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I have donated too. Thanks Prema!

I'm a bit lost though. Unigine Valley/Heaven crash at +140, but Shadow Warrior (4K & 99% GPU load) happily runs at +170 and possibly higher (yet to see how far it will go). Which should I use to determine maximum stable clocks? It's like this for memory clocks too; VRAM related artifacts appear at much lower clocks with these Unigine benchmarks than in actual games.

Unigine benchmarks are telling me that +135/+130 are my maximum stable, artifact-free overclocks possible. Seems rather low.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Hey guys,

I am using P650 with 970m and I am not sure if my dGPU is kicking in when im playing league of legends.
I compared my new laptop 970m to my old laptop 660m. My old 660m was getting around 220 fps while 970m was getting only 100 fps.
I made sure that all in game graphic settings and resolution were the same so I do not know why this is happening.
I installed the Intel Graphics Driver using the cd that came with my laptop and for Nvidia driver, I grabbed the lastest version from Nvidia's website.

Intel Graphics Driver version = 10.18.10.3621
Nvidia Driver Version = 347.09

I made sure that high performance Nvidia professor is selected for preferred grahics professor under Nvidial control panel.

Am I missing something or do i need to change my config? It hurts to see that my 970m is getting not 10 but almost 100 fps less than my old 660m. (if anything, it should be getting way more fps than my 660m)

I would greatly appreciate any kind of help. Thank you

 

When adding voltage I noticed I needed to add 200mV to actually get a 50mV increase. Bear that in mind when OCíng.

 

have u repasted with high-performance thermal compound, checked that the heatsink makes proper contact with ur gpu and also maybe swapped out the thermal pads to ones with high thermal conductivity? (phobya XT with 7 W/mK i can recommend! ) could also be that ure missing out some GPU components such as VRMs in order to get full stability at higher clocks... either that or u may just have a lemon with low OC abilities
in general, id recommend using clocks that are stable in ALL environments, no matter which game/software/benchmark you run...

 

Do we have a number yet for "maximum voltage" ? Also, Prema, any word on a mod that allows us to manually configure the GPU fans? That would be great!

 

No I haven't bothered repasting because the internal temperatures are so good anyway that there doesn't seem any point in doing so.

So Crysis 3 apparently runs happily at +150/+200, but Unigine will crash and artifact heavily at those same clocks. Why is that? Both are using 99% of the GPU under load. Should I use the stable/artifact-free clocks under Unigine or Crysis 3 as my everyday overclocks?

 

as mentioned before, id recommend a proper repaste and a switch of thermal pads, sometimes a gpu component isnt properly covered or not covered at all by the stock placement of pads and thus hinders an overclock.

also, its normal that different software gets u different results with ocing, same goes for RAM or CPU overclocks. best way to check stable clocks is to run a whole battery of different tools/benches/games to make sure uve got rock stable settings in any situation

 

no, when I ordered p650se a few weeks ago there was only 4710HQ, but it shipped me one with the 4720HQ, I think that's what sager is shipping for all orders now regardless what you put up there. speaking of which, PREMA! will your bios work with a minor CPU upgrade like this?

 

Thanks @ those who gave my "coffee button" a punch. It keeps me motivated to continue to spend so much time on this stuff for the Clevo community!

You should first try to find your stable core and vRAM clocks separately. Make also use the voltage slider in Nvidia Inspector.
Set the voltage then double click apply and check the effective voltage that pops up briefly in the "voltage" Window to the right side.

Avoid 347.09 driver, it's a mess...

Ah, I forgot to adjust it...will make it matching in the next update...

1.2v is the maximum voltage. BUT, just use whatever your card really needs.
HTWingNuts GPU for example needs 1.1875V to reach its maximum clocks of +420Mhz and won't go any higher with more voltage.

No Problem the Mod works for all configurations.

ENJOY!

 

Guys, any ideas how to turn off the "Adaptive Contrast" or whatever it is called, that messes up with a display settings depending on the content of the screen?
This feature makes working in Photoshop on built-in screen just impossible!
Already switched off Display Power Saving in Intel HD Graphics control panel and in Windows 8.1 Power Settings

 

Hey guys,
So I'm currently away on holiday at the moment in the US. Got my laptop yesterday and I've been trying to get some drivers by downloading them from my phone and then transferring it over to the laptop. I did the WLan driver first so I could just download them straight from the internet, but I'm having a few problems just connecting to the internet in general. The networks show up in the list, however on occasion it's unable to identify the network and connect. It only randomly connects to the wireless and even then it cuts in and out. I'm using the internet with my phone right now with consistency so I don't think the wireless network is totally to blame, however it is a hotel wireless connection which may cause problems?
I've downloaded the drivers from the Clevo website, uninstalled them and then tried using the ones straight from Intel themselves. I've followed the instructions given a few pages back as well, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere fast.

Has anyone possibly got a solution?
I've only got my phone to download things, and the laptop is using Windows 7

Cheers,

 

@prema then which version should I use? is there a proper way for me to uninstall my current 347.09 and install the different driver? Thanks

 

344.75 or any driver other than 347.09 is just fine. (Selecting the clean install option of the driver itself is enough).

 

Oh yes, I have been doing them separately. +135 core was my highest on stock voltage. I didn't try voltage adjusting before for fear of hurting the 180W PSU. And indeed when I play around with overvolting now, it sends the power consumption over 180 watts according to my power monitor device - or is that OK because the monitoring unit may not have 100% efficiency and the actual consumption may be lower? What is the usual efficiency of these monitoring units? 80%? 90%?

+130 is the highest the memory can go in the Unigine stress tests without blue artifacts. Crysis 3 can go higher without me seeing visible artifacts. Is it safest to just go with the Unigine maximum artifact-free clocks, despite how low they are? Or could I go with the Crysis 3 clocks if other games also don't show artifacts?

Thanks for the sage advice, as always.

 

I reckon with your 180W PSU you could possibly assume an 85% efficiency, if that's the case then:
180/0.85 = 211W displayed on your Kill-A-Watt meter to equal a 180W output to your laptop. So, I wouldn't let the PSU go above about 210W as seen on your meter.

A quick google brought me up this website where power efficiencies of adapters seemed to be about 85 - 90% efficiency (dated 2012):
Round-up of 74 laptop power adapters: original or universal? - Adapters 100 watts and higher | Hardware.Info United Kingdom


EDIT: best to use your lowest stable overclock for maximum stability in all situations. I think Jaybee recommended the same to you, so I'd run it at your Unigine Heaven benchmark stable settings then - assuming that's given you the lowest stable overclock.

 

OK, so my meter just gave me a peak reading of 238W in Unigine Valley at +300 core (1.1870 V), hovering in the 230's for considerable period. Too high then. I'll try and keep it under 210 watts to be safe.

And that's two people saying go with highest stable clocks in Unigine, so that's what I'll do.

 

Fair enough, that's playing it safe with the power adapter then to keep it under 210W, although there's nothing to say that you'll definitely wreck it by running it at the 238W that you're seeing. You could always buy another adapter if you wreck that one, if you're willing to risk it. If the adapters are relatively cheap I'd be inclined to run it at your 238W provided your GPU temperatures are good, and as long as your adapter is not burning a hole in the carpet!!

 

iirc most if not all clevo psus have an efficiency rating of 90%, so 200W should actually be ur maximum.

@cakefish: when u say ur system crashes, how does it do that exactly? bsod? freeze? sudden switch off without warning? if its the last then the psu is maxxed out for sure...

 

As tempting as it is to run +300 core, I really don't want to risk blowing up my power adapter by going over its maximum rated wattage. Must play it safe.

No, just the video driver crashes then recovers every so often. Not Windows itself. I've yet to see a whole system crash (and I don't really want to!)

Hmmm... well I guess you can never be too safe. I may just end up tweaking it around until it doesn't go above 200W with VRAM overclock included.

 

hey folks,

updated the OP with the service manuals for both SE and SG models in the download section

these manuals give step by step details on how to service your machines, e.g. exchanging / installing hardware, cleaning out dust and the location of all the respective components. they also include tons of technical info, such as the layout of the motherboard and such.

big thx to prema over at TI for supplying these!

cheers

 

I might settle on +215/+215. It requires a +75mV overvolt boost to 1.125V. Peak wattage draw in Crysis 3 ends up around 210 watts (close to the 180W rated maximum of the PSU if we assume 80-90% efficiency), which I think I'm willing to risk. The actual PSU doesn't seem to heat up all that much, compared to my previous P170SM's 230W PSU.

Now, those same VRAM clocks produce occasional blue flashing artifacts in Unigine Valley/Heaven but not Crysis 3, Tomb Raider or Shadow Warrior (the latter two set to 4K for stress testing purposes to ensure 99% GPU load). I really don't know why Unigine benchmarks seem to be much more sensitive to VRAM clocks than everything else I've tested. I'd rather use +215 in games than the +120 I need to go down to to avoid artifacts in the Unigine engine - I've found that raising the VRAM clocks to +215 from +120 does benefit framerate when core is also set to +215. Can there be any harm in that if there is no actual artifacts occurring in games (but only Unigine)?

 

Yeah, good question, hard to say, there's no temperature sensors on the VRAM, it's possible that it's heating up & then crosses the line into instability at your higher clocks, which would be the only reason to worry about running at your semi-stable memory overclock. If I was you I'd just run it Unigine Heaven stable VRAM clocks, and maybe up the core Mhz & voltage to compensate for the lost fps (or leave the core as is).

 

Don't forget to install the latest HOTKEY softwares, or you might experience micro stutters, weird cooling fan speed etc (3.05.16)
I didn't install the unlocked vbios for now, because the 980M is strong enough, however the new bios/ec work really great !

 

I suppose Unigine was designed as a stress test, so I should obey the maximum clocks it orders me to set. Which is around +105 on the VRAM. Or else blue artifacts flash occasionally.

Now just to pin the ideal core clock down. I think +225 is possible at +75mV (1.1250V). Which would result in a nice 1350MHz core clockspeed. Power consumption in Valley veers up to a peak of 210W.

 

does the sim card slot work?

 

I don't understand your question? Yes it works, you will just need to add a 4G/LTE M.2 card

 

@cakefish can the sharp screen cut down a bit your available power as regards overclocking? Maybe it can also explain the low stability range you have.

 

Where can i buy a 4G/LTE M.2 card?

 

doubtful, when u consider that the max. power consumption of the 4K panel is just 3.14W ( link)

 

you are right to quote panelook they always give precious info on screens but i find this max watt not quite correct maybe it's not the whole screen that is rated at 3.14W max ? maybe it's juste the CELL without the led backlight ?

 

Nah, having a 4K display wouldn't cause the memory to artifact in Unigine at relatively lower clocks. It's simply the silicon lottery. It's not a PSU limitation - I've had zero whole-system crashes. Windows itself stays rock steady, it's only the GPU driver that fails. The core isn't limited in the same way; I've tested it all the way up to +300 and it can go higher still, but I don't want to risk such crazy high voltages for everyday gaming on the 180W PSU.

Tried to narrow down my options. I think it's a choice between either +225/+100 at 1.1250V (+75mV) or +125/+100 at 1.0500 (stock voltage). The latter never comes close to breaking the 200W threshold while the former does frequently (in Unigine), so maybe it'd be safest to just stick with stock voltages... it's not like the 980M is underpowered at stock anyway.

Could just play it safe and cruise along on stock voltages with this 980M and hope that my next GPU, whatever that ends up being (likely the 1080M), is a better overclocker.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

This could be a good place, for european at least, but it should ship everywhere
https://techship.se/products/category/lte-ngff-m2/

 

i for one just overclock for benching, leave the system at stock clocks for gaming and underclock/undervolt for everyday usage @browsing/movies/etc

 

Haven't kept up very well with these threads since receiving my notebook, but just wanted to check in and share my thoughts after owning it for 2 weeks (heavy usage)

I have had the 980m version (NP8652) since Dec 23rd and Ill admit usually by this time I have found flaws, dislikes, and concerns from previous purchases. I have been out of the laptop game for awhile but my expectation for a laptop are still set fairly high. I can honestly say that this laptop has been like nothing I have previously encountered in that it is absolutely flawless. I mean seriously I cant think of one thing I dislike...

The overall look and feel is way more professional, solid, and sleek in real life then I had expected.
The Keyboard is perfect in size and functionality. The keys are very pleasant to type on. You can go wrong with the backlit keys!
From all my previous laptops I have had low expectations for the internal speakers. This laptop has set a new standard on my check list it is perfect for me.
Graphics. What more do you want best available... and chews up every game 1080p that I throw at it
Noise level on this machine is next to none. I cant hear it. my laptop cooler is louder than the laptop itself and the laptop is very silent not a peep when not gaming (cant say the same for previously owned laptops)
Temps (keep in mind I had factory applied IC Diamond installed. But temps are cooler on this laptop with higher end components then my non gaming laptops...
The screen (IPS 1080p LG) is beautiful. I haven't found a reason to try out my spare Samsung IPS 1080p panel. (I guess it will make a nice spare)
The chrome bezel around the fan vents looks great - originally against it before seeing it in person. (in person it looks fitting and definitely gives it a nice touch)

I honestly could keep going... if and when I ever find a flaw ill be sure to post it; however at this time (2 weeks after receiving - and trust me very heavy usage) I am a very proud owner of such a great machine.
:thumbsup:

 

:O

Then, you are doing all that delidding business for benching?

 

I've run into a pretty annoying issue - wanting to see my benchmarks but I can't run 3DMark, this is the error I get: -

Unexpected error running tests.
Workload Single init returned error message: File: device_resources.cpp
Line: 313
Function: class eva::com_ptr<struct ID3D11Buffer> __cdecl eva::d3d11::device_resources::create_buffer(const struct D3D11_BUFFER_DESC &,const struct D3D11_SUBRESOURCE_DATA *) const

Expression: hr: DX11 call failed [-2005270523].

Hardware device removed.
DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED: ID3D11Device::CreateBuffer:

people say its hardware/or driver issue, tried multiple drivers already, still the same thing. Games are good though? Not that I have many, but fine with the FFXIII's, dota 2, tf2. Any thoughts?

 

Okay guys, my wireless is seriously annoying me. It connects after waking it from a while in hibernation/sleep. But then it randomly drops the connection. I plugged my phone which is also using the same wireless connection perfectly and used USB tethering to use internet on my laptop. It works doing this method. I don't see this working using my home wireless connection either.
It's kind of annoying considering I just got the laptop. But there are a few variables,one of them being the hotels wireless. But then again every phone of my family is using the wireless perfectly. I'll wait till I return to new Zealand until I return it. Just to make sure that it isn't the current place I'm in. From there I will probably just try and rma it. I'm so glad for the 1 year global warranty I purchased.

In the interim, does anybody with this issue have a solution that I could try? I tried following the one HTWingNut posted but I got lost after step 4 in trying to find and change some value in the registry editor in win7. I've run the 'ping www.google.com -t' command in cmd to test the ping. It frequently spiked when connected but it also frequently 'request timed out' on me and it could not connect.

Would it be easier to request a new chip and install it myself? Is it something easily done? Or should I leave it to the more experienced? I'm kind of annoyed that this wasn't tested in quality control. I specifically asked for it to be tested by Ted but seems it wasn't done.

Other than this wireless issue, I'm actually liking this laptop. A lot thinner in person. It looks sleek, the keyboard is nice, the finger scanner is great, and the screen is gorgeous. It's too bad that the wireless had to bum out on me. I would really really enjoy using this laptop otherwise.

Cheers,

 

haha nooo, my previous post was referring to the gpu im heavily dependent on cpu power for work, so thats what its mainly gonna be for (and benching, of course ) besides, i just loooove to tinker

 

Yeah, same here. It's very annoying.

I had wireless issues and they were completely resolved after they sent me a replacement wireless card to install myself. I'm glad I opted for that instead of the alternative; which was sending the entire laptop back. I can advise you how to go about replacing the wireless card yourself if you like, it's relatively simple.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I'll try to post a video on the registry edit. But I still find the 7265 card suffers similar issues as the 7260 and if you want AC wireless at this time unfortunately that is the only offered option. Killer cards should be coming soon, and from my personal experience can say that it works wonderfully.

I'm assuming Omnom has the Intel card considering he tried using my "workaround" which applies to Intel only cards. The Intel cards have the ping spike issue. Maybe it's only on some, but it's prevalent enough to be an issue and not sure a replacement will fix it, but it's worth a shot I guess for peace of mind.

 

Hey

I am planning to buy a P651 but have a question about the wifi card, the shop i buy at only sells the n 7620 or the AC version. I am seeing on these forums people have problems with those cards. There is an option to buy without wifi module but i cannot really find any M.2 wifi cards anywhere.

So was wondering if it is a good idea to buy without wifi module and if so what module i should buy that works better than the n 7620

Another option might be to have a m.2 to Msata adaper and use a msata Wifi module, also in that case what would would be the best wifi card?

 

Guys, I was wondering what's the best way to change the power settings of this laptop. Is there some sort of priority between bios settings (I expect there are some, still haven't look around in it), the Clevo control center or windows? As of now I'll let the os do the work, and let the clevo software on high performance, but today and tomorrow I'll need every electron I could suck from the battery

 

best to set both the clevo hotkey and the windows implemented setting to powersaver / high performance to make sure its set on every level (OS / bios)

also nice to: set minimum display brightness / switch off all unneeded adapters (LAN, wifi, etc) / disconnect any externals / underclock & undervolt both GPU & CPU and force idle clocks even when load is applied

 

Random question with the headphone jacks.

For some reason my headphone jack and my soundblaster jack (red glowing one) keeps switching priority. For example yesterday I was able to use my regular headphone jack, and the next day it no longer worked, but instead worked in the soundblaster jack. Anyone experience this issue?

 

Isn't the red one for a spdi/f cable? I think they should both work with the soundblaster software, but anyway I've used only the headphone jack and it has worked good as of now. You could try to check windows audio and soundblaster settings, in case you haven't done it already.

Does the clevo settings works at bios level or not? I think it was already discussed before but I don't remember now. Also if I choose one profile in Windows, will it be setted in the clevo software by itself or not? What about the other way, if I set it in the Clevo software, is windows able to recognize it? I'm talking specifically about 8.1, in case.

About the undervolt/underclock, I'm not familiar, haven't tried anything similar before. I need Intel XTU, right?

 

Hi guys, I'm looking to purchase a P650SG from a reseller. I am pretty firm on how I want my laptop to be customized, except for one option, the screen.

As I am ordering it online I can't get a physical comparison, so I would like to ask for your opinions. These are the options presented to me:

1. FHD (1920X1080) Glossy Display (default)
2. FHD Matte Display (free to change)
3. FHD Matte Display with AHVA Wide viewing angle technology and Wide Colour Gamut
4. WQHD+ (2880x1620) IPS Matte Display
5. QFHD (3840 x 2160) Glossy Glossy Display With PLS Technology
6. QFHD (3840 x 2160) Glossy Display With IGZO Technology (SHARP)

Can anyone share their experience with their screen choices? Currently I'm interested in the IGZO (SHARP) screen, and while it is the priciest, the price is not really an issue. I previously made a thread in "What Notebook should I buy" and was directed here to seek more advice from actual owners.

 

You can't go wrong with the sharp display. I have the Panasonic 3k one, but everyone who has chosen the sharp is extremely pleased with it, and the scaling works really good with 1080p resolution, in case of games or videos.

 

yes it works at bios/ec level. profile choosing is independent from each other, thus best to change both. yes u can use xtu for all option

 

Well Ive had a stable connection for some time now and it is looking alright (By saying 'some time', I'm meaning over and above the 30secs I got before). Using that ping test command, I can visibly see my ping spikes. When I go to refresh my networks it then either times out or results in a large ping spike.

I don't want to speak too soon however. I've rung HIDevolution up to see what they can do for me, while they haven't been able to give me a solid answer as theyre currently in the processing of relocating, they did say that they were able to provide me with possibly a different wireless card. Apparently they did test it out on site during quality control, but they did suggest a wire coming loose or being knocked out of place, and offered to walk me through the process of checking everything is alright.

FIngers crossed it stays reasonably consistent. I'll leave for now and see how it goes when I come back. I'll expect the worse in the hopes I'm nicely surprised. TWingNut, if you could post a Registory Guide that would be great. I'm using windows 7 right now, so I don't know if thats an issue.

Cheers.

 

The potential AC wireless issues do have me on the fence about this model until the Killer cards are offered. I use a Netgear a6200 USB adapter now to hook up to my AC router but I had really been hoping for a reliable internal solution.