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For 15 inch, I would much prefer a 2K screen instead of 4K. But with 17 inch, a 4K screen is indeed a must.

 

If you were to even bother looking for a 2K spec'd 15.6 you may as well get one with a good 1080p screen or 3K and correct me if I'm wrong but with the 17 I don't think it's right to say 4K is a must when there isn't one readily available?

 

Well, my NP8651 with the Sharp 4K screen is scheduled to arrive this week

Looks like I'll be one of the first to get it, although anyone who opted for faster delivery will beat me (I just stuck with the free delivery)

Already have the free Windows 8.1 I got through my university loaded to a usb and ready to install. Getting this thing and getting it up and running should be a nice reward for surviving finals this week

 

How can you say 4K at 15.6" is far too much (282PPI) and 17.3" is perfect (255PPI) when the difference in pixel density is merely 10%?

Hi, fellow Sharp 4K'er!

THE RACE IS ON!!!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Yep, or just download all the drivers from here: 藍天Clevo

The thing is, I'm not able to adjust to 3k resolution in any way, shape, or form. It goes from 2k to 4k and nothing in between. Intel's custom modes when I set it to a 3k res says it exceeds bandwidth which we know is crap because it can run at 4k/60. Games like Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age Inquisition handle the resolution a bit differently. They actually run at full screen, but adjust the quality to the resolution which you want. Kinda weird, but it seems to work. Although I can only get Dragon Age to work at "full screen window" otherwise it runs it in a corner of the screen.

And some older games may run well at 4k, but depends on what games you mean too. Many games don't support much more than 1920x1200.

I'm not sure what you mean by "There is no Samsung 4k display". This one is Samsung, 4k, 60Hz, but I'd like to know what the issues are that you're referring to. It's 10 times better than any TN screen and on par with other IPS I've used.

Open up the bottom and double check that the wires are properly connected to the wi-fi card. Sounds like a typical cable disconnected issue.

 

Mine xmg p505 with 980m and fhd ips panel will be dispatched today. I will report on the screen quality Tomorrow.

 

Hey Guys,

so I've just translated the review I've written. you can have a look here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqwfjxiri32h3ns/XMG P505PRO EN.pdf?dl=0

please be gentle, this is my first review, also I know, there will be a lot of error's concerning the grammar etc... however, I hope you like it and it helps some people with their decision.

 

Can anyone confirm if you can boot from a Samsung XP941 m.2 x4 PCI-e 2.0 drive?. I have my P670 arriving today or tomorrow with no HDD or SSD and I'm looking at either the 512gb XP941 or the 512gb Samsung 850 Pro and both are in the same(ish) price range.

If I can boot from the XP941, I think I'm tempted to get one even though they get toasty.

Any specific reason I really shouldn't buy one over the 850 pro? (if I can boot that from the XP941 that is).

 

I'm pretty sure he's saying that because the Samsung screen is PenTile RGBW , which achieves a perceived 4k resolution by "cheating" a little bit - it doesn't actually have a full RGB set of subpixels for every pixel.

More here: PenTile matrix family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Thank you!

 

I'm too totally on 4K screen. Gaming on 1080p AAA title game is worth enough for now and soon enough many industries and software company will support 4k screen and gtx 980m is good graphic card. Try imagine watching movie on 4k screen. 4k screen is not all about gaming. Watching surfing internet and windows 10! OMG i can't wait my laptop aaaaaarghhh estimated time is Jan.8 . I'm looking forward for your review Cakefish! (sorry for my English)

 

Aha - is this proof then that the Samsung panel, despite being listed as having a 48Hz main clock, is doing a full 60Hz in the Clevo laptops?

As others have said, it's a pseudo-4K display as opposed to having 3840 discrete clusters of RGB pixels. For that reason, going for the Sharp is the better of the two options, providing your reseller stocks it that is!

 

I, too, am interested in purchasing this Clevo p650SE. I am just wondering a couple of things, regarding the 4K display options.

I notice that Samsung and Sharp both share 60Hz, 8-bit color, and 72% NTSC, However, Samsung got 16ms and RB(BW), while Sharp 25ms, RGB and brighter.

Is the Sharp really worth the $125 or so over the Samsung? It seems to me like the Samsung is targeting toward budgeting customers, more so than the Sharp.

 

Holy quacamole! 252 pages?? Dang...

 

I hope it helped you

 

With the 1080p panel I'm getting better than expected power consumption. Less than 15W per hour at the moment according to BatteryBar. Mind this is after I undervolted.

I wasn't aware that there was a Samsung 4K panel capable of doing 60Hz, but I must admit I'm a little surprised. I've heard good things about the Sharp 4K panel so far. It's the same panel used in the Notebookcheck review of the P651SE and it scored quite well (though the 3K Panasonic panel used had greater brightness).


EDIT: Didn't really answer the question.

Yes i would get it if:
Windows scaling issues fixed
Intel fixes their graphics driver so I don't have to play Civ at 4K resolution (which is not nearly as awesome as it sounds)
It was available right away

I had a Clevo W230SS which had a Pentile display and I couldn't get for the life of me get over the slight jagginess with the text on screen. Samsung use this in their Galaxy phones which is fine since the it's over 400PPI, but with a display at about 250 PPI, it's far more noticeable. Or maybe I sit too close to my computer.

 

I'm refreshing Scan's order tracking page every few minutes
My build hasn't been updated today at all but it was already on the installing software stage by Friday evening. I'm wondering if there's still a chance it may be dispatched in the next couple of hours. The suspense is killing me!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

When they dispatch, they will sent you a text massage with DPD tracking no, so wait for the text. Sometimes text/email update come after 6pm.

 

I'm heading out to the UPS depot to pick up my 650SE with a Sharp 4K right after I hit post I got the text last night that it has arrived at they are holding it for me :thumbsup:

 

Yeah, I read that but not sure I see the issue. If someone can tell me exactly what to test for or look for I'll be happy to respond. But I don't see it as a concern from what I've used it for so far. It doesn't look "grainy, pixelated, speckled, with blurry text" as described there, and it is quite bright.

When I first heard of all the horrible things users were saying about it I was expecting something horrible. It's not horrible, it's not bad, it's not even good, it's great. I have no vested interest either way. And as I stated, I'm happy to test something, or evaluate something more closely if users want answers, but from what I see, I don't see any concerns.

Yes 60Hz. And I understand the consternation with it. Just if I was an average Joe looking for a nice 4k display and received this I wouldn't be any the wiser and probably not ever notice. I was just expecting the worse, and I don't see any negatives from a user perspective.

 

You beat me to it! I'm very interested to know your impressions of the display. Enjoy!

I'm really, really hoping I get that text today.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I always wondered what the fuss was about about pentile 4K screens and your "regular" 4K screen.
While I'm sure both are great and maybe the Sharp 4K screen is better in some ways but in the end 4K is 4K is it not?
Anyway it's good to hear the Samsung screen is very good and does not suffer from jaggies, ghosting or have any other issues.
HT can you see if text looks good when the 4K display is set to 1080P.
If I do get a 4K screen I will probably set it at 1080P and leave it there and not go back and forth between different resolutions, I'd prefer a great IPS 1080p screen from the start but don't really want to start swapping out screens myself.
I prefer gloosy screens ( I know blasphemy!) and it seems most offered are matte but the samsung 4K is nice and glossy

 

Sure I can post some images. I have it at 4k but with scaling fonts/windows 200% and it looks pretty good. Will change res to 1080p and set scaling to 100% and take images of both.

Here's two images... if you can tell me which is which I will give you a cookie.

One is 4k @ 200% scaling
One is 1080p @ 100% scaling

 

Top one is 4K, bottom is 1080. The difference between them is like night and day!

 

The sharpness of the fonts is definitely better in the 4k screen (plus the image titles kinda give it away).

The more interesting comparison would be Samsung 4K vs Sharp 4K.

 

hmmm...difficult, cuz the bottom one is actually a tiny bit "blurry" thus it may also be the 4K interpolation plus the 200% resize of windows at work here. i sure hope im wrong though!

edit: ha! i AM wrong! nice, very glad about that

 

First impressions - definitely the way to go! I'm coming off a 15" Retina MacBook Pro and this is quite nice. The screen makes a little crinkle noise when you flex (twist) it but that's obviously not something I'm going to be doing normally. I haven't tried and games yet but hopefully will be able to do so this afternoon.

 

LOL. Oops. I usually post to Imgur which changes the name. But those are both the same screen, just the 4k running at 1080p and at 4k.

I don't see the difference as night and day personally, I like the 1080p screen at 1080p better than the 4k at 1080p or at 4k at 200%.

 

4K takes a little while to get used to (as the proportions of title bars, menus etc will all change). Once you get over that, though, I've found the text is pin-sharp and 1080p text on a 1080p monitor then looks kind of blocky/fuzzy. This is from the experience of having a 28" 4K panel at home, then going to work where I have a 24" 1080p screen (ironically one of my old monitors, as I had one going spare).

I went for the 3K screen option on my P650SG and it reminds me very much of the 28" 4K screen at home - the text has that same "pin sharp" look to it, something which I daresay will be even better on the 4K option. I'm resigned to the days of 100% UI scaling in Windows to be in the past before too long!

I too would be interested in seeing a Sharp vs Samsung panel comparison. Interestingly the spec sheet which mentioned 48Hz several times, in the "for Clevo only" document, has been removed from Eurocom's site.

 

4K Screen Comparison Model

Panel Specification Compare - Panelook.com

I'm not literally sure if this is accurate but it's the only models at 4K that fits the description. Are these the right models?
If it is, then Sharp 4K have 3H hard coating seems a good protection. Samsung is PLS and Sharp unknown.

Why Sharp 4K IGZO is better than Samsung 4K panel



Now I feel bad a bit picking Samsung.. should have waited for Sharp.

 

sharp is IPS

 

Well this has been a major anti-climax. No progress on my order at all today. I guess they had too much of a backlog to fill. I'm disappointed. Was looking forward to just having one more sleep to go. Fingers crossed for a dispatch tomorrow.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

as mentioned before, theres still a chance of the magic text reaching u after 6 keeping fingers crossed for that

 

Good things come to those who wait It will be worth it, trust me :thumbsup:

 

There's still a little part of me that's hoping they simply forgot to update the tracking info on their system. C'mon little Scan elves, you can do it!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

First everything we have seen so far about the Samsung shows it to be 48hz max except for when some users overclocked it (which involved increasing voltage which is risky). So not sure if they made modifications to raise it to 60hz, or if you are missing something? If it is 60hz though that would remove one of the major drawbacks to it.

As to the TLDR on other issues:

Spoiler

It has half of its pixels be white instead of RGB, here is a comparison of its pixel setup vs the Sharp RGB stripe panel.

Samsung
R G BW R G BW R G BW
BW R G BW R G BW R G
R G BW R G BW R G BW
R G BW R G BW R G BW
BW R G BW R G BW R G
R G BW R G BW R G BW

Sharp
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B
R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B R G B

Both of these are 6 pixel by 6 pixel, but
Samsung = 72 subpixels, ( R=18, G=18, B=18, W=18)
Sharp = 108 subpixels ( R=36, G=36, B=36)

This gives the Sharp a total of 8,294,400 red, 8,294,400 blue, 8,294,400 green subpixels each having a width of 0.03 mm and height of 0.09 mm
The Samsung however has 4,147,200 red, 4,147,200 blue, 4,147,200 green, and 4,147,200 white subpixels each having a width of 0.045 mm and a height of 0.09 mm
So even in the best case where the white pixels can be used you still only have 2/3 the horizontal PPI, although the vertical PPI is the same.

Now the real problem comes when there are lots of bright vibrant colors on the screen, since the white subpixel can only be used for more pastel colors, or grayscale. In these cases the white subpixels are unusable which while not as noticeable at these PPI numbers can cause that graininess that many complain of since there is a grid of black pixels amongst the RGB ones. Also when images are stretched the use of the white pixels in the upscaling algorithms can cause that washed out effect that some complain about.

As a Specific case lets look at a pure blue patch on 3 different screens. Actually ended up making a image for this lol.

Looking at this you can see that if you are only using a pure blue (or red or green) then the RGB stripe lights up 33% of its subpixels, the RGBW only lights up 25%. The further from pure colors you get the more other subpixels can allow light through however till at any point on the gray scale both types become nearly identical as far as % of subpixels used.


The offset of the pixels also may give a less than perfectly straight appearance to vertical lines such as in text. On the other hand it should give slightly better angular lines. Overall whether this is an advantage or disadvantage will probably depend on which fonts/language you use and such.

That said it is not necessarily a bad screen in all respects, it still will have as many RGB pixels horizontally as a 1080p screen, and have double the vertical pixel count. So when comparing to a 1080p screen it will likely be sharper. It also will maintain color better at angles than a TN screen so it will probably look superior to most of them. A good 1080p IPS screen will probably look better, and a good 3k like the panasonic, or the true 4k Sharp screen should both be far better.

I also heard somewhere that Samsung is coming out with a new 4K screen though I have no clue if it has come out yet, or when it will if it does. So this should only be taken in reference to the RGBW (pentile) screen being used so far.

 

very nice explanation summed up in a nutshell thx for that ningyo

 

After using the P651SE a couple of days I've noticed a problem with the SSD. I replaced the 1TB HDD with a 500GB samsung 840 EVO. Installed magician and updated to the newest firmware. Just did the benchmarks and they turn out like this:



After some googling I tried installing newest intel chipset drivers (just googled intel chipset and downloaded? is that right?). Also tried activating RAPID mode in magician. After the reboot I had really good benchmarks with read speed of 1600 and write speed of 550, but 2min after that it was like in the attached image again.

Anyone knows what's up? I've also switched on OS performance etc. in magician.

 

Did you install the latest 840 evo firmware ?

 

make sure ure on high performance mode / installed latest intel rapid storage drivers / ur ssd is idle and not being used by windows when benching / did a fresh windows install and did not just transfer the hdd installation

performance mode in magician is crap, it actually slows down ur ssd by 15% rapid mode gives u nice benchmark numbers but real life performance is a tad slower than regular mode so leave rapid disabled.

also, check thessdreview.com for the ssd tweaking guide in win 8 / 8.1, that should cover all your potential slowdown bases

 

Thanks a lot. I've installed the latest firmware. Currently I'm trying with the performance restoration app from samsung. Will disable performance mode after that. I did the benchmarks when it was idle. Also will install the latest IRS drivers, but think I got them already.

I will tell you how it worked after that.

 

also make sure ure in ahci mode and not ide set in bios

 

How do i do that? Change from IDE to AHCI in bios? Thanks

 

enter bios by repeatedly pressing either f2 / del or f12 durong bootup depending on the machine then change storage controller mode to ahci, if its not already like that

 

Works now. Could have been that my AC wasn't connected? It said it was in high performance mode on the battery, but after I did the restoration fix + connected my AC it's at 500/500. Thanks for great help guys

 

aaaah ok, glad it was that uncomplicated! i had to work way harder to get peak performance with my 850 pro 1tb

 

No need to thank jaybee

I suggested the Firmware update for the 840 evo, as always jaybee was USELESS , now go back on the p751ZM topic you traitor !
More seriously 840 evo prior to an important firmware update were hit by serious performance issues.

 

I don't normally cross post things, but our other hardware thread was kind of dead, and I'm curious how much interest there might be in my making more adapters like this.

I have had success adding a USB 3.0 port to the insides of my P650se. I'll probably end up making a mod thread for people wanting to do this in the future at the very least. Because it requires a bit of precision soldering (to an M.2 board...NOT the motherboard), I may be willing to make a few compatible boards for members, but it certainly won't be before the end of the year...I'm excited to travel up to Michigan for the holidays.

So a few notes on this mod:

- One of the two slots on the P650se carries USB 3.0 natively on the M.2 NGFF interface. This is great news, because it's a very simple design on the M.2 board, and it uses the i7 / Chipset native USB 3.0 controller.

- The M.2 interface does not appear to supply a 5v source (or at least an adequate 5v source) for a usb device as small as a Logitech receiver to operate. So, I had to find another source of power in the motherboard. Obviously I don't want to solder anything to the motherboard directly, but the 2.5" SATA interface is an easy location to tap for 5v.

- Because we're limited on space, and depending on the USB device you wish to keep internal, you may need to relocate the USB port it self to another location in the case. Essentially, you would solder a USB dongle from the NGFF board to another location in the case. The obvious location is in the 2.5" HDD caddy, where the SATA connector is being tapped for power. Again, this location is only feasible if you're using 1 2.5" HDD/SSD. Another potential location is where the other M.2 SSD is typically mounted, or to the right of the Wifi card where there is a small blank space. A lot of it depends on how big of an adapter you want to stuff inside your notebook.

- If you want more than 1 USB port, or want them operating on another controller, I have another strategy that works. It essentially adds a USB 3.0 controller on an M.2 board and interfaces via PCIe. This method also requires a 5v source, and a bit more soldering. In my case, I'm using a Renesas µPD720202 chipset. This may be the method of choice for machines that came with PCIe functionality, but not a wLAN / 4G offering.

I'll include a quick photo of my test machine. Several changes will have to be made from this photo (soldering the 5v directly to the board instead of using a molex style adapter for example) but here is your proof of concept. I love having my G700's RF receiver inside the case and not external!

 

Hello,

Looking for some help with the Clevo drivers page for the 650SE. Installed an 850 Pro and got all the drivers off the CD that came with the laptop but it doesn't appear to have ones for the fingerprint sensor and the 7265 wifi card. Links on cleave.tw downloads page for 650se don't appear to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks

 

Magician High Performance mode speeds up the Pro drives so it's strange to hear it has the opposite see l effect on the Evo drives.

My thingy did not get dispatched today. I'm hoping there'll be signs of life at Scan tomorrow. Anticipating a Wednesday delivery.

Sent from my Nexus 5