*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

Yep OW is in full screen mode+restarted and NVCP has gsync enabled for full screen mode. I can see what you mean because if I disable GSYNC, then re-enable it OW goes into windowed mode.

The 2 tears were occurring with GSYNC on, no frame limiter (OW set to display based), and NVCP vsync disabled.

There is a small 1 tear with GSYNC on, frame limiter set to 73fps. Again, it is hardly noticeable so thanks!

 

Noob question. What software do you use to check for input lag? I want to do some testing myself.

 

If I try to flash this on my system, is there a risk of corrupting an unsupported BIOS?

 

It's pretty bad. I would move the fans to max honestly. Well first I'd repaste.

 

I use the function built into overwatch. CTRL+SHIFT+N when you are in the game

 

Not to mention whoever did paste job mustve royally failed. Potentially not enough.

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So I found this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/53sep8/tearing_with_gsync_with_frame_limiter/

Lowered OW frame rate limiter to 65fps and now I don't see any tearing at all with GSYNC on and VSYNC off. Looks like it is a common issue right now with gsync even with 144hz. Input delay is at 15ms which is only slightly worse than 73fps with some tearing and much better than VSYNC/no gysync with input delay at 24ms

Common issue w/gsync:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/965224/geforce-drivers/gsync-not-working-100-/

 

I dont think it will flash if its not supported but I cant guarantee anything.

It works on the 17" with the 1060, I dont understand why it wouldnt work on the 15" but then again the XMG bios was like that... Doesn't make that much sense to me honestly.

 

Just occurred to me that this might happen if Overwatch doesn't support 75hz mode properly. I wonder if in reality it's actually running at 1080p@60hz, hence the tearing since G-Sync only functions up to the operating refresh-rate. I think RTSS overlay may be able to tell you what screen mode it's running in.

 

Is it the same with cl_showfps 2 in Dota 2 and CS:Go?

 

I can test other games over the weekend. But what about that nvidia forum thread I posted where this happens in other games?

 

Thinking of getting a Sager and I noticed when I was looking to customize the system, the FHD panel said IPS but the 4K one didn't. My understanding is PLS is basically a poor man's IPS. Are the response times just as bad? I plan on ordering a new machine once Samsung's new SSDs get released, and with the issues I'm hearing about the FHD displays having backlight bleed issues, I'll probably up to the 4K display. I'm hoping there will be a 120hz FHD display to compete with Alienware's 15" machine at that point, but I doubt it.

 

It depends very much on the games but wouldn't surprise me if it's a prevalent issue with resolution detection. Many games either incorrectly detect resolutions or even have them hardcoded.

75hz is also one of the rarer ones as well. Even for games with multiple refresh-rate options, it's usually limited to 60/120/144.

 

Samsung PLS is considered as good, or actually better than LG IPS, by many people...including me

See Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel#IPS_Alternative_Technologies

 

SO here's what I found out with the newest Nvidia Driver (373.06)...
Gsync On/Vsync Off (No FPS limit) - Tearing
Gsync On/Vsync Off (58 limit) - Bottom tearing only
Gsync On/Vsync On - No tearing, but maybe only Vsync is working
Gsync On/Vsync Fast (No FPS limit)- No tearing BUT I noticed some stuttering if FPS >60
Gsync On/Vsync Fast (58 limit) - No Tearing, No stuttering, Input lag ~ not sure but maybe none (can someone confirm this) because Fast is similar to No Vsync

Anyone can confirm with the latest games? Previous drivers don't have the FAST option for Vsync.

 

Finally got my P650RP6 yesterday! . I haven't had much of a chance to mess with it yet, didn't play any games as I had to get to sleep before work.

Mostly just updated Windows and started downloading games, but I did pop into the BIOS to check the version number. BIOS is 1.05.03, and EC is 1.05.04. That's the latest EC, is it not?

 

Could people who are having external display cpu usage issues in discrete graphics mode try checking your usage after putting your laptop to sleep while it is plugged to your display and waking it back up again.
Just did this and it seems to oddly fix it for me and brings average usages close to 5% when idle without any fluctuation(until I unplug the monitor, and one of my cores goes back to 90%), wondering if this works for anyone else.
(Also, I am using the latest chipset driver from clevo as suggested by Stooj)


Edit: nvm, just saw the post re new bios, will give this a try

 

This is a good point - you might want to check the Clevo repasting thread on this forum. At least one person reported "pump out" with Gelid GC. This would definitely explain the high temps and possibly leave you with a mess to clean up inside the laptop...

I wimped out on doing my own paste job (HID is doing this for me). But I definitely recommend doing your homework before delving in - especially if you want to use liquid metal. I think there is a very good video on repasting a Clevo by someone on these forums (whose name I probably should know).

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I updated laptop to new bios. External monitor CPU load gone. WOOHOO!!!

 

What thermal paste would you guys recommend? my local store has those two in stock : ARCTIC SILVER - Arctic Silver 5 and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. I can also order a different paste if it is better than those two

 

yup, new bios/cc update resolves both discrete and hybrid graphics mode issues with the external monitor for me.

 

This is pretty much what I observed. Fast sync has been available in past drivers, I used it. But fast sync is only truly useful if you are pushing about double your monitor refresh rate. So 120fps for a 60hz monitor. Below that I believe introduces input lag and possible stutter but I'm not an expert on fast sync. My games definitely visually appeared lagger when running siege at 100fps fast sync on vs vsync on at 60fps.

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What I mean is if Gsync is on, there is only ON and OFF option for Vsync. In this driver, Fast is now in the Vsync drop down.

 

Can somebody request from Sager/Clevo the new BIOS and EC for us P650RP6 users?
We're kinda left out for now. One new owner even has .04 EC.

 

Kryonaut all the way. Non conductive and best on market next to Gelid for non metal pastes

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@gooface so we have the new BIOS 1.05.04 which you posted a few pages ago. Do we still need to update EC to the version you posted earlier, around page 230 or so? Or does the new update contain both?

 

Best EC is one that fixes curve. If you havent updated ec yet update it first then do newest bios. (goes to all) EC updates are something we will not be seeing much of either way.

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@Kittys I'm getting my laptop Tuesday, so I have not done anything yet It shipped before the new BIOS came out though. Obviously first thing I'll do is check the version of the EC, but if it is out of date then I should 1) flash the new EC and 2) flash the new BIOS that was just posted. No need to bother with the XMG BIOS from earlier, right?

 

Also, there seems to be an explanation for what is going on with gsync here: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/970198/geforce-drivers/geforce-driver-373-06-killed-gsync/

 

I feel that 1080p gaming on a gtx 1070 is just overkill and not needed but there is no 1440p option either so just go for the 4K PLS panels since it is pretty good and some reported close to no light bleed!

Yep finally right! I am getting mine today and hopefully see if there is a updated bios and also if not do exactly that! Can't wait... it is currently out for delivery!

 

But I've read that non-native resolutions on monitors produce significantly lower image quality, or at least that's what I've read in the past. Is that still the case? If I can't run most games in 4K at 60fps, which I won't be, then I'm going to be running the panel at sub-native resolution. And if the picture quality is worse, then I might as well just run native on the lower resolution monitor, right? Or is that not the case anymore?

 

Ok so I just asked sager for the bios for the NP8152 (15" with the 1060) and the latest EC for all models so nobody is left out for these latest bios updates that fix the big issues we had with this laptop. (mainly the external screen issue) glad to hear that it is working for everyone. Sager surprised me yesterday with the bios update and it was too good not to share here.

Also, for those asking, the XMG EC is still the latest one we have until I hear differently from Sager. No need to flash their bios before you flash the one I posted anymore though. Remember people the EC and Bios updates are independent from each other.

 

The nice thing about 4K is that it is exactly 4 times 1080p. There is no scaling problem on a 4k monitor when you lower the resolution to 1080p because the effective resolution is the same as a 1080p monitor.

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On Discrete connected to external only via HDMI.

 

exactly the downscale is an option if you don't want to game on 4K but that idea of giving the option for changing resolution is great since like i said 1080p is overkill for gaming!

 

Found the culprit. Apparently this behaviour is normal and to be expected. It should only happen when you're in MSHYBRID mode and has to do with the onboard graphics switching hardware.
It is noisy though!

 

Odd, mine always showed all 3. I've never turned gsync off but run fast in games like DotA 2.

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Yeah, but what about if I'm playing a game at 1440p? My thing is that outside of the backlight issues, how is it worth paying the $100+ for the 4k screen if I'm almost never going to utilize 4k? Unless the 4k screen has a higher refresh rate, which it doesn't to my knowledge, I'm really not sure if it's worth it. If I can play games at 1440p without any scaling issues, then it might be worth it, but won't there be? Or have those issues been solved in recent years?

 

Not only ACPI issue but also flexicharge issue is gone with this BIOS update. I'm not 100% sure, but it seems that it at last works

 

Main benefit is for photo editing and for desktop and web browsing.

Edit:
Also not sure backlight bleed is any better or worse on 4k. Galms pictures seem about the same as my 1080p panel. Just a lot more 1080p panels floating around so more people posting and complaining about those when they get a bad one.

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I got the latest Sager BIOS for those on the NP8152 (15" with the 1060)

Only thing is, it's not as new as the one that just came out for the for the other models, but this is the latest there is, so flash away:

https://www.mediafire.com/?022qsv4mw182en9

still weird to me that this model doesnt share the same BIOS as the rest. (since there are 4 models and 3 share the same bios and this one is all on its own)

Still nothing on the EC's still, the best one publicly is on that XMG link I posted before.

This is the only BIOS I have seen anywhere for the NP8152 (XMG doesnt even have one on their site, almost seems like this is the redheaded stepchild of the bunch) This should make it so people can all get on the same page.

 

I just flashed 1.05.04 form 1.05.01 on my P650RS and can confirm that there ist no more CPU-Load-Bug when using external Displays.

Question:
Is it safe to flash the XMG EC firmware now? ATM im on EC 1.05.01 I read in some other threads/forums that you should always flash EC before BIOS otherwise you could brick your notebook.

 

I flashed EC second when I did it. No issues

Edit: fixed.

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Wouldn't sager tell us if that was the protocol? Hopefully they post the new bios to their website. I miss my sager logo

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You can just disable the boot logo and not have anything if you please

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How did you check to see if flexicharge works?

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Turn on in BIOS and see if it's working In previous BIOS versions flexicharge stops working correctly after first power off.

 

Can't do this. That option is greyed out (same as in last XMG BIOS).

 

Do you mean the settings in bios? In old bios mine always stayed at the setting I put. Or do you mean watch the battery percentage somewhere?

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IIRC It was possible in the older sager bios if you disabled one of the settings. Can't remember which one. Maybe the overclocking option or uefi or something.

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