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I'm not seeing any info, nor many complaints from users or in reviews, about the M.2 Crucial M550 getting too hot, so I'm sticking with my choice to use that as my OS SSD and use a 7K1000 as my storage HDD. If it becomes necessary, I'll follow HTWingNut's footsteps and put some thermal foam between it and the chassis. (I still want at least 512GB, but my budget is too tight for a larger SSD. I only got the M550 because I found it on sale for $150).

 

Where did you find it on sale if you dont mind me asking.

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http://www.thessdreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/XP941-Crystal-DiskMark.png

Depends in the conditions that you're testing, the above bench shows that the XP941 can match the admittedly very impressive 4K results of the SanDisk x Pro, but anything above 512 and it runs off into the distance So you're not loosing anything in 4K by choosing the Sammy PCIe, but are gaining a huge advantage at the mid to full sequential end (and the price difference of course).

But the XP941 isn't just a OS drive and you're still miles and miles ahead of a normal HDD and even mid range SSDs!

 

It was on Amazon about a month ago.

 

I see the LPC Digital version of the laptop have the 7265 Wireless card. Any idea on how that is different from the 7260 ?

 

Weird, I wonder when that changed. My order shows a 7260 card. I think the 7265 is an updated version, with a more current implementation of the AC wireless specification.

Product Briefs:

7260: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...ual-band-wireless-ac-7260-bluetooth-brief.pdf

7265: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...t-briefs/dual-band-wireless-ac-7265-brief.pdf

 

Where did you order from? Anyhow specs on both those wireless seem kinda the same except that 7265 is only M.2?

Also, is there any ETA on the 3k screen?

 

I ordered from LPC Digital. There were a few differences in terms of 802.11ac implementation, and "Intel Power Optimizer" for the 7260 vs "Microsoft InstantGO Support" for the 7265, but yeah, other than the form factor, they look the same. Maybe 7265 is just a newer revision?

No idea about 3k, sorry.

 

Just an FYI, although the latest email I got from LPC Digital shows a 7260, when I pull up the config online, it says 7265. Wonder which one I'll actually get?

 

The 7265 is a revised verison of the 7260, it includes wake and stability fixes, however the latest hardware revision of the 7260 include those fixes too supposedly. The 7265 marks the transition between Mini PCie + M.2 to M.2 only too. Just prefer the 7265, the 7260 is known to have bugs.

 

those bugs were just in early driver revisions and have been dealt with now, i for one have been using a 7260 without any issues

 

Nah, this is not restricted to software issues , for people playing network intensive games (League of Legends), and using some features of W8.1 in special conditions they still have issues. (I'm one of them btw ). Disabling U-apsd helped achieve a better stability but the connection is slow, the problems affect navigation under a 5.4Ghz connection particularly. Some Mini-Pcie cards suffer from hardware bugs, if you have an M.2 card, with 2 mounting screws than you probably have the revised version.

 

So when spec'ing up a new XMG P505, should I choose the

1. 'Qualcomm Atheros Killer Wireless-AC 1525 (with Bluetooth)' £35

or

2. 'Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 (with Bluetooth)'? £25

 

Hi,
does anybody own the P651 with the gtx980m? I can't find any review / test or something like this. I want to know if the GPU and CPU still gets "that" hot as the frame is slightly bigger (29mm)?

 

no one has the 980M version yet, theyre expected to start shipping at the end of november/beginning of december

 

I'd go with the Intel chip. The Killer ones are just rebrands of them anyway.

 

awww.... I thought maybe some models were send to the press for reviewing....

 

Killer card use QualcommAtheros WiFi chipset. I'm using their 1103 card without killer software suite and I have no issue with connection.

 

Maybe they have been but NDA?

 

PCIe and all coming NVMx are going to demand a premium at first. They will come down, and also become more commodity. That's why I'm waiting, and just purchased a 512GB M.2 Crucial m550 for now.

I'm looking hard at getting the 2.5" Sandisk Extreme Pro 960GB. It's one of the few, commodity near-1TB devices that sticks with MLC, instead of going with TLC.

The addition of another bit in the cell reduces lifespan by a full order of magnitude (1/10x). Basic NAND realities, regardless of firmware.

 

hi there,

firstly thanks in advance for any responses to my 2 questions, I appreciate your time and knowledge.

I'm considering buying the 650se with the 4k display to replace a retina macbook pro.

I'd like someone to clarify the issue of scaling to 1080p and if this would create a "retina" style 1080p clarity through pixel doubling? I've heard horror stories of programs without HiDPI support looking terrible, but wouldn't setting resolution to 1080 circumvent this? I plan on using Windows 7 until Windows 10 is released.

Secondly, has anyone found a way to disable Optimus in order to overclock a lcd screen? From a competitive fps viewpoint the restriction to 60 hz seems disadvantageous. I have read of other Clevo/Sager model screens reaching 85 hz using Custom refresh utility on AMD cards.

Thanks again

 

@windows 7: i would recommend using windows 8.1, since scaling on high-res screens is way better than with windows 7

@disabling optimus: unfortunately not possible here, since the display output is routed through the intel IGP, so theres no chance to directly connect the dedicated GPU to the display. intel IGPs only support up to 60hz on internal displays...

 

@jaybee83 I see by your sig that you ended up canceling the p650 order ? How so?

 

the main reasons i went with the P65x at first were the 4K display, slim form factor and M.2 compatibility (things that the P150 series unfortunately does not offer) but i always resented the fact that all components were soldered on, thus upgradeability was pretty restricted!
so i took a closer look at the ZM series and found, to my surprise, that its actually thinner than the P150 series, providing upgradeable components, more performance (8GB vram vs. 4GB, desktop cpu vs. mobile) and, of course, the 4K display option and M.2 compatibility.

basically, the P751ZM erased the few weak points that the P651SG still had in my book without sacrificing too much of the slim form factor (still gonna be thinner than my previous P150HM) perfect rig for me!

besides, ETA is just gonna be like 2 additional weeks compared to the P65xSG, and thats definitely something i can live with when spending so much money...

PS: upgradeability to broadwell desktop cpus and no switchable graphics, meaning i can overclock the lcd

 

+1 All this and more

Gimme some Jay!

 

fairy tail. They stopped (or paused) the anime i think, those bast#rds.


The p750ZM is made to replace the P150 series, that's why i keep telling people STOP BUYING THE P150.

It's a good Machine, the only thing preventing you from taking one should be : price slightly higher than a P650SG, weight, thickness.

 

Thanks for pointing things out for me.

I am 99% going for the P65xSG model solely by the form factor, over the current p157sm. Thinking things over, the current 780m + other specs, offers enough power for my gaming needs and the fact that 980m is better than 780m in a smaller and lighter form factor is reason enough to upgrade.

I will be going pretty basic with the FHD IPS screen, 4710hq, and definitly 980m. I do not mind the non-upgradability issue because I tend to switch laptops every 1-1.5 years. I have yet to receive the prices from my local Clevo supplier (I'm curios about the upgrade cost FHD -> 4k. This reseller only has options of FHD IPS or 4k IPS).

 

It resumed back in April and is still going, Manga's near completion too ( not confirmed )

As for the p750ZM obviously more expensive since it has better parts and upgradability so I've no issue paying 200-300 more for it. However until we start seeing prices over here we can only assume. My guess will be around 3500 for a nicely configured one, however we've got nothing to go off of till other sites pick it up.

Thickness part I don't understand why people go crazy of it, unless everyone is anorexic and has a severe disability keeping them from lifting more than 3 lbs for more than 10 minutes. I'd' rather not have an oven near me, however I get people want thing, just some people go insane if there's so much as a .5 mm difference between sizes, which then turns into a flame thread of them refusing to accept "thin form factor" since everyone has their own impression of what "thin" is.

Nothing against anyone I just find it entertaining xD

P-157SM only has the 980 now, w/ 1 option of the 880 if they still have it, where are you getting the 780 from?


*edit*
Oh wait I'm thinking P-15xSMA is there a non A?

As for 1-1.5 years you must either be single or working well for yourself at least w/ the non soldered models you'd have upgrade ability for the new CPU's next year according to intel specs on the boards used in the P7's which is a nice catch. Also not doubting your choice, just as anyone else here we like to share our views in case it helps at all, which I know in my case I've been swayed quite a few times in quite a few directions lol

 

I'm sure it's going to replace P150x/17x. Scan UK updated all their models to new 980M/970M except those two models.

 

The p157sm (non A) was the model released with 780m and I've had it since august last year and still going strong from a gaming point of view (I currently play only Battlefield 4 and Guild Wars 2) and can safely admit that my gaming tastes/needs will not change in the following years - married with children, currently gaming about couple of hours per week and when leaving town for work.

I do not plan to use the m.2 slots as I have never used the msata's in my current laptop.

Regarding the p75xZM models, I am extremely curious how it will handle those 88w cpu's as current heatsinks struggle with mobile chips at the edges of 45-55w.

I am eargly waiting for more reviews (or at least some ) of the p65xSG to see how it handles the temperatures and noise emission, as it is the only thing I care about when gaming at home. Other weak spots of Clevo's in general, meaning the bloke sound card and speakers, I can live with as I do not use them much. (at home I use an external sound card for the sound system and so far I am satisfied with the sound in the headsets with the on board card).

 

yeah noise + heat can be hurtful for the P750ZM but let's not judge that laptop too fast.

 

Or torment the poor thing to death till it dies or proves everyone wrong...lol

 

For me, the heat matters in terms of noise emission and possible throttling, otherwise, long live warranty. Let it fail, burn down in flames, you are usually set for 2 years of service with standard warranty.

 

Let's hope the cooling is up to snuff. Most laptop designs already have a hard time cooling the 47W mobile chips, I can't imagine 85W desktop ones.

It's not about whether you can lift 10lbs or 5lbs, it's just for portability. I throw my laptop in my backpack along with a dozen other things, thinner and lighter just lets me pack more crap. And yes, "thin" is subjective, I don't like laptops that prioritize thinness over cooling. I'll take a 27mm laptop over a 23mm one if it means that extra thickness went towards improved cooling and/or functionality. Plus, my personal definition of "thin and light" is being able to comfortably pick up the laptop with one hand without feeling at risk of dropping it.

The P650SE seems like it was designed appropriately for a thin and light with dual fans for the GPU, and it is not an "oven" as you say. Far from it. So far GPU rarely exceeds 60C and CPU remains under 75C for the most part.

Swappable GPU and CPU sound great, but I've never had an instance where it was really necessary. I've upgraded my CPU in the past, but honestly it rarely made a significant difference in what I was doing, and socket compatibility is usually a concern too. Same gen of course will work, but rarely does Intel re-use sockets even if it's in their "plan". GPU's are just overly expensive as well. Granted a lot cheaper than a new laptop. Only time it somewhat makes sense is if you buy bottom end hardware like a dual core CPU and low end GPU, and then upgrade to the fastest CPU and GPU later. Otherwise I find it about same price difference to sell the existing laptop (if sold within two years) and buy a new one, than buy a new CPU and GPU.

 

Truth be told, I might even order the 970m model, as we already know it is better than 780m, it is running cool, it's hella cheaper and..it's available.

Indecision may or may not be my problem....

 

I finally ran out of patience, flicking back and forth between different laptops. I've been waiting to buy a laptop since June/July.

I submitted an order last night with MYSN.CO.UK and ordered the XMG P505.

Specs:
- 15.6 inch 1080p IPS Matte (I would really have preferred glossy but no option for this other than 4k- and there was no way I'd have chosen 4k paired with a 970m)
- i7-4710
- 970m
- 8 GB RAM (I'll add another 8gb from my current laptop)
- 256gb Crucial m550 m2 (O/S drive). No other drives since I have a Samsung 840 and a Seagate SSHD 1TB which I could add in at some point later. I decided against the XP941 not so much because of heat but because of the steep cost per GB.
- Intel Wireless-AC 7265
- Windows 8.1

Total price including VAT £1299. Plus £12 shipping to London. I think the laptops are shipped from Leipzig.

 

+1

and oh no no no I wasn't throwing the oven comment @ the p650, I've seen your review and been following I"m impressed as well, I just meant in general for some form factors and brands out there ( not naming any off ) so my apologies for the confusion there that's my fault for not elaborating.

I whole heartily agree on having some thickness as opposed to thinness w/ super loud fans, but before this turns into another "that's what she said" that's another reason I was looking @ the p650/P-157SMA however w/ the appearance of the new Batman laptop I think I might have found my winner <3

Since we're on the topic, and given your historical reviews, I wonder if they'll ship you a p750 as well for reviews in the upcoming weeks o:

 

this. nothing to add

@lunap: batman-laptop FTW!

@most laptops having a hard time cooling mobile cpus, let alone desktop cpus:

P650SE CPU heatsink vs. P751ZM combined heatsinks

 

I was going to write an essay taking LunaP's flamebait but HTWingNut summed up my thoughts about thin and light vs upgradability just about perfectly

 

oh btw, if anyone´s interested: looks like schenker/mySn is putting up the P67xSx for preorder cant access it yet, but the placeholder is visible already.

 

Looks like that heatsink was taken from a bad steampunk novel .

Still 87w,...I'd go with a 65w CPU.

 

My thoughts exactly.
While it would love to have a GTX 980M until I see how this chassis handles heat, temps and fan noise I'm leaning torwards the 970M which has shown to run cool and can pretty much max out every game at around 60FPS at 1080p.
Anyone know when the 17" version is coming out?
I usually stick to 15" laptops but these models look thin and lite enough to step up to a bigger screen. I just hope we see some IPS options for both models since the TN stock panel is OK but I don't want OK I want WOW!

 

Yea there is not as big a difference between 980m and 970m as one might think. Real world we are talking 10 to 15fps max in demanding titles

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thats still gonna translate to approx. 30% difference at stock

 

And deep down you all know that you're leaning toward the 970M only because it's already available. ^^. Seriously, if it's running between 60 and 75° in game, without even thinking about the extra 3mm it can support the 980M...

 

Yup. Never bothered to consider the extra cost for the 980M, when I can play the 970M on max settings or near max settings for new games at a good frame rate. Just no need to spend an extra ~$300+ for me to get that performance since I'm just on 1080p and not that picky about maxing settings.

 

300 for more ssd and ram .

 

I went with the 970m because it's available first. But I'd like to have the extra +3mm not for the 980m, but the 9.5mm 2.5" drive option in addition to 7mm, instead of just 2x7mm or 1x9.5mm. One can get 2TB 3-platter in 2.5"x9.5mm these days.

Of course, with the greater densities of MLC NAND blocks, and putting TLC aside (which I don't trust, don't get me started), we've already hit nearly 1TB MLC NAND in 7mm for $400. So it wouldn't surprise me if we get 2TB in 7mm soon, and MLC NAND will continue dropping in price, unlike DRAM.

 

TLC nand are way cheaper but have a reduced life cycle. However for 1tb the life cycle is bigger. I took a 1To TLC SSD (sandisk ultra 2) and a 240Go MLC sandisk extreme pro. The TLC is safe enough for several years, particularly if you have a big capacity one. Till that day the SSD will die I'll probably have an intel 10710HQ with a nvidia 1580M GTX or amd 1090M (did not choose yet).

high capacity TLC cost way less and are safe enough for me . For people using ULTRA-intensively their SSDs and need them for a decade the MLC is the right choice.

 

If you are worried about endurance then a 1tb 850 pro will last longer than the life of your children most likely in terms of endurance.

TLC will last until the drive is obsolete unless you write a lot of data each day.