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How many mm between fan and backpanel, over 3mm and i'm not worried at all! as long as the fan gets enough air the laptop is golden! alot of holes in that backpanel so should not be any problem Imo.

 

the GPU is cooled quite efficiently. Those few mm are more than negligible, a big thanks to Htwingnut. As i predicted ^^ the 4710HQ is the max you can have in a slim gaming laptop. I'll put some IC7 on the GPU/CPU that'll help them run even cooler. the CPU even without a repast and those extra 4mm is sufficiently cooled in my opinion, so that's great !

 

adding a link of HTWingNut´s review thread to the OP

 

The screen is a completely separate option and varies by specific reseller.

There is so far at least
- 1080p Matte TN AUO B156HTN03.6, Not the best but not bad
- 1080p glossy display with AVHA technology (AUO B156HAN01.2) think this is IPS or similar
- 3K display with matte finish and IPS-Pro technology (Panasonic panel)
- 4K display with wide color gamut and IPS technology (Sharp LQ156D1JX01B)
- fake 4k display using RGBW panel same as Lenovo y50 (Samsung LTN156FL02-L01)

 

How do we get the 1080p glossy screen option?

 

My reseller has these options:

15,6 inch Matte Full HD IPS LED
15,6 inch Matte 3K IPS LED
15,6 inch Glossy 4K PLS LED

 

only recently noticed that the Sharp panel actually sports IGZO tech, thats just wow cant wait to check it out for myself

 

Matte or glossy is essentially a screen coating that can be applied to nearly any panel, some resellers may offer it in matte, others in glossy. Always ask your seller the specific model they use for the panel and look it up to check if it is good or not. For instance the 3k Panasonic and 4k Sharp listed are good screens. The 4k Samsung is rather bad on the other hand.

 

I mailed my reseller few seconds ago. I hope he can clarify..

 

Since it looks like we'll be getting TN screens, any chance you can point me (us) to where you found this screen for $76? I'm only finding prices of $100 and up.

 

Ok guys I figured it out! XMG said that there display also base on the AUO B156HTN03.6 ( http://www.notebookchat.com/index.php/topic,48011.msg239407.html#msg239407 in the middle of the page)

But.....!!!! this display is available as a TN and IPS model!!!

B156HTN03.6 Replacement Laptop LCD Screen From $59.99 Brand-new screens.

 

I'm actually running desktop 4K TN screens from Samsung. They have excellent color and brightness, not quite IPS but very good, with a slightly diminished angle.

Samsung UHD 28” Monitor (U28D590D) | Samsung Monitor

 

Actually the HAN is IPS the HTN is TN

 

HAN is AVHA (similar) but not real IPS right?

 

this avha not ips has gone too far, what do you seek in ips ? Wide viewing angle (>140) ? Nice color reproduction ? Good contrast ? AVHA has it all.

 

So does anyone know what type of screen the pc specialist 1080p screen is?

 

Like mentioned above the IPS panels seem to be $100 on that page and not $76

 

best thing is to just send them an email instead of hoping that theyll see this post and answer you

 

So Mythlogic just up-dated their pre-order times, now it says mid-ish November for both SE and SG.

 

Can anyone tell me if the display outputs (mDP) on this model are likely able to output more than 60Hz - something like 1440p90 (2560x1440 @ 90Hz)?

 

I also noticed that Mythlogic has a 1080p Matte IPS panel for their screen. Any idea on which is the panel for that ?

 

Dunnow, my reseller doesnt know it either. 1080p matte ips screen. It should be the IPS screen from the clevo factory.

 

b156han01.2

 

For new pre-orders? Or existing? I'm hoping they update some of us who made pre-orders on our expected weeks of plausible shipment (even if they cannot fully commit to them).

 

I just got an update from xotic today that mine is now in testing

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Yes, my reseller changed the status this morning From mid/end to in stock..

 

That one shows a 25ms response time.

AUO B156HAN01.2 Overview - Panelook.com

If I opt for one of these I definitely can't go with the TN panel. It's too darn dark.

 

Just to be sure, thats bad right?

 

Yes, that is slightly on the higher side. Ideally you would want it lower than 12 ms for gaming

 

Lower than 16ms actually so you don't get ghosting under 60FPS 1/0.016 ~ 60FPS. 1/0.025 is only 40FPS, which makes me thing the refresh of that LCD may be only 40Hz.

 

I stand corrected. Yes, its 16 ms. Been a long time since i remembered that number since most panels are usually lower in ms these days.

 

And because of this, I'm thinking TN panels might not actually be so bad, given their typical response times closer to 2-5ms! We'd just have to put up with reduced viewing angles and color inaccuracies - which for me can't be that bad, because I'm colorblind anyway!

 

Now i really want to know what IPS panel my reseller uses..

OT: What do u guys online at this time..? 05:00 in the morning here now. Doing the nightshift haha.

 

Except all those numbers are fairly meaningless. Any screen that claims 2ms for instance is using its very best case. The problem is these numbers are different for every single color to every other color and there are very poor standards for how you choose which number to mention.

This is an unrelated example of what the problem with those refresh times is:
Lets say we have a game benchmarked on 4 computers all running the same game with the same GPU CPU etc... and they all get roughly this benchmark

Laptop #1 reports its FPS as 104
Laptop #2 reports its FPS as 58
Laptop #3 reports its FPS as 28
Laptop #4 reports its FPS as 40
They are all technically true, but since they only gave 1 number with no other information it is still almost completely meaningless.

Unfortunately this is the exact problem with the screen refresh numbers they all use different numbers, some minimum, some from a specific color to another and back like black to white to black(BtB) or gray to white to gray (GtG : also which gray?) but even then all the other colors may have differing times.

So 25ms is fairly poor, but your 2ms TN screen may take 60ms for a certain color, and 6ms average no-one knows.

Edit: Ah here is a good image of GtG response time variation on a display

as you can see it actually varies from a low of ~2ms to a high of ~14ms

 

that one is still not low enough, my samsung LTN156HL01-102 PLS panel gets 16ms resp time, try get that if you can

 

I suppose I should start watermarking my benchmark results.

In any case that response time graph is awesome, and wish every screen was required to provide such a graph. But even 2ms to 14ms I'll take that over anything that is 25ms. Panelook shows Typical response time which more or less means average. Sure there could be a flyer here or there, but a panel with 8ms average response time means the weight is distributed on the lower (faster) end to get to that 8ms. You can't have 50% at 30ms and still have an average 8ms response time. Your range is likely between 2ms and 16ms for over 90% of the color spectrum to achieve that 8ms average response time.

I agree that a single number response time doesn't always mean squat, but higher numbers typically result in worse refresh and ghosting anomalies. But as it stands though this TN panel is a bit annoying with the super narrow viewing angles, I would probably take a 25ms IPS over this just because personally I use my laptop for 80% business/personal/browsing and 20% gaming. If there is positive feedback from users on this panel, personally I'd upgrade to that LCD. I'm strongly considering this laptop, but the LCD would have to change.

 

This is true, but speaking generally, a TN screen will have better response times than an IPS screen. For someone who is colorblind and always sitting directly in front of the screen anyway, the narrower field of view and color problems might not be enough to push me away from the gaming advantages of a lower response time in the included TN toward the better picture of an IPS.

In other words, I don't need to freak out and find another $100 to rush to get a replacement screen

Well, crap. Maybe I do

 

Yeah, this screen is "acceptable" and not like it's overly horrific, just I realize the brightness if nothing else is not that great. I'd take a higher quality TN panel (better viewing angles, higher brightness and contrast) even over an IPS for gaming.

 

You are absolutely right almost all TN screens are better than almost all IPS screens, in response times. Just tired of people throwing outnumbers like 2ms as though it meant something. And I am pretty certain Panellook grabs its information from the manufacturer data-sheets, which my use different methods.

Either way yes 25ms is rather poor.

On the max hz mentioned, remember these numbers are combined Black to White to Black (BtB) or gray (GtG) so they are actually 2 transitions whereas hz measurements are only a single transition.

And on the TN viewing angles, I am fine with a good one probably. My present one has awful vertical viewing angles though and I do not want to end up with that again. (Vertical viewing angle is bad enough on mine either the top gets color inversion, or the bottom is badly washed out no matter what angle you view it from. Ooh I just tested it a different way I can get perfect viewing at a specific angle if I sit over 6 feet away from the screen )

 

Would you say it's about on par with the p150sm-a?

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Looks like Sager has their stock in, won't be long until people start getting these in their hands

 

So... do they know what type of screen it has, then?

 

Is that the same screen on the GS60 which everyone praises?

 

That's a hard screen to track down, lots of "compatible" screens and the -101 model, but only one that I've found that lists itself as an actual Samsung product and the -102 variant - and it's over $160 shipped.

What's the difference between the -101 and -102 models anyway?

 

Another thing to note is that if the screen is to be added at the $160 price, it just makes the GS60 a more worthy contendor since the price of the Clevo is going up to be near it.

I thought I was pretty clear that i wanted the GS60 but P650SE seems to be a good alternative and it being cheaper makes it more attractive.

 

Yeah, I was thinking that, too... I'm settling for the P650SE instead of the GS60 because the price is so much lower, but with all the add-on parts needed (SSD, RAM, and now this screen) I'm back up in the price neighborhood of the GS60.

What keeps me leaning toward the P650SE/NP8651 is that I can get the core system within my budget today, and then buy the upgrades over time as I'm able to afford them. Sure I won't end up with a paper-thin super-sexy chassis, but I also won't get stuck with a system with little to no upgrade potential. Also the cooling of the GS60 suffers badly due to the super-slim design, and so the P650SE should stay cooler and thus be a better choice while still being slimmer than most other options.

 

Not to mention last longer and not cause burns to your skin.

 

Kind of in the same boat. Although the GS60 is of a super slim design , with the 970m it seems to be adequately cooled on both GPU and CPU.

For the P650SE, I am yet to see any CPU stress benchmarks since the low point of the design in the Clevo is the poor CPU cooling as pointed out in the NoteBookCheck review. So even if the GPU stays super cool but the CPU goes real high, I would still lean towards the GS60 from an overall cooling perspective.

 

Because the gs60 cools the CPU optimally right ? Haswell is HOOOOOOOT, and if you look at the review of htw you'll see that in-game with stock full of silicon Thermal compound the CPU temps are excellent. NBC did a one hour furmark+P95, is it reasonable ? Because if i do the same thing with a GT72 i'd get 10°C above max temp (hence temps you'll get when you play for 3 hours straight crysis 3 or watch dog), same goes for the gs60.

According to the gt72 review stress-test : the cpu is stable at 90°, the P650SM 100°c with a 4870HQ (whereas gt72 it's a 4710), i don't find that shocking or whatsoever. For the 4710HQ version obviously it will run closer to 90° maybe 95-97, add to that the better cooling of the P650SG (if you're buying that)(bigger fan+4mm thicker) AND IC7,...and we're good to go

 

I dont deny that GS60 runs hot but from a comparison of the review of NBC on the GS60 870M which runs hotter, the CPU tops out at 90'C while on the P650SE it reaches 99'C implying GS60 does a better job at cooling the CPU.