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One step was flashing the nvram and I haven't done that. I take it that this is important to set the fan profile.

 

Nice find Fred!

We haven't tried that app, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work...after all it is software.

Fred...let us know how you like it

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Wow that software has a temperature light profile. Please let us know how it goes! Is nvram reset like cmos battery reset? I saw somewhere that clevo sometimes uses fn+B to reset bios. Might be old though.

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Well, my recent experience (and I guess a few past experiences) tell me that software can hurt!

Which reminds me, you might want to have your crew put a big giant red sticker on Clevo laptops stating "DO NOT INSTALL CLEVO CENTER or XTU" so that people like me will catch on =P

 

I am not quickly finding a guide on how to do this ... I'll keep digging.

@bloodhawk mentioned using "Fn + D + POWER" but I'm not sure if that is only for certain models. It looks like for others you need to take the laptop apart, remove the battery, etc...

Can anyone tell me how you do an nvram reset for the P650RS-G?

EDIT: Okay, found this in the EUM (end user manual). BTW - Chrome makes a decent PDF viewer on it's own. So you can opt to sell your soul to Gooble or Adobe but you don't have to do both =P

"Overclocking Issues If you get any errors due to changing overclocking settings, e.g. a black screen, then restart the computer, hold and press the Fn + D key combination, and then press the power button at startup. This will change the overclocking settings back to the defaults."

 

That combo doesn't work with the Prema BIOS, but should work with the latest stock BIOS's.

 

Isnt it under the keyboard for us?

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@FredSRichardson may I ask you how you removed the Clevo CC? Would the good old method (control panel - uninstall - delete hotkey folder work?) Was also considering a clean install of Windows 10 since I am not sure if the "good old method" would get rid of all the remainings of the CCC...

As of now I am suspecting the CCC might be responsible for two BSOD that I had recently ( syntp.sys DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL) and in a different topic @D2 Ultima also said that this was a problem with Clevo laptops back in the day... here the quote from D2 Ultima

• "Touchpad-related BSOD with Clevo hotkey app/control center being the fault needs to go. To truly remove this, a registry edit denying the clevo app access to the keyboard (which doesn't seem to impact functionality much) is necessary. This should never happen, and has been a problem since the P6xxSx models, and was last pointed out to me on a P770DM, so I'm listing it as a skylake problem to be fixed"

So if anyone is having BSOD and has the CCC installed - download WhoCrashed or BlueScreenView and check for the above mentioned error message, the CCC might be the culprit!

 

Yes, I did the only thing I really know how to do - I went to the control panel / settings and uninstalled CCC. I did that after following other instructions here up to the nvram flashing part (e.g. disabling he Intel Extreme Crapping Utility service).

Wow, I'll let you know if I successfully got CCC off my system.
The nvram reset seems to have been performed (though I may have to do it again according to some reports) so the above mentioned "Fn + D + POWER" key combo at restart seems to work.

 

Hey guys, quick questions about Throttelstop,

After setting the undervolt values, do I click on the Turn On button? Or after setting the values, does that mean it already gets applied after I click apply?

 

after setting the value for CPU cache and CPU Core just hit apply and then ok and it should be fine.

 

Well now I feel guilty for asking people to install CCC and tell me what the keyboard profiles look like :|

 

were you experiencing any BSOD regarding syntp.sys? Would also be very interesting to know how many of clevo owners here do have the CCC and how many of them get BSOD..

 

I've had CCC on since day 1 and never had an issue.

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I think the issue is XTU and not CCC on it's own. I got both with one install =\
Also, some recommend Throttle Stop over CCC for OC'ing.

 

I haven't gotten my P650RS-G yet, its still in the 'production' stage, but I'll tell you my experience with my P650SG:
With the CCC I was getting two BSODs: one with syntp.sys like you mentioned and other with DRIVER SQL?IRQL? NOT LESS THAN OR EQUAL or something along the lines of that. The syntp.sys only happened once, but the Driver one seemed to happen once every two months or so. After flashing Premamod BIOS and vBIOS, and uninstalling CCC I no longer get any BSODs. Honestly I can't tell you if CCC was the root cause of the problem.

 

So I updated my Clevo Control Center to the latest version (5.0001.0.86 - you have to download from Asian servers to get it!) I am positively surprised that now my fan profile (using overclock mode) is being saved after reboots/shut downs - thats a really nice change for me! I will keep invastigating if uninstalling the Synaptics driver AND installing the new version of CCC fixed my issue

 

Bump again, no-one seems to be actually even reading this.

 

Hey, no fair, I did! Admittedly I only had a workaround.

Have you checked this out? Not sure if it is helpful or not:

 

The problem isn't so much CCC itself as the fact that CCC also comes bundled with "XTU". XTU (Intel Extreme Tuning Utility") is what causes the problems.

EDIT: woops, never mind, @byunjoe reports CCC actually causing problems.

 

Has anyone confirmed that xtu does screw up the fan profiles with this model? I think I've only seen reports on an older model clevo.

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I think CCC or XTU did, both were installed together. I got a frowny face screen of death in Win10 while playing Witcher 3 for the first time after installing CCC+XTU. The problem is that I changed two other things: I turned off V-sync and set the frame rate to unlimited in the W3 settings.

However, the crash report indicated hardware overheating as a possible source of the problem so I think what happened is that the fan control was hosed and cpu or gpu or both overheated.

I turned v-sync back on and set the max frame-rate to 60 in game but I could try switching it back to see if I can trigger a system crash again.

 

I noticed this starting with Nvidia 375.70. This happens when Vsync is set to Use Application Setting or Off. So for me I just set it to On and limit fps to 58.
I'll also just drop this here for those who haven't read:

http://www.howtogeek.com/270672/how-to-enable-optimize-and-tweak-nvidia-g-sync/

Edit: From the article: "You might initially be confused by this: why is Vsync “On” by default for all games in the NVIDIA Control Panel, even though we told you to turn it off in your games?

The Vsync option in the NVIDIA Control Panel is a special type of G-Sync-aware VSync, which only kicks in at high framerates. NVIDIA has optimized this to work well with G-Sync. The Vsync option in your games is the more traditional type, which is best left off.

In short, the rule is: Leave VSync enabled in the NVIDIA Control Panel, but disable it from within games. Only disable it for an individual games in the NVIDIA Control Panel if you really need to reduce input latency as much as possible"

 

Thanks for the answer!
As a follow-up question, do I have to have Throttlestop program on all the time after applying?

 

Thanks a lot! I'll look into it.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I disabled a few stuff with Autoruns, including Hotkey Filter Mouse/Keyboard. Now when I get to the login screen it won't acknowledge mouse/keyboard inputs. I want to get into BIOS so I can get into Hiren's boot cd, but spamming F7 and F2 doesn't work after a dozen times. Is there a way to force the laptop to BIOS?

 

@ronzky321 Correct me if I am wrong, but you got your Sager NP8152-S from XoticPC right? If so, how much was your shipping costs to the Philippines?

 

Try doing this:
Open command prompt as Admin
type this without quotes:
"shutdown /s /t 0"
Computer will shutdown and do a cold boot next time you start it.
Spam the keys F2 and/or F7 to access the BIOS.

 

I would suggest you buy your Sager from Helix PC (distributor in the Philippines) instead. Price is not too far from Xotic if you take into account shipping.

 

The thing is, it's stuck on the login screen, so I can't get into command prompt the normal way. The funny thing is that Fn+F* combos work, so the keyboard is connected, it's just that any other keys don't work. Mouse doesn't either, and I spammed the F2 and F7 like hell. I finally fixed it by propping open the keyboard, disconnecting the CMOS battery for 5 secs, then spammed F2/F7 some more. I finally get in, then I set up a BIOS password on boot. This seems to slow the BIOS enough that it recognizes F2/F7 more often. Then, I booted to Windows' Advanced Startup, and then got to a command prompt (incidentally, my CTRL key worked here when I tested it, so the CTRL issue must have been software). Next, I opened up notepad.exe and navigated with its Open File dialog till I opened up Sysinternal's AutoRuns on my C:. Finally, I enabled HKKbdFltr and HKMousFltr. I rebooted back to normal Windows and my keyboard and mouse works now. My CTRL key is also fixed for now.

Wow, Clevo's software is really a piece of sh*t. Disabling their closed drivers cripples your laptop. Anyways, thanks for all the help! I finally got off Clevo's wild ride!

 

Actually, I need shipping to New Zealand. I was just wondering how much it would cost getting it shipped there.

 

In that case, to answer your question, a laptop this size will cost around $220 to ship by air, or $100 to ship by sea to the Philippines. Price doesnt include customs tax

 

I ordered from Amazon as soon as the unit became available (not yet in Helix). I used LBC Shippingcart, cost me around P8,000 (air). Brought my total to around P80,000. In Helix, the exact unit is P85,400. That was when $1=P46. So maybe now the difference would be much lesser ($1=P48).
EDIT: Custom Tax included and paid for by LBC Shippingcart.

 

So I tried this open source Clevo backlight controller and unfortunately it hasn't been kept up-to-date. Apparently it requires the hotkey drivers from CCC and the API used in drivers for light controls has changed.

I'm debating trying CCC without XTU, but it sounds like others have had problems with this. My system seems stable right now and that is kind of a blessing =)

 

Thanks for the explanation @byunjoe, I didn't know that
I tried doing what you said but nothing changes.

That did the trick!
I enabled the V-Sync in the Nvidia CP and Dota2, HoS and Witcher 3 are properly running at 60fps without tearing now. But CS:GO is running at 200fps and I don't know why it's the only which does as it wishes
What programm do you use to limit your fps?

Thanks to all for the help!

 

Well it turns out the CCC uninstall is not great. It left behind at least one file:

RegistryKey : HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\SvThANSP
Image Path : C:\Program Files\Hotkey\SvThANSP.sys

I could delete the file once I deleted the registry entry. I hate that Windows software is often lazy about cleaning up the registry.

What I can't figure out is if my Synaptic driver was updated or not. Is there a place to see the history of driver installs?

EDIT: actually looking at the events section of the Synaptic driver properties it looks like this is the driver that came with the machine (installed etc on 10/25).

 

Out of curiosity: what is the default backlight color if CCC is uninstalled?

 

In csgo I had to add "fps_max 74.6" to the start-up config file.

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Ok guys, just to update with the status of my laptop regarding temps and performance. After playing around with configurations, I can finally play Witcher 3 for as long as I want with temps in the 77-82º, which is much better than the 90º I had before. I found the key is to manually set up the fans at MAX before opening the game, not at the same time, not after starting the game, weird I know. It seems like once the temp increases the fan is unable to reduce it even at max, but if it's a max beforehand, it doesn't goes up that much. It's like if the cooling system at max could only avoid the 1070 to increase its temps, but not actually reduce them when its working at over 90%. Either that or the fans are not functioning as they should. Don't know if it makes any sense, but maybe it helps someone

PS: I just can't imagine how hot this laptop will be in summer, when weather will be 40ºC+ vs 20ºC of today

 

Is there an article / post somewhere that tells you how to do an NVRAM reset on clevo laptops? I've tried doing Google searches, but results are usually Mac or Dell-related.

 

I peeled off all of those. A few left a nasty residue that I had to scrub away that kind of pissed me off. I thoroughly researched the laptop and its components; I don't need a bunch of damn stickers reminding me of what's inside.

 

Same here.

 

Nice and clean look B-)

Wysłane z Mi5

 

Which logos did he send you fred?

At this point I was considering compiling an updated webpage or something with all the latest information and what to dos we have gathered.

Probably better than digging around pages...

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That's a good idea! Maybe start a wikia or a pastebin.

 

Intel XTU does not mess up the fan profiles, that is a bios thing. I can set any of the fan profiles in CCC and they work absolutely fine with Intel XTU, automatic, overclock, or maximum.

 

Was considering just off my domain for latest driver mirrors

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Have you opened up your unit to check the thermal paste? I have seem some reports of the factory paste pumping out (basically making a mess) which would definitely have a bad impact on your temps if this happened to you. I ask because my temps running Witcher 3, Ultra settings at 4K are much lower. Like not over 70C last I checked. I do use in-game V-sync - I haven't figured out how to use G-sync yet.

 

Yes, I just posted on how to do this - look back a few pages. It's also in the users guide PDF (though they don't say nvram anywhere...).

 

@Phoenix or @Papusan - can you guys confirm this?

 

Well, I get blue but I can't turn if off...