*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

Wow I must have all the luck? Did you guys even get stage 7 or tracking info. I got all of that the next day after we had all gotten a status change to stage 2. I didn't pay for rush or anything. I even applied the free ship promo. Ups picked mine up on the 18th

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Well yeah but if you want to compare the 1525 to intel you should talk about the 726 5, which two weeks after heavy use is more than perfect

 

So Scan have told me on their forums that Clevo themselves are the ones who forbid resellers to give out BIOS files. Which I don't really believe as mySN have the BIOS readily available on their XMG website!

 

No changes to my order status since it went to stage 2. I was wondering if you might have rushed yours but see that you didn't. Someone is looking out for you my friend! I'm never lucky just the way it goes for me!

 

No actually Clevo doesn't allow people to get directly from them Bioses/EC, they want us to get them from the reseller's website directly. EC/BIOS updates are not really put in front (except if there's a major issue) because people often don't really know how to update their bios or how to check if the downloaded bios is not corrupt, and often it results in RMA to clevo...and angry customers (even if they're at fault here)

 

Hi everybody!

First of all thank you for the amzing amount of infomation that you guys shared on this laptop !
Yesterday I received my NP8651 and I would like your opinion on the screen yellowish tendency. Take a look at the comparaison with my previous Dell Studio XPS.

Do you think:
1. The color is fine, my old screen was too blue
2. I should recalibrate it?
3. I should ask for a replacement?





Thanks guys !

 

Reflashing the BIOS fixed the Hotkey CPU throttle issue. It doesn't have to be set to Performance mode in the Hotkey software anymore for the CPU to boost up to max clocks

So at the end of the day it is Scan making that call not to send BIOS out to their customers. Oh, Scan, I still like you but this is a dent in your otherwise great customer service.

 

Scan have if it's not broken do not try to fix it policy.

 

Hmmm yeah that makes sense I suppose

Oh, by the way, does anyone know why reflashing the BIOS made Bluetooth come back to life - twice? But then Bluetooth vanishes the day after. I'll see whether it dies again tomorrow, but it's really odd that reflashing the BIOS brings it back to life. Makes me wonder whether the issue is BIOS related.

 

What screen do you have?
Sure try recalibrating the colors first , it can't hurt.

 

Some LG screens have that yellow problems sadly it's hardware related often, but a recalibration can improve that.



By the way, the HOTKEY 3.05.xx is available on the CLEVO website.

 

I got the IPS 1080p screen from Xotic PC so it's probably the B156HAN01.2.

What tool do you advice to calibrate a screen? I tried with the windows tool but it's not great !

 

You should buy a calibration tool that generates the correct .icc profile for you, like Datacolor's Spyder.

 

I have a Spyder Elite 4, its nice since it has no limit on how many screens you can calibrate so if you have multiples it could be worth it.

 

Mine went to stage 2 on the 18th and was shipped out that night. Mines supposed to be delivered tomorrow afternoon but I scheduled for pick up at a customer center so I can pick it up in the morning. I didn't have rush or expedited shipping either.

 

I agree, and you can even calibrate your TV with it too if you use some free 3rd party software (I used HCFR software for the TV). Makes a massive difference in picture quality to both PC and TV.

 

I returned my P35x V3-CF5 today.

Is there an in depth review of this laptop with the 980M and very detailed temperatures?

I would like to know if:

There is any throttling of any kind?

What is the temperature of the CPU during hard performance for like an hour.

What are the annoying problems with it if any?

...

I checked the notebook check one it's basic. Doesn't really go into detail.

Anyone have another one?

 

Why did you return your P35X v3, out of curiosity?

HTWingNut has produced a great review:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=9863349

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I returned my P35x V3 because:

1. Driver issues

I started to get blank screen after login. I would have to unistall video drivers every time. Plus I don't like how I can't download latest drivers.

2. Power problems.

I started to get this popping when booting. And then I checked Event Viewer and found DCOM Power Problems.

3. Fingerprints

At first was not that bad but then it's like a cave man used it and there was oil all over the place.

4. Throttling - Main Reason

Just seems to me that GPU technology is ahead of CPU technology in laptops. Just the idea that the laptop is having to dial down the CPU because it is running to hot is FALSE advertising now with the PC department. I mean if you get a desktop and run it perfectly cool you will get full performance. Here you are not getting full performance.

5. Notice Lag

I notice a lot of lag after playing for a very long time. This might not be the problem with the average user but for I just started to feel it.

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I don't think u really like the the Temps enough to buy the 8652. If it was super cool I might pull the trigger.

However I have decided to go pack to the GS60 Ghost Pro - 064. To me this is the perfect balance of temps with the best case I have see and keyboard. Call me crazy but I just like the chassis a lot. I think the 970M is the best bet is a slim factor and limit throttling. The 4710 CPU and it to me get along a lot better.

O well my journey continues but installing BF4 over and over again is getting old.

Regards (lol)

 

Where? I cant find it...

 

Here

My CPU when stressed to the death is <85-6° C after several hours of gaming or repeated benchmark average : 75°C

In normal gaming usage (COD Advanced Warfare / BF4 both ultra) it's <81°C average : 70-1°C


The GPU is <63°C in heavy gaming even after several hours. (max 2 hours straight i tested), in some benchmark the usage increase so brutally that the fan isn't even turned on to cope with the heat, so it can go to MAX 76°C for like two seconds, but average : 60°C ! which is way lower than the max temp (hence my explanation). However it's ultra cool for the 980M.

If you updated our bios/EC to remove the Hotkey bug, you won't notice any lag/throttle at all. Nothing like your previous laptop .

The cooling system was really well designed tbh.

 

Anyone have any experience with eurocom? The M5 pro seems to be the only p650sg option shipping here. Any feedback?

 

Is this easy to do for a nooby? Also, thinking of going Mythlogic on this -- Is the process for updating the same with the Dia 1614? Sorry for the noob question. Thanks.

 

This is what i was thinking about getting. Any suggestions? Different drive config? Intel vs Killer wireless? Thanks.

Trying to stay under $2400 if possible.

Configuration Summary


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Mobile Chassis MYTHLOGIC Dia 1614 Chassis (Clevo P650Sx)
BIOS Customization None
What da Puck?? None
MYTHLOGIC Stuff 1 None
MYTHLOGIC Stuff 2 None
Exterior Finish None
Mobile Display 15.6" 4K QFHD (3840x2160) Glossy IPS LCD (Sharp) ETA: Early January
Monitor Calibration Free MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration
CPU Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5GHz, 6M L3 Cache, Quad-Core Mobile Processor (4720HQ w/ 980M)
Thermal Compound Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
System Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 4GB GDDR5 with nVIDIA Optimus Technology
External Optical Drive None
RAID [Requires Identical Hard Drive Selections] None
m.2 Slots 1 None
m.2 Slots 2 None
Hard Drive 1 1TB 7200 32MB Cache SATA Notebook Hard Drive
Hard Drive 2 Crucial 512G MX100 Series SATA III 6GB/sec Solid State Drive
Keyboard Standard Backlit Keyboard - Chiclet
Mouse None
Network Card Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000 Mbits/sec) LAN subsystem
Wireless Card KILLER Wireless-AC 1525 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth
Bluetooth Integrated Bluetooth 4.0 with Intel 7260-AC and Killer 1202
Operating System Windows 8.1
Anti-Virus Software Microsoft Security Essentials
Productivity None
Extra AC Adapter None
Laptop Sleeve | MYTHLOGIC Recommends SLAPPA Gear None
Laptop Case | MYTHLOGIC Recommends SLAPPA Gear None
Wireless Display None
Notebook Cooler None
MYTHLOGIC Assurance MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 1 Year Parts Warranty, 45 Day 2-Way Shipping Cont US
Phoenix Upgrade Plan Lifetime Phoenix Upgrade Plan
Accidental coverage and Insurance None
FREE MYTHLOGIC T-Shirt Pick a size MYTHLOGIC T-Shirt - Medium
MYTHLOGIC System Media + Mousepad MYTH Mousepad and System Media

 

Mythlogic sell CLEVO (not sager) barebones so it should be exactly the same.

If you follow the instruction perfectly it is easy for a anyone . For me a noob is someone who doesn't take the time to learn or follow the instructions..

1) create a bootable USB using rufus
2) move all the files needed
3) learn what are the Bios commands (cd myfolder : access myfolder :, dir : shows what is in the folder you are currently located in) and READ the readme given with the bios/EC zip file
4) deactivate UEFI/secure boot (and follow the instructions given on this website in the CLEVO BIOS THREAD.
5) boot on the USB
6) if you read the readme you shouldn't have ANY problems : flash the EC BEFORE, once you're taking care of the bios update, launch MESET first wait for the reboot, than launch the flashme.Bat (or xxxxxx.bat it depends)

All you need to know is here AND in the README given with the bios zip

here is the readme just so everyone can read it thoroughly :

 

Bluetooth mucked up again. So a BIOS reflash will reliably wake it up but it always falls back into hibernation again shortly after, so to speak.

Let's see if the replacement card I get tomorrow is any better...

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Or alternatively ask Prema (or another BIOS hacker) to look into the Bluetooth functions in the BIOS.

 

Cakefish and i use exactly the same bios (1.03.03), so if i get bluetooth with my 7265 all the time, he should...i just hope it's a defective card and not a defective design regarding the 1525

 

Same here. Cause I've been reading around for the 1525 and havent seen anyone with the same problems on other laptops.

 

I think I'm just babying my new toy and I was also in a hurry to unbox it and install my hardware over my lunch break. I installed the SSD and was trying to install the ram but couldn't figure it out.

Trying to gain access to the two ram slots under the keyboard, I searched this thread and also remember reading how.. but I cant actually figure it out at least not as quickly or self explanatory as I thought.

I have removed the screws that were marked with the keyboard symbols however I do not see a push up hole or any way to unsnap the keyboard. do you do this from the outside? I remember reading you push up through a hole?

Other than that i felt like a 7 year old boy on Christmas day

 

Didn't you have bluetooth problems with the p35x?

I might have missed it but what are you using bluetooth for? Seems highly suspect to have bluetooth issues on two separate machines.

Could it be something that you are doing that is causing the issue?

 

Yep. I never seen anyone taking about Killer 1525 Bluetooth issues. Its either hardware fault or windows 8.1 issue.

 

Is there any way to replace the battery with a better one that will last longer and if so which battery would you recommend?

 

Its not upgradeable. Replaceable, yes.

 

So there is no way to improve the battery life with hardware?

 

The way the battery looks... there is no room for improvement unless Clevo makes one. There are no third party ones.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

I placed and order with Eurocom for the M5 Pro this last Sunday. They say it should be shipped around Tuesday. I'm hoping I can get my hands on it sometime soon. When I get it, I'll post on this thread about it as well.

 

Too busy enjoying it plus most of the conversation now seems to be about the SG, which I can't really contribute to.

 

you kidding me right, the way it works with killer cards is that it's a hit or miss, on some network it works flawlessly, on others you are straight up screwed. honestly the only differences between wifi adapters nowadays, given the same antennas and spatial streams, are the drivers. the features killer cards are offering are mostly useless. they had one job, which is to write better drivers than intel and that's all they needed, but it never happens.

 

Hey everyone,

Got my NP8651 with the LG IPS screen yesterday and I LOVE the fit and finish of this laptop. I have win 8.1 and all of the drivers installed and everything so far is working flawlessly. I don't have the killer wireless card like many of you have, but my Intel 7625 card is working great and the bluetooth is also functioning properly. The LG IPS panel is an LP156WF4 just incase anyone may be wondering.

 

Looks like I'm in a loop at Sager.. just got an update from Xotic and I am yet again in phase 2! Entered phase 2 on the 18th and now I get another notice on the 23rd that I am in phase 2 again. I bet they messed up on the 18th and I am just now hitting production. They kinda overshot the 19th ETA a bit!

Oh well.. maybe by the flippin new year..

Living vicariously through you all until I get this machine so keep posting the good stuff!

 

Another issue. I've tried playing some games tonight and was faced with massive periodic frame drops in all games - though CPU temps never went past 63°C! It wasn't like this before. I stress tested the CPU using XTU and it easily held its boost clock at a stable rate and temps reached the low 80's. Not so in games, it regularly throttled. Power usage and thermals were perfectly normal. But all the games I tested had frequent frame drops, almost like clockwork. GPU-Z revealed GPU usage dipping right down for a split second whenever these frame drops occurred.

I've tried reinstalling the GPU driver and of course had the laptop say to high performance mode in both hotkey software and windows power plans. Any ideas?

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Have you tried playing the games without running any monitoring software? How about closing other programs one by one whilst running the games to see if you can isolate the culprit?

 

I got an email from xotic today and it was for the second shipping notice for the goodies that came with the laptop. So check the tracking numbers, I thought the same thing as you when they said I was in stage 7 again which I thought was funny since my laptop should be here tomorrow lol.


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Is there any other people with throttling issues with the P650SE/SG? I've got this on order but hopefully this is a one off!

 

Yes.

It wasn't an issue yesterday. Now it is. No idea what changed. Hmmm...

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Haven't you just reflashed your BIOS?

 

Yes, but that shouldn't impact anything? It's same BIOS as before, not modded in anyway.

I think this is software issue. Like I said, it had no issues keeping full boost clocks in XTU stress test.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I agree that it's probably a software issue, that's why I suggested switching off non-essential programs and seeing if that eliminates the problem. Not sure what I'd try if that doesn't work.