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7mm HDD, right?

 

Anyone else experiencing restarts, when the laptop is left to idle for a while? Event Viewer shows a few "kernal-power Event ID 41" errors. :/

 

I'm not too sure, are there other variants of that model?

 

That's reassuring that overall you like the display. My 3yr old HP Spectre 13t-3000 has 1440p WLED "BrightView" (glossy) screen that I really like. I'm hoping the 650RS with a 4k display will look at least as good, but this is worrying me.



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Standard HGST 1TB is 9.5mm

Seagate released a 2tb 7mm just this year for example

Thats why configuration wont let you do two 1tb or 2tb drives even though theyre on market...smh

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Is there a substantial difference between the two?

 

Well for one 7mm 2tb uses smr which nukes performance to fit density so 9.5mm drives faster but ive had no issues

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2.5mm of difference, to be precise

 

I'm sure it's this one here, I can't find any other info on it. Should I have gone for something else?

 

Basically, you won't be able to put a second HDD in without replacing the one you have.

 

I'm not following, could you elaborate? Oh and if you have the product link to the alternative that'd be great.

EDIT: Did more digging, from what I can grasp, so only 1 HDD can fit in the area unless I get a 7mm HDD?

 

Anyone wonderring about strange behaviour should think about their underclock value ;p -180 might be too much.

 

Correct. https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Laptop-2-5-Inch-Internal-ST1000LM035/dp/B01C4W29XC

It comes in 1 and 2tb flavors.

 

As I understand it (again, tablespoon of salt) the laptop has two 2.5" SATA slots, one m.2 SATA slot, and one m.2 PCIe slot. You CAN plug a PCIe SSD into a SATA slot, but you will only get SATA speeds that way. If you have a PCIe SSD in a PCIe slot and another SSD in a SATA slot you should be good - the PCIe will run faster and the SATA one will run slower. Now, I don't know what will happen if you want to set them up in a RAID 0 or anything like that, but if you just keep them separate you should be ok. Or at least I think so. Some experts here may want to weigh in.

 

You have it backwards. You can plug a B+M key SATA SSD into an M keyed PCIe/SATA slot but not vice versa.

 

Thank you! I think I was overthinking it and got myself confused. Most resellers, like Xotic, will not let you configure with two PCIe SSDs for this reason. So two SATA drives is fine, one PCIe and one SATA is fine, but two PCIe will not work - you won't be able to plug the second one into the M.2 slot.

 

Thanks you two, saved me some money and frustration. Got it changed to a 500GB 7mm 7200rpm version

 

So I had a bit of time yesterday to test out my RAM problems, and apparently now all four of my RAM slots work fine. I have no idea why, but all I did was shift the two RAM modules from the bottom of the laptop to the ones under the keyboard and run MemTest86. To my surprise, it passed the test so I then added my other two modules to the bottom of my laptop and ran MemTest86 again, and everything is working. I have no idea what happened but it seems like I needed to power cycle the whole laptop twice before the RAM modules worked in the slots under the keyboard.

My guess is that since my laptop came with one 8gb module under the keyboard (I ordered the minimum so I could use my own RAM modules), the BIOS got confused or something when I took it out and placed my four RAM modules in. Not sure what exactly happened, but I'm happy I have a working laptop now.

I have the 6820HK and have it overclocked to 4.0 GHz while maintaining a -45mV undervolt. It can run Aida64, Prime95, and games fine but I haven't had a super long gaming or stress test session to really test the stability since I'm pretty busy with classes. The decrease in temps is really noticeable as now my CPU idles in the high 30's and averages around 80 under load. The GPU is incredibly cool and never goes past 70 under load, but then again I haven't had a super long gaming session. My laptop came with the ICD paste on CPU/GPU from Sager.

 

I was noticing the same. My GPU capped around 67c under kombustor stress test while boosting over 2ghz on core and 550mhz oc on memory. I'm assuming it will creep up after extended durations.

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Good thing atleast is temp creeps are not so severe, Mine goes from 64c and after like two hours settles around 71c in OW and D3.

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In regards to the vertical ssd PCIe if anyone is curious -
Got off the phone with Sager, and they told me that the PCIe will hold the maximum of 1 Tb SSD, of a size 2.5.

Think I seen someone asking about it.
If not then, hey free info!

 

Vertical SSD?

 

I think they mean slot 1 that runs right along the battery...but 2.5 throws me off.

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So cool. How can u directly order frim Clevo?

 

Any drive of the right interface should work regardless of capacity.

 

Clevo doesn't do direct sales nor from what I know to any single person....unless its a decent bulk.

Sager is best option for clevo system which it will come from sager anyways if its Just a reseller and not rebadged like evoc and the likes.

At Least in US market

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Guy on the phone told me the vertical slot, meaning yes along the battery. I'm guessing.
2.5" ssd size is what I meant. Not sure of all the different sizes, I'm just going by what I was told so I was just putting it out there because I thought someone was asking earlier.

 

Er... I would not recommend that. Sager does not have good customer support. Ordering from LPC or Xotic gives you an added layer of protection for no extra cost and often more options. You'll also easily be able to contact your service rep. They try a lot harder than Sager for support as well as its one of the main difference makers for people deciding where to buy from.

Full Clevo resellers like HID and Eurocom also tend to offer even more options, and idk about Eurocom, but HID offers top notch support and global warranties. That may not be everyones cup of tea, but I don't see much reason to choose Sager over somewhere like LPC. Your still supporting Sager either way you just don't have to deal with their support

 

I know they don't deal with single person and that is why I was asking. Not only US market, they don't deal with single person in China or EU market either as far as I know.

EVOC doesn't deal with Clevo. Ted K mentioned that in a call. But I am curious about how can they rebrand it as they are buying them from another reseller.

In China it is also happening that some small reseller, maybe similar to LPC, get Barebone from large resellers, like Hasee and TerranForce, and put their own HDD and RAM into them. But they are never able to rebrand them.


Anyway, the m2.2280 problem still confuses me a lot. I read quite a few reports that m.2 PCIe SSD do not work with m.2 sata SSD. In Clevo's site, they say "(Factory Option) Two M.2 2280 SSD, SATA interface (RAID 0/1) or One M.2 2280 SSD. PCIe Gen3x4 interface". But they mention nothing in the section of "Slot", which says

/*
• Four M.2 card slots
-1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIex2 and USB interface (A key)
-2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe Gen3x4 interface (M key)
-3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA interface (M key)
-4th for LTE/UMTS/HSPA+ M.2 3042 Card with USB interface (B key)
Note Factory Option) LTE or 802.11AD antenna
*/

Sadly speaking, HID said my P650RS-G is "estimated" to be shipped after Oct 6, while I ordered it on Sep 2.

 

Can report external monitor issues with my p650rp6-g as well. When using a external monitor via hdmi with mshybrid the color on the external monitor look very washed out. Black is grey etc..however no cpu issues whatsoever.
When using dgpu mode as soon as you plug in or out a hdmi cable my system process starts to use 10% cpu power and keeps my cpu at 1.56gz. also suddenly the color change to normal. Hope they will patch this out soon.

edit: Also just noticed that with plugged in monitor(using mshybrid atm) webpages lag like hell. I scroll and a split second later the thing reacts to it. Unplugging hdmi fixes this.
edit2: Hmm seems to be Chrome specific. Edge doesnt do this nor word or the start apps list.

 

For me, that HID can dispatch it from UK attracted me most. Without this service, the cheapest way for me to get a P650RS-G is ship it from USA to China and have a friend bring it for me to EU. Which is, eh, horribly complex.

 

Also, if u need 2 x 2.5inch HDD/SDD, it need to be noticed that P650RP6 can support only 2 x 7mm, while P650RS-G can go with 1x9.5mm+1x7mm.
But anyway, I strongly recommend not to use 2 HDDs together. Considering the design of 2.5inch HDD bay, it may cause resonance problem which can damage the disks.

 

Side note, I had the 1.56ghz problem until I downloaded clevo control center, after this I only get that if I am on power saving. Although I have not come across much besides gaming when I need it on another setting.

Ok so I have the p650rs-g with 16gb 2400 ram and it is at 1600. Can someone post there complete settings on the 2400mhz setting.


Oh does anyone ever have an issue where you actually power off the laptop and it just goes black screen but keyboard light and power button stays on but all other activity is gone.

 

So I've had my Sager 8153-s for a couple days now and have been so far happy with how it's performing. It's definitely thinner than I imagined it to be, more solid IMO compared to the Asus gl502vs. Temps are good under stress, at stock voltage it peaks around 81, with a -160 it drops down to the mid 60's. I was able to oc it to 4ghz with a -60 stable. Also had no problem installing my 24gb of ram, I was worried I might run into some trouble like some people have with their ram slots.

One thing that irks me is the backlight bleed that many others have mentioned. Usually it doesn't bother me but ever since I started reading how it was prevalent I couldn't not notice it =/ its really noticeable when I have a dark background i.e. watching movies/youtube, games, boot...


Has anyone had any trouble accessing the bios? For some reason I can't get into it for the life of me... I've pressed every F key and it just boots into windows. Only key that had some response was the F4 key and it just stayed on the sager boot screen until I had to force power it off. I ordered mine from LPC with the Intel 600p 512gb if that matters.

Another odd thing I noticed, I've had 2 other temporary windows 10 laptops (Gl502 and AW 13r2) in the past month while waiting for this to come in... both times were new laptops and on first boot, it took a long while for windows to set up... when I turned my Sager on for the first time, I was up and running in less than 10 minutes. I actually thought a couple steps might have been missing ? Not sure what to make of that, maybe I'm just being paranoid. I'll try to run more benchmarks this weekend as I won't have that much free time to check it out atm.

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Try F7!

 

I also had issue with bios at first on my 8153 with 600p, once I got it into legacy mode then no more issues, are you using f2 key when sager comes up, just keep hitting it.

 

F7 gives boot menu.

 

You can access the bios from there.

It's either F4 or F2 for the direct option, I have had best luck with F7 myself though.

 

I have the clevo control center so that could not be the issue. Also that behavious reminds me alot of my old hp laptop. That had issues with the intel management engine. Try the IME version 9.X. That fixed it for me back in the days. Have no issues with my ime running version 11 tho.

 

Got it, thank you! Took me 2x with the F7 back to back to get in... mine doesn't like the F2 key, it froze again on the Sager screen. I wonder if the 600p has anything to do with it.

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The system has 16 available PCIE ports or lanes, these are shared with SATA (and are mapped by the manufacturer as such).

Usage would be as follows:

4x GPU
2x mSATA (slots 1, 2)
2x m.2 slot 1
4x m.2 PCIE/SATA slot 2
1x m.2 SATA slot 3
1x m.2 slot 4

Total: 16.

 

That's a made up concept. Hundreds of thousands of systems in the world have multiple drives in the same cage, no failures from it. I don't mean to be aggressive about it, but this just isn't a real issue. The momentum of the platters alone would dampen any kind of resonance, not to mention the odds of identical workloads across both being identical and sustained for long enough to generate a feedback loop is virtually impossible to even simulate.

 

If you haven't placed your order, do take a look at Clevo Center. The quote they gave me is cheaper than HID's/about the same give or take, they're a prema partner and they're within the EU so if anything breaks the turnaround time is faster.

 

They are separated by a few mm

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Talking about SSD, am I better getting a 2.5" SSD first and adding an m.2 SSD later if I need to? Or opposite?

 

SSD just go m.2...clear your 2.5 bays for normal storage

Then you can join the 4TB in P6X0 party boat!
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This. The price isn't any different really between m.2 and mSATA, and having large storage volumes can be quite nice.

 

So preliminary testing. Tw3 not CPU constrained in most places I've gone so far. Gtx 1070. Culprit is hair works. I've got usage monitoring on all 8 cores(4 virtual) most are around 30% usage. It actually loads all 8 cores. GPU usage is around 98%. If I overlclock it fps goes up. Hovers around 57-60fps stock ultra everything but hair works aa on 4. With a decent oc it seems to hold 60 pretty solid. Will continue testing. Also temps are great on you and you. Mid 70s on GPU under extended gaming load

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That's actually not right at all.

The CPU has 16 lanes. The HM170 chipset (PCH) has a further 16 lanes. Both of these are connected via DMI which is roughly 4x lanes wide.

All 16 CPU lanes go directly to the GPU. In SLI systems (such as P870DM) this is split x8/x8.

Everything else including: M.2 PCIE, M.2 SATA, 2.5" SATA, Audio, Card readers, Wifi, 3G/4G, USB, Thunderbolt (if applicable) are all fed by the PCH. Everything from there gets funnelled back to the CPU via DMI. This is precisely why you can't have 2x NVME drives and fully tax them simultaneously.