnight4Christ

    MichaelKnight4Christ Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey everyone man I hope I last till the DM releases but people really want me banned or in trouble and I wont back down to anyone including moderators so In case I'm not here I wish everyone God's Blessing . If anybody knows me knows I am very outspoken and sometimes truth is not pretty and members are still holding foolish grudges and now moderators are as well so Im going to be leaving if certain things are not done. If this is my final message thank you for all your help the ones that helped and the others who gave me rep and liked my posts man dont worry you will be blessed in life and for the ones I supposedly rubbed the wrong way I'm going to wish you all the best as well proving my honor and faith is greater than any forum rule. I hope the DM comes out soon and that it has the things we wanted and I hope you all enjoy it whoevers getting it. I would like to stay and post more but I can't be held down by moody mods and members who flat out dont like me or what I stand for so if this is my final farewell I wana say peace and blessings to you and all the readers. Sorry for the off topic post.
     
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    Actually on the topic of the DM (I've been eyeing it as a ZM replacement for one reason alone - tb3 to allow me to connect with officr SAN, though it's not really a necessity), the aftershock site specs list doesn't mention tb3 capabilities? Only usb 3.1. Any idea if the DM supports tb3?

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    thus far it looks like it will. also, the USB 3.1 is correct hardware wise, but TB 3.0 would be supported as a "software protocol" or rather an electric signal. since its a USB 3.1 type C port, it makes sense :)
     
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    Look at moviemarketing's hyperbook link a few posts up. then scroll down just a little. ;)
     
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    The Aorus X7 Pro Sync uses BGA GPUs, and it has had G-SYNC for a while now.
     
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    There was some confusion with Thunderbolt in P771DM models. We have received a data sheet from Clevo which did not include any information about Thunderbolt port. However there was an information about one DisplayPort being blocked during using Thunderbolt. We asked Clevo and they confirmed Thunderbolt support. We will be able to test it soon :)
     
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    That's interesting. It suggests a different port layout from the P77xZM. The DisplayPorts are on the back of the P77xZM. The NotebookCheck photos show the USB Type-C port on the side.
     
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    Thanks very much for your help and for the info you shared with us and I'm hoping tb3 like specs will be available to this model and even other clevo models. The 40gbps is the main target and I want to see those specs in this DM and other Clevo products. It was the main reason why I even wanted this notebook so I'm hoping Clevo releases all the information we need soon and I wish Sager would step up already and deliver some much needed news for my region regarding Clevo skylake brands.

    Also have any idea when the sli DM will be available ?
     
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    Thanks. We shall see with the reviews. Prob hold off on buying it first.
    For thunderbolt 1 and 2 it requires hardware chipsets (falcon ridge) and with tb3 it is stated it will need a chipset (alpine ridge). Just saw one usb-c port (which can double duty as tb) so was curious.

    To be honest I rather they have at least 2 usb-c ports with two tb/usb3.1 combo than just one.

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    Since the ports are so new and the other standard usb ports are more commonly used one is enough for 15 inch models other wise standard usb ports will be sacrificed. Having two ports like that is a bit overkill imo maybe in the next few years but for right now one tb3/type c is enough imo. For 17 inch models/sli models then maybe 2 tb/usb c would make more sense since there is more room for added ports.
     
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    yeah it always starts out slow, was the same with usb 3.0 ports. look at the desktop mobos, they actually market them for their single usb 3.1 type c ports :D

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    With a single port you can always connect up a hub. If you want a couple of high speed devices connected.
     
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    I second your sentiment. For those of us without privilege / access (AKA : me) to resellers or those in the know, it would be nice to have a little more info. However, if this is like past Clevo models, in about 2 weeks, we should get solid confirmation about what is and what is not available in their new product releases.

    In regards to the P870DM (SLI version), not 100% certain, but my guess is when the P7x0DM news is made public, Clevo will dump ALL of their new product press releases. This usually comes at once or within the same relative time frame.

    In sum, hopefully by mid-Sept., all of this speculation can stop, and we can get our hands on the info, and a bit after that our hands on the physical machines themselves. I'm sure others may start champing at the bit, but from my point of view, I've waited this long for a DTR, a few more weeks isn't going to bother me. Just crossing my fingers it is before the end of the month.
     
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    Just to defend the lack of information comming out from non Asia-Pacific companies including Sager, XMG etc - generally we make new models available for pre-order 1-2 weeks before stock arrives, so that's the best indication of when they will start shipping because Sager always have stock first in the US and we always have stock first in Europe. The problem is that the NDA date is different for Europe and N. America compared to Asia-Pacific area, so we actually can't release most of the information we have until after Asia-Pacific companies can. Makes no sense, but that's the way it is unfortunately :-(

    @jclausius EDIT, added you FYI, my post 50% answers your last post!
     
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    Sorry for double post, two different topics!

    @HYPERBOOK @MichaelKnight4Christ @jaybee83 @kelvinty - yes this is correct. The chassis has 1x Thunderbolt 3 / USB 3.1 combi port. Also I can confirm that you can't use both DP ports and the Thunderbolt simultaneously. You can still run 4 displays simultaneously - 1x internal and 3x external (2x DP and 1x HDMI), just only 1x DP with the TB/USB3.1 in use.
     
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    We are currently working on providing upgradable cooling solutions for our laptop selections. Our offering should be available in our configurateor soon! :)
     
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    I'm not referring to the fact that it's BGA, but that given it's Optimus, the 970M/980M graphics output is going to the Intel IGP frame-buffer. Until now, G-Sync required the display to be connected directly to the NV GPU.

    I'm guessing Skylake's upgrade to eDP1.3 has led to some some change which allows adaptive sync to function.
     
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    this is definitely something we've been looking. no ETA on this yet but hopefully really soon! feel free to PM me with any other suggestions as well !

    edit: oops! looks like Andy beat me to it
     
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    So, it's not a physical location but internal routing, bus usage?
     
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    You guys have a lot of CPU options. :vbthumbsup: But the last I checked, no Xeons. And while you look into carrying Xeons, maybe you can get G-Sync working with it too. :p Too much to ask? :D
     
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    Correct!
     
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    Don't think there was much demand for it, but then again I am new here. I will contact Intel tomorrow to try to get a sample E3 Xeon to test out, if I can get an okay from higher ups, it could be a possibility, but no guarantees. ;)
     
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    There are a bunch of guys running Xeons here in the ZMs. I'm sure they would be most appreciative if G-Sync works for them too. If possible. :)
     
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    Only Clevo/Intel/Nvidia can sort this out. We spoke to the relevant people about this a while back, there's no solution/fix available
     
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    Which Xeons are even compatible with the Z170 chipset?
     
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    Are they working on it, maybe a future solution?

    Xeon E3-1200 v5 looks like the series for LGA 1151
     
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