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I will post some details after complete the installation.

 

May I ask what is the brightness level?
When do you see it? are you coding on it, using a black background? just trying to get into your world

 

Can you please check what is the monitor model with HWInfo?

 

Hello guys,
today I received my Clevo P670RS-G and so for I am absolutely blown away by how good this machine actually looks and how thin it is. As I received the laptop a couple of hours ago I only managed to install Windows 10 and all the drivers that are necessary. I saw in earlier posts that you can not use G-Sync with the latest Nvidia driver, that is still the case right? Btw I did a screenshot of my nvidia system panel, there are many options missing compared to my desktop driver - I thought that would not be the case since Nvidia said we get the same GPUs as the desktop cards. Is your menu looking like mine or am I missing something?
Any help is greatly appreciated

 

Open Control center choose gaming click on discrete and restart you should now have More options and g-sync

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thank you very much sir

 

I am mostly worried about the external monitor capabilities being reported since I planned on using a 4k monitor down the line if I just stuck with the 1080p panel.

 

The fan problems are no longer a problem. The external display thing still is. I believe this problem is minimized in hybrid mode. Those are the only two issues I can think of. Oh, I guess the 1080p panels are also a crapshoot. I'm not even remotely considering returning it I'm extremely pleased.

 

Hi People. I've tried a newer bios from XMG site for the P650RS - seems like the fans are louder now. They were quieter before

 

Lifelong Logitech trackball m570 user here. Best mouse (to date) but if my m570 and my spare m570 ever break I would try the elecom for higher dpi

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No you should keep your order because not only the prices for Clevo are pretty low but also I feel that every manufactures that are making GTX 10 series laptops are usually giving up like the MSI series where the temps are not so great due to the thinness and the Asus also having the same issues! Ohh and also the customization of storage is amazing 2hdd and 2 m.2 slots wow never heard of a laptop that does that!
I too are getting mine in a day or so but very excited to use it since gives more benefit for me and also very good cheap gaming laptop with a 1070 in them! (Asus GL502VS is a bit hot and the color scheme is not for me and also MSIs 1070s are so expensive! Don't get me started with Gigabyte $2000+!)

 

Are you using HDMI or mDP for the external monitor?

 

HDMI. Haven't tried mDP. I can check more thoroughly this weekend. My performance was fine a few days ago though.

 

And you get 4K@60HZ or are you using 1080p?

with mDP I get smooth 4K@60HZ

 

Ah thanks !

 

My laptops monitor is 4K60, I just hooked it up to a 1080p tv.

I could hook it up to a 4K monitor I guess.

 

Played with scaling today and I'm just getting frustrated. I have an external monitor I extend my laptop's with. 1080p on the 15 inch screen needs scaling while the 24 inch monitor doesn't.

Problem is, scaling at 125% doesn't work great and is blurry on the laptop, but setting custom scaling at 124/126% fixes that (looks gorgeous even). Unfortunately, that sets the custom resolution for both internal and external monitor, which doesn't make much sense. Anyone wanna share their solutions when using an external monitor?

 

Gsync works perfectly for me with 372.90 drivers. I even turn Vsync On to automatically cap the FPS to 60. That or turn Vsync Off and have tearing ONLY at the bottom 2" of screen (weird right?) and also have to use another software to cap fps < 60 (anything more than 60 there will be tearing all over the place even Gsync on).

 

Didn't see such a thing - can you give some names of games you've tried? or a benchmark? Furmark? something? want to check

 

I believe Gsync is universal. Not dependent on any game. Well, for my testing I just used Valley Benchmark just to check for tearing woth different settings of Gsyn and Vsync.

 

Try the pendelum demo and see if its solid on that

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It's universal, but I was talking about the artifacts and problems you saw

 

If the frame rate goes over the max refresh rate then you can either V-sync or let the extra frames go to the display but get tearing.

 

So if we use vsync on to cap fps @ 60fps and fps never dips below 60, gsync is never being used correct?

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That is correct as the display is just constantly running at the max refresh rate.

You could try clocking the display and raising details if you like.

 

Okay thanks. I'll try capping fps at 59. I can only hit 63hz on my display regardless of timings used

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The nvidia control panel can manage it so you can switch between G-sync and V-sync as required. It should not need the 59Hz method IIRC.

 

Well what I meant was currently I have gsync and vsync on in Nvidia cp. But like you said, if I'm running at 60fps then I'm just using vsync instead of the gsync. So if I cap fps at 59fps then it should disable vsync and allow me to use gsync instead? With the 1070 almost everything is a constant 60fps.

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That just has V-sync at 59fps, it's the same thing. G-sync only works up to an FPS cap, be that software or the limits of the screen's refresh rate. G-sync will come into play when your games start dipping every now again or you use DSR to up the resolution you are playing at.

 

Yes, you can cap to make sure it doesn't go to it or above your refresh rate and turn off vsync. Gsync will be on always. If you play games with good frame limiter incorporated like Overwatch, it's the perfect thing to do.

 

Ideally you should do a couple of things for what I'd consider "optimal" G-Sync usage (on a 60hz panel, 120hz+ is a different story as you can rarely exceed those refresh-rates):

1. For most games you should tweak your game settings to average between 50 and 60FPS. Basically turn things up until this point (with Pascal, definitely up the eye-candy). Running 70/80fps is pointless.
2. Set a frame-limiter to 56FPS!!!. There's a long and complicated reason for this, but basically it removes the input lag that occurs with G-Sync when your frame-rate approaches the panel refresh-rate or if you run a matching 60fps frame limit. I recommend using RTSS for this as you can do per-game settings or globally.
3. For games which exceed 60FPS significantly (at least double) such as CS:GO, LoL, Dota2, Overwatch (depending on settings) you should use Fast-Sync. This will maintain 60fps output without tearing AND without the input lag of V-Sync since the render pipeline is not bottlenecked.
4. You should never have to use "regular" V-Sync.
5. Finally, use dedicated Full-Screen as much as possible for the best results (as opposed to Windowed or Borderless). Windowed/Borderless G-Sync basically renders the entire DWM (desktop window manager) at the game frame-rate. Problem is there's added steps required to do this. Firstly it must detect the window correctly which doesn't always work perfectly AND can be interrupted by other processes. Secondly, the game has to render to the DWM buffer first THEN everything is scanned out to the front-buffer and panel which is basically ~1 frame or latency. It can also create frame-timing issues as a result, making things "less smooth".

One thing people get confused about is what happens with G-Sync when you hit 60fps (point 2 above). Despite what the NVCP suggests this does NOT simply "turn into V-Sync mode". The panel is still operating in G-Sync mode except now the panel has to hold up the pipeline by sending stop commands back to the GPU. This is still better than regular V-Sync though since V-Sync requires fixed frame-timing whereas G-Sync does not.

EDIT: In case anybody sees this as a reference I have changed the frame-limiter suggestion to 56 fps!
It may be driver related or something else, but Mobile G-Sync needs a bigger allowance to combat the polling issues. I've thoroughly retested this and found 56 is the most stable limit to set for perfect tear-free usage.

 

Thanks for the amazing explanation! I'll definitely be following the guides you said. I assume rtss is Riva tuner? Problem is with the 1070 I can't get anything to dip below 60 except the Witcher occasionally for a split second.

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So limiting fps to 59 turning off vsync and playing tw3 I get crazy amounts of tearing on the bottom of screen. I guess gsync is broken on latest Nvidia drivers then right?

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are you sure the bios actually installed or you used the correct one? i only ask because i noticed immediately that it was quieter after mine was installed.

what settings are you using in the Discrete app? i'm using Quiet with custom fan settings of 70/60/50. Power conservation is "balance". Fan was louder while gaming when using the "automatic" fan setting but nothing like it was before the bios update where it sounded like it was going to fly away.

 

Bios shouldn't effect. It's the EC that fixes fans.

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Indeed Riva Tuner Statistics Server.
It comes with MSI Afterburner (which I like because the graphing window/page is quite handy). As far as getting things to dip below 60 it's not really a "requirement" as such. Just optimal since anything over that is just wasted performance which could either be saved or put into better quality.

Worth noting, you can use DSR as well if you really want and have a look at things like ReShade. For example, Witcher3 has a pretty good TAA implementation already, but combined with DSR or Reshade/SMAA it gets even better.

Otherwise, you'll save a bit of power and heat since the GPU isn't working as hard.

If you see tearing at all then G-Sync is not operating. Also make sure you're running proper fullscreen mode and not borderless. Every time you update the Nvidia driver the G-Sync/Windowed option is forgotten and reverts to fullscreen-only mode!

 

bah sorry. meant EC.

 

Yea I noticed that on the gsync option. I guess gsync is broken in this build of the display drivers. Will test later with old ones.

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One thing I've noticed is that even though I have my settings to sleep when the lid is closed, the computer never actually goes to sleep.

 

So I downgraded back to the old Sager Nvidia driver. Gsync still not working with vsync off and Riva capping at 59fps... The only difference is installing the older driver turns vsync on globally in the nvidia control panel. Whereas installing the newer driver sets it to use application settings. I imagine this is why many people claimed gsync broke on the newer driver,whereas they were simply relying on vsync the entire time because it was forced on globally. Any ideas?

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That's very strange. Anything else different about your setup? External monitors for example? G-Sync should absolutely work in Witcher3. Furthermore, grab the Nvidia Pendulum Demo to be absolutely sure.

Nvidia did this because of "Number 2" in my list above. Lots of people were getting V-Sync-Like input lag in games like CS:GO because they were hitting the cap with V-Sync defaulting to ON. They were blaming G-Sync for the problem without realising.

Similarly, the number of people who got G-Sync displays and saying "My FPS won't go about <insert refresh-rate>, it's broken!" (not realising G-Sync does nothing over said refresh-rate) must've got old.

 

I'm using the laptops internal display, I'm in discrete and it's in multiple games not just tw3. Even tried capping it at 57fps and still get tearing. So now I'm just running with vsync on globally and turning on fast sync for games that can use it... Bit dissapointed that gsync isn't working though... I've also gone back to the newer driver since it makes some games I play run better and there's no disadvantage at this point.

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How is that possible? Anyone else having this issue? Been late to the party but I can test TW3 on Friday once I receive my laptop but G-sync should work unless you might need to wait for the next patch or a beta?

 

Sadly no beta drivers out and I've got the latest normal one.

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What kind of tearing? Bottom part only or whole screen?

 

My best description would be that it starts at the bottom and works its way up to about halfway up the screen depending on the severity.


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Oh, on "quiet" mode it was quiet before too, in my opinion. I was talking about the "performance" mode, but on low loads level (like general internet use)

According to Nvidia, if you have G-Sync enabled, *but* VSync off, you won't get G-Sync running. If you set GSync + VSync on via the control center, the actual mechanism working will be GSync

 

hello. Is there any possibility to clevo control center remember fan profile after restarting PC?
It switches to AUTOMATIC all the time

 

New Geforce drivers are out today for Gears of War 4.

http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/108322

Fixes:

Windows 10 Fixes

Improved the framerate consistency of the Release 370 drivers in VR games and applications. [1804037]

[372.70, GP100] FPS limiter broken in Release 370 drivers in windowed mode with high FPS. [1814275]

[372.54] Corruption in Overwatch decals. [1816111]

Maybe it fixes gsync?

 

So I am still trying to understand gsync vs vsync (vs freesync?) There has been some discussion elsewhere that gsync has been updated and now runs somewhat different from the way it did before. The current suggestion I am seeing is to turn gsync and vsync on in the NCP while turning vsync off in any game settings. Is this still the right thing to do? Or are there problems specific to GTX 1060/1070 that this does not fix? (Also what is freesync and do I need to know about it?)