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Well, I know what I am hoping for now... and a fancy new chassis with some sleeker lines (and hopefully a metal one) would be a welcome improvement. If this happens I will have no regrets for missing out on being able to grab one of the current beasts before it's gone forever.

Or maybe just <del>too cheap and too lazy</del> too challenging to design something adequate...

 

haswell e looks like a joke to me lol. except for the fact that its a 1.5+ yr old technology and 8 core unlocked, don't see any power consumption/ temperature benefit if it was every ended up in a laptop. if clevo continued p570wm, haswell E would not be much of an upgrade in it for sure. broadwell E maybe a different story though.

pcie 3.0 x8 lanes SSD in raid 0 bios bootable, end of the year. who doesn't want 5-6GB/s lol

 

The main power would be pci-e lanes for storage and multi gpu configurations that link through the pci-e bus like the M295x will.

 

yeah reading through the reviews I am NOT impressed at all. Also, the infamous inconsistency issue seems to plague Haswell-E as well.

 

They are not tweaking for speed but yields most likely.

 

I think they should make an amd version to offer variety and lower cost solution to customers who cant afford 3000 dollar laptop. 120hz R9 290X 8 Core amd version. Cost will be lower do to videocard and processor.

 

Falls down a bit when a mobile i3 out performs it in games.

 

no one would buy it then lol. that would just be a regular 8 core desktop but in laptop form and runs super slow and hot.

 

Personally, I don't really care about saving power even a just little bit... that's totally irrelevant to me. It could be way more of a power-sucking pig than Sandy or Ivy ever dreamed of being for all I care. The only thing I really care about is not overheating (like Haswell) and being more powerful than anything we have ever seen from Intel and overclocking better than any Intel CPU we have ever seen before. If it's just a repeat of the Haswell disappointment then it certainly won't be anything to get too excited about.

 

I have been using the JunPus 9000D TIM since I first put the hydro cooler in its final configuration. I have been noticing a little creep in the overall idle temps from 30 C, to about 34-35 C over the last month or so.

After reading most of the TIM post I could find, I ordered some liquid ultra to try out. It should be here next week. Anyways I wanted people to know that I will be testing this out with the hydro cooler in conjunction with the K5000m card. I think I will also try and implement the mods n=1 has posted to see if I can reduce thermals even more.

For the record current configuration Q2= 35 C with Anteck 7, Q1 =42 C with JunPus D9000, and CPU1 = 34 C with JunPus D9000. Also to be noted is that Q2 has a significantly smaller load because I have it slaved to run only Phys X at current config. The Q1 however is running a dell 2540 x 1490 dpi, a Samsung 42 inch plasma and the 90% gloss gamut 1080p stock screen all the time, and therefore it is always under some load.

I am running Prema's Bios mod v4, and the stock Nvidia 340.66 driver. I will first try the Liquid ultra on the Q1 to see what difference it may provide prior to others. I will refrain from implementing the n=1 internal cooling mod, until I have apples to apples results to post and compare.

It maybe the case that I do not have enough die pressure to adequately transfer heat with the liquid ultra. I have reviewed the application video, and will do so again prior to install. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make the comparison more scientific I am open to suggestions, Mr. Fox, N=1, Meaker ?

Also I would like to ask if there is a possibility of to much die pressure? I have only been able to read about this as it pertains to inadequate pressure.

 

So, I finally received a response from Clevo in Taiwan that the model is being totally phased out on their end. Huge bummer.

Anyhow, he suggest an inferior alternative and I responded with the following question:

I will update the thread if I receive a response to that question, whether good or bad.

 

Can't wait to hear their response to your question Mr. Fox, it is the one I have been wanting to ask!!

It is a sad day though when they discontinue a line with such a great reputation and potential. I feel like my P570wm is more powerful than my universities engineering server, especially in straight speed to accomplish tasks in AutoCAD, Revit, Rhino, v-ray, MatLab, 3dmax, ArchGIS, AdobeCS6. I know this is not a power to power comparison, but in actual work-flow time to completion, the P570wm provides a significant edge over using the server from a departments computer lab, and this was my main influence to purchase this model in the first place. In this regard there is no equal in comparison from personal experience.

 

Man, this is really sad. I won't have the money until December, and I was really looking forward to buy this machine.

Anyhow, perhaps, they were losing money on this? I don't see any other reason to discontinue this line.
Either way, would a X99 line actually be worth the money for someone buying it just for gaming? I can imagine getting one for coding or video rendering, but just for gaming that much power seems wasted, since I don't think there are games that need (or can make use of) all that power.

 

Developing a system of this level is a huge initial investment, any company has to do a risk vs reward, I hope they spend the effort on the mobile dual card systems, get the cooling on the CPU up to the task of 4.5ghz operation, even if that required having a thicker model with bigger heat sinks.

 

They could start by removing that subwoofer which does little more than make me feel like my sound is unbalanced. Then if they go thicker they could go with the "on top" design for at least 1 of the GPU heatsinks. That would open up a huge amount of space, enough to put in a second radiator if they so desired.

Honestly, why not work backwards: take the P570WM and cut out whatever you don't need on a mobile chipset (all that extra CPU VRM comes to mind...). Maybe reduce the thickness (or not), and put in a beefy CPU heatsink that's worth of an MX CPU.

 

Yeah, you even put forward that question in your first e-mail. The fact he didn't comment on that, I hope is not a negative sign there are no plans for a replacement.

 

lol after machine dies out more people started to post time to go for S9T instead.

 

The forums always dies down towards the end of cycles and just before the information is available about the next lot.

 

Yeah, you're right. I don't get warm fuzzies about it either. It took long enough to respond that I suspect they were trying to figure out how to put a positive spin on the reply. It was a super lame response, too. I mean, really... sorry, please consider this inferior product as an option... I felt like telling the dude to bite me.

I almost get the feeling that Alienware and Clevo have plans to betray us all. It is starting to feel as if they would like for all of their performance enthusiast customers to just go away, curl up and die, so they can have the freedom to focus on playing the part of a babysitter to all of the thumb-suckers that care more about thin and light than face-melting performance. They get off the hook real easy like that... sell a higher volume of trash to people that don't care... lovely.

 

I think Alienware have already done that. If you study their configuration page for the mx17/18 systems they don't exactly have a wide range of options when it comes to selecting optical/SSD drives.

A Dell member of staff even confirmed they prefer to offer templated offers to accommodate the performance enthusiast instead of us choosing for ourselves. I think this to do with warranty implications and what not.

 

If dell want to continue offering templates and lets us resellers do the detailed customisations you'll get no complaints from me

 

So, assuming Clevo offers no replacement for the P570WM, what would be the next best option (for a power-laptop)?

 

S9T, not a laptop though

 

For gaming the 9377, while the cpu will only do around 3.9ghz due to the small cooler the GPUs can be cooled pretty well and it can use the power box to go beyond 330W.

 

Yeah the CPU is a bummer but with the converter box I pushed 1.1v each on 880M @ 1114/1400 and it didn't skip a beat (although due to the nature of the 880M it would have throttled with something longer than 3DMark).

Don't get an MX chip for the 9377 though -_-

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My issue with the NP9377-S is that, despite the considerable lower performance (compared to the NP9570, of course), you don't really save that much money from buying it.
I actually thought of getting an NP9377-S instead of an NP9570, because I didn't think I would make full use of the NP9570. However, by the time I customised it to get the highest performance possible (which I also did with the NP9570), I only saved around $200 at best.

It definitely is the next best option - at least, as far as Clevo is related, I wouldn't know if Alienware, Asus or MSI have something better to offer (though, all of those are sadly overpriced).

 

You dont save much because all the parts except for the CPU are the same and that is what the cost is really based off. The thing that set the NP9570 apart is the desktop CPU, which I dont know of any other brands that offer that.

 

Indeed, which is precisely why I still wanted to buy the NP9570 despite not needing all that power - especially considering that, that power could become useful in the future as games ask for more and more processing power, and considering how easy it is to upgrade Clevo laptops, that would allow me to save money in the future, since all I would be replacing/adding would be the video cards or RAM.
The fact that I wasn't saving much by buying the NP9377-S made it less appealing - even if it still is one hell of a laptop, easily superior to most things out there - because in the long run, the NP9570 was a much better investment.

 

It's also a lot larger. Games are unlikely to start really using 6 cores ANY time soon.

 

It seems XOTIC PC has already removed the NP9570 from their catalogue.

 

So the DTR segment is officially dead....

 

Yup it was just removed this morning and has turn End of Life. Sager still has them available directly on their site, but probably not for much longer.

 

Indeed, it seems they have 20 left in stock (or less).
It seems Power Notebooks has removed it as well.

Malibal and Mythlogic still have it. I haven't checked any other reseller.

 

Malibal and Mythlogic dont source their bare bones from Sager so they may offer it a little longer, at least until their supplier runs out too.

 

Damn... I really hope Clevo is discontinuing the 9570, because of the X99 so that they'll offer a newer laptop of the same kind.
It would be really sad if they completely discontinue this type of laptop, considering its uniqueness.

 

theres nothing unique other than 4 fans/heatsink and the mobo lol. there are other tons of unique ones out there. this one is best performance.

 

I meant uniqueness in terms of the desktop processor.

 

Seems like they may be dropping the line.

 

kinda lame they got almost everything settled out chassis, display. they dont really have to change much except the mobo, which is probably most expensive to make out of it though.

 

I just tried calling them direct in Taiwan. They kept on disconnecting me on saying they don't speak English, lol.

Wasted a fiver trying.

 

I got a question for you gentlemen. When repasting, should I remove the old thermal compound on the sides of the gpus? Or should I leave it? And if I remove it do I have to replace it? I'm replacing if diamond with liquid ultra. The stock paste seems to be quite poor in my opinion.

Here's what I mean

https://imageshack.com/i/exaNjVgij

The slave gpu was running 10 degrees hotter. I'm hoping this will fix it.

 

Remove all of it when you repaste

 

Ok so I just repasted the slave gpu with great results. It used to be 10c hotter than the master. Now it's only 1c hotter both topped out at 65c on 3dmark 11 @ stock clocks running both the extreme and the advanced tests. Going to repaste the master gpu and probably the CPU as well. It's good to know the p570wm has lots of room for overclocking. Haha all those people complaining about the 880m getting hot

 

Are you sure?
To be honest, considering some websites like XOTIC PC seem to have put the NP9570 back up, I was thinking of taking my chance and buying it today.
But then I don't want to get ahead of myself, right before Clevo announces a new product for the same line.
The X99 processors don't seem to be that much expensive than the current ones (or so, I've read in a website or two), so keeping everything else the same, I was thinking I could afford a new laptop of this same line.

 

Blah so I stripped the last little silver screw needed to remove the heatsink. I can use a soldering iron and lever it off of there. My question is what type of screw is it and where can I buy some? If you need pics please let me know

 

Are you talking about the ones that go on the video card core? I did the same thing.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/111333580337?nav=SEARCH

They're not cheap on shipping and it takes a little while but I bought 3 packs of them. If you take pictures of the screw and email it to your reseller, they may be able to get you screws.

If your 880M do not overheat with the modded vbios you are very fortunate.

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Ethrem you rock!!! That's exactly what I was looking for. These screws are so very easy to strip. I almost stripped on of the ones on the 4&2 slots I don't know what I would of done about that, would need a drill or something lol!

Luckily it's just an easy to get at one where I can use a soldering lever method to get at.

I haven't tried it with the modded vbios yet. I'll do some benchmarks later and let cha know what the temps are. Stock vbios the 2nd run stayed at boosted core the whole way with temps on both gpus about 65c max. I'm hoping the main one will come down a bit once I get it repasted. The stock job was horrible on the slave I'll post a picture of it below where you can clearly see huge gaps. No wonder it was 10c hotter.

https://imageshack.com/i/pafmSysWj

https://imageshack.com/i/ex52h29Qj

 

Lol that paste job...

If you boosted the whole time, what is your vbios version? Did you have an OSD on or just monitoring software? The slave always throttles because of vbios policy.

And those are cool temps you have there. Your heatsinks must actually be flat

Anyway those screws are indeed easy to strip, hence why I picked up four sets of them for future use. I had to teach myself not to go all super tight with them. As long as they are screwed all the way down, the contact pressure is fully applied. No need to have them totally tight like a desktop, it just strips them.

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I'm trying to get at the CPU right now, haha it's giving me problems. I removed the fans and the big black screws with the springs don't seem to come off. I'm thinking that's what is holding the heatsink in though. I found a vid and am about to watch it to figure this out . My CPU gets HOT so the paste job there must be even worse Luckily I have a fix for that! I edits my last post with the screen shot. I used msi I afterburner for temp monitoring. Will check the vbios later. But the first run it did throttle, just not on the second one.

Pic of my pasty job, much better i hope

https://imageshack.com/i/p9qf6NPbj

 

RJTech also sells those screws, and doesn't gouge you on shipping.

P570WM uses the same screws for the core plate, so you're good to go. And yeah those screws are total buggers, strip like no tomorrow.