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Anyone having issue with the NP8651 detecting external monitor? This is really getting annoying and XoticPC are not replying any phone calls nor emails......

 

didn't try, can you manage to try with a mini DP to HDMI display cable ?





Tomorrow getting finally my IPS GLOSSY Edp : it's a LG LP156WF4 SP U/J1 or an AUO B156HAN03.0.




CLEVO Guys, update your EC/BIOS to 10.03.04 / 1.03.03 (you can find it on the XMG link jaybee posted on the first page), I did it, the GPU fan spinning once in a while bug is now present only minutes after booting the computer, (it's not annoying to be honest, I just don't know if it's intentional or a bug)


for sager go to their website if you want to update the bios/EC (dunno if they posted the latest versions).

 

is DSR working for anyone of you (980m)?

 

I don't have mini DIP to HDMI cables around. From what I have researched from Google, people are blaming the Optimus function being the problem that stopping Nvidia card to detect the monitor.....

I literally have no idea how to fix this any more.....

And also, in the Nvidia control panel, there is no video settings, but only 3D settings....

 

Yes the nvidia drivers don't display any settings because the nvidia chip has no control over the display. That is all handled by the intel IGP and the intel driver panel. This is entirely normal for an optimus setup.

 

I also updated the Intel card by using the Intel driver update utility just hoping that the Intel side works normally to detect the monitor. Also disabled the Intel virtualization technology after reading someone's post.

No luck still.....

 

So I got my P650SE this weekend, but can't do much because I'm very busy with work and am also waiting for my main SSD to come. Just to mention, the screen is an AU Optronics B156HAN01.2 model. Pretty happy with it so far but haven't done much with it other than browse couple of forums.

 

Yep the Igpu handles that stuff.

 

I would try another cable if you can and just double check with another display. However if it really wont detect anything there may be an issue with the port. Try looking at it and see if there is anything physically up with it.

 

Hey, someone from Sibiu Romania! Glad to hear you got yours

 

Interstering thing is, I just checked my friend's Sony vaio which has a 640m LE with a Intel IGPU but in its Nvidia control panel, the video setting does exist and that laptop worked flawlessly with my HDMI cable and monitor.......

Then I thought, maybe it's the driver version. So I downloaded and installed the exact version which is 344.65, but it just did nothing with mine......

I'm really confused where the problem is now......
I really think this is a software/driver compatibility issue but it seems no one else is having this problem here......hoping it's not from the hardware....

 

Just looked carefully at the port, it looks really clean and healthy.

 

Can you please try World of Tanks!

Thanks

 

Might be a problem regarding your HDMI port, like I said if you can, just purchase for some £/$/E, a mini-DP to HDMI cable to try, or RMA it to xotic...

 

Thank you for the miniDP idea.

I probably can just get one of those and try. If it works, then it means the HDMI port is defective, THEN I will do a rma to xoticpc for sure because I really don't want having bought something completely new but with a defective part.
If the miniDP doesn't work, that means the Video card is faulty.

So according to the above two assumptions, I will need to return it either way if I cannot solve it from a software/driver end.

I will just wait till tomorrow see if their 24/7 tech support will pick up the phone.

But thanks for the idea anyway.

 

I've received my new P650SG, but i've a problem with it, in all game, i've FPS drop, unplayable, its seems that CPU throttle but temp is 60/65°, don't understand why...
Anyone has an idea?

 

Make sure your power plan is set to high performance.

 

Yes i'm on high performance mode and 980M is selected for my differents games, problem seems to come from CPU

 

Monitor your temps with hwinfo. Make sure to run it sensor only mode.

 

CPU is at 65° in game, no throttling

 

With all these problems popping up in this thread I'm starting to question my purchase hope that my SG will be just fine!

 

Now that my Bluetooth issue has been resolved, I am seriously loving this laptop. Haven't tested some of the hardware yet such as the microphone, so I hope that that's all ship shape. I'm spending the night away from my precious, as I've had to make an unforseen train journey to collect some coursework I forgot to bring with me when I travelled back home for the Christmas break a couple of days ago. Stupid me!

I've seen the exact same being said over in the Gigabyte P35X v3 thread. Remember that the people experiencing problems will inevitably post the most frequently, until the issues are solved. Don't fret too much

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I've noticed that even if I change the power plan to "high performance" it doesn't function as well as I would like unless I change the setting in clevo's "Hotkey" utility. For example, If I have the Hotkey setting on power saver, but the power plan on "high performance", it will still only clock up to 1.5Ghz.

(Function + ESC for those unfamiliar how to get to Hotkey utility)

 

I just posted my review for the NP8652 / P650SG: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...80m-initial-impressions-review-htwingnut.html

 

I'm with high performance on HotKey Utility too, cannot understand where it comes from

 

Hello everyone, I placed an order today for a Eurocom M5 Pro with a GTX 970M. Super excited that it will ship in the next two days. Although, I'll likely get it next Monday because of the upcoming holidays. My questions is: is it worth it to go with the no dead pixel warranty for $ 75 CAD? Hopefully, I can get my hands on this thing asap. Very excited!!

 

@HT
your review of p650sg shows that the CPU is oriented vertically? is that the same with p650se? because that would mean a huge portion of the cpu is actually not covered by the heatpipes...

 

It shows that? I don't think so...

 

if you look at the picture after he takes off the heat sink, the CPU is vertically oriented

 

Yes it is fore/aft. I see what adampk17 is saying though, the heatpipes don't go along the length of the CPU but width. It must have been a better cooling solution.

 

I would think it's much worse, if you shift the cpu back to horizontal orientation then the heat pipes cover the entire CPU stripe, while here you have rely on the copper plate to conduct heat for the parts that heat pipes don't cover

 

Define "width"?

The Intel i7-4710HQ "package" might be technically as 37.5mm x 32mm x 1.6mm -- around 1,000mm^2 -- but that's the BGA packaging with pin-out. The actual IC is much, much, much smaller and far less area. I.e., Haswell HQ at 22nm with over a billion transitors runs around 177mm^2, so around 13-14mm on a side. It's really in all how you thermally package the substrate, handle the traditional or even conduction or other cooling, etc...

Manufacturers have to deal with these type of engineering and design decisions.

 

HTWingNut... you're awesome.
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BUT... there is a but. You desktop background is awesome and I want it! Source?
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How is upscaling from 1080p to the internal 4k monitor on text (browser) and desktop?

 

I am using the Clevo P670SG and experienced the same. I have no CPU or GPU throtteling, but I found two "solutions"...

- 1: Nvidia has problems with their drivers in combination with the new maxwell cards:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...rds/763072-gtx-980m-benchmarks-thread-28.html
344.75 NVIDIA driver - EVGA Forums

- 2: Use the programm Throttelstop! My CPU isnt throtteling but this programm gained me 30-60 extra fps!!! (depends on the game)

 

I did briefly try this out. I'll have a closer look when I get back home again. It's decent, though I definitely prefer running the desktop at 4K and then applying 150%-200% scaling in Windows. Despite the occasional scaling issues (e.g. Origin) it overall looks much sharper.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

this behaviour is expected, if u think about it: the hotkey utility makes its changes directly to the system bios / embedded controller, whereas the windows settings is just working on the OS level. thus, the hotkey setting goes way deeper and overrides the OS setting. thus, best thing to do when switching from power saver to high performance or vice versa is to set both options to the desired setting, then u can be sure ure getting what ure aiming for

 

One thing I noticed though is that if you make your own Windows profile and switch profiles in the Clevo Control Center, it won't necessarily choose the proper Windows profile, so double check that too.

 

yes, that is indeed the case. sorry if i wasnt clear enough before: best is to apply BOTH the hotkey and windows profile settings since they operate independently from each other, although the hotkey setting has more of an influence on overall performance than the os setting

 

That's the "package" which is the PCB, not the die. See the photo, the die is clearly a rectangle at least twice as long as it is wide





I'm sure they tested cooling length-wise and width-wise, and didn't just arbitrarily stick the chip on the PCB.

 

Question: how can one tell if a GPU overclock is 'safe' for the power adapter at hand? I'm not worried about temps at all with this machine, but rather the limitations of the 180W power adapter. How can I know that an overclock is not putting excessive strain on the power adapter?

I say this because the P35X v3 seemed to cope well with moderate GPU overclocking (+135/+200); I was more worried about thermals than anything else.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Measure temperature of the unit and power draw. It really all depends on how the PSU is built as well. If it's limiting performance, then it's safe to say the PSU is maxed out. Anything running at 100% most of the time is going to have stress on the unit. I can say though that the P650SG with 980m at stock should be fine with the 180W.

 

Oh, I'm not worried about stock clocks at all. I'd like to perform an overclock of +135 to the core, I desire no more then that (can't expect miracles from this PSU). For the memory, I'm not sure but I know I can't get too crazy.

Just would like to know what the telltale signs of overloading the PSU too much are, so that I can keep an eye out and ensure I set clocks at a safe enough level. Basically, I want to avoid the PSU exploding!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

You can buy Dell 240w psu and compatible adapter to avoid overloading issue. PSU usually have overload protection, so it'll cut off output if it detect too much load.

 

yup, basically if the psu is overloaded ur machine just switches off instantly without any warning. had that happening to me with my p150HM and the stock 180W psu

 

I bought a power consumption monitor from Amazon so that I can check the wattages the PSU is drawing and keep it under 180W.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Just remember the power supply is rated for 180w power output. However it probably has a efficiency rating of between 80-90% so it should be able to handle somewhere between 200-220w power draw from the wall depending on its rating. This still is not enough for a major overclock, but it really is plenty for the +135 mhz that does not require a flashed bios. There are lots of safety mechanisms though so there should be no real worries. Just check how hot the supply is after an hour of so of heavy load, it will be warm, maybe even a little hot, but should not be REALLY HOT!!!

 

How hot is really hot? Too hot hold in the hand I suppose?

Also, is it safe to flash the BIOS of the XMG P505? It is a more recent version than my BIOS. Just wondering if mySN has done any custom tweaking only for their systems, like how Sager does.

 

Well my method of checking is I touch it to see if it has properly warmed up, then I break an egg over it. If the egg cooks properly it is too hot.

No seriously though play a game that will max it out for an hour or so at stock speeds and pick up the power supply. Then when you overclock your laptop if the supply feels significantly hotter (like 5-10c hotter) you might want to reduce the overclock. And it should never get hot enough you want to use a hot-pad or gloves to pick it up.

 

no I don't think they did that for cooling but rather circuit traces on the mobo, because if you think about it there's no way that current cooling they have is going to be better than having the heatpipes covering over the CPU strip. now the heat pipes are only covering a portion of the strip, leaving the rest of heat to be conducted by the 1mm copper pad, which is part of the main reason why CPU temp is a lot higher than the GPU temp.

my guess is that they don't have room for the circuits lines on the mobo because the CPU is right next to the DIMM slots with minimal spaces, but again I could be wrong since I don't know how the pin layout goes for the CPU

@our beloved bjs do you think you have an explanation on this lol? you always have explanations for everything!