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I think this is untrue from what i've seen. The 4820k will smash a 4930mx to pieces. If im wrong please correct me WITH PROOF It's a gaming laptop. 99.99% of games will show no noticeable improvement 6 core vs 4. The 4820k @ 4.4ghz is an amazing monster capable of any game. The laptop is GPU limited and not CPU limited, so it's smart money for me. I don't do rendering or anything incredibly cpu intensive. I got the laptop because it seems to me the only one capable of handling the 880's and not being cpu limited in any way. By that of course i mean it is capable of cooling them off and having enough power to juice them. It has 660 watt PSU, you dont find that on any other laptop, period. And lets say in 4 years, a game comes out that i cant run. I'll have to upgrade my GPU's and sell my old ones, no problem.. as long as removing IC diamond doesn't scratch my chips.. Then i can go back and order an old 6 core for a couple hundred dollars

EDIT IIRC, the 6 core produces a fair bit more heat and is much harder to push over 4ghz because of that.

That's my take on it anyway lol

Intel Core i7-4930MX Review - Performance

Intel Core i7-4820K Review - Performance

 

Hey, could you please clarify what cha mean by "delid"? I haven't touched a gaming PC in well over a year and a half, and this is my first week on this forum. I just ordered my laptop and it will arrive on the 20th, im so excited haha! If you mean delid as in you're capable of replacing the CPU and GPU's then yeah, absolutely! Been doing a crazy amount of research on it to get caught up by the time it gets here

EDIT: I saw n=1 replied to you! He's much more knowledgeable that i am about this stuff. I'm probably going to remove the IC DIAMOND and put liquid ultra on instead

 

If run at the same clocks, the 4930MX will at least be neck to neck if not run better than the 4820K:

4820K benchmarks:
SuperPi 32M @ 4.9GHz
wPrime 32M @ 4.9GHz
CineBench R11.5 @ 4.5GHz

4930MX benchmarks:
SuperPi 32M @ 4.9GHz
wPrime 32M @ 4.9GHz
CineBench R11.5 @ 4.5GHz

880M SLI is not going to be botlenecked by even the lowest quad core (4700MQ), much less a 4930MX. Certain games such as BF3/4 and Crysis 3 do benefit from having more than 4 cores, but you're right, for the most part games are going to be GPU limited especially in laptops.

The P3xxSM series can also use the dual PSU adapter, so it's not unique to the P570WM. The main reason I made that comment was because the P570WM sacrifices a lot of portability for pure power, so it just didn't make sense to get "only" a quad core if you're buying the thickest and heaviest laptop on the market today.

 

Thanks for your reply

Those benchmarks are quite impressive!! Are they relevant to gaming though? Or just pure number crunching fun for applications like photoshop? I'll have to dig up some benchmarks for gaming vs the two, but it looks like that 4930mx is a beast.

I didn't realize the pfxxsm were capable of having the dual power supplies as well, thank you for correcting me!

I had to get the desktop replacement with the most power because i travel a lot, and 20 extra pounds doesnt really bother me. I may of been better off with a lighter laptop, but i like to do crazy things like that lol.

Have you seen anything about overclocking the 4930k in the 9570? I'm curious to know if it would be capable of supporting 4.4GHZ @ a reasonable temperature, i think it would produce a ton of heat.

You're trying to make me sell the 4820k and buy a 4930k, aren't you? I know your evil plan, and it just might work.

J

 

Also since the 4 core is just under the 6 core in performance wise, most games that use 4 cores or well under that will benefit greatly from the 4820k vs the 4930mx. Because, and this is just a guess, if you disable 2 cores on the 4930mx you'd have a cpu that performs well under the 4820k. If a game only uses 1 core for example, i want it to be a very awesome core

 

Excellent, my plan is working muwhahahaha

*cough*

I think Meaker is running a 24/7 4.3GHz OC with his 4930K, and he's hasn't done any special cooling mods as far as I know, so 4.3GHz should be attainable at least. If you lapped the heatsink and used Liquid Ultra might be able to push it to 4.4GHz.

If a game can't use more than 1 core it's going to be the same whether it's 4820K or 4930MX. The main advantage of 4820K is a larger L3 cache (10MB vs 8MB for 4930MX), and much higher OC headroom in a proper desktop. In the 9570, you'll only benefit from the 4820K if you can clock it beyond what the 4930MX can achieve (mostly for thermal reasons, and also because of Haswell's notorious inconsistency).

All that being said, if you don't need or mind the terrible portability, the 4820K is actually a very smart choice if you *just* wanted an unlocked quad core but didn't want to pay $1000 for the 4930MX, as the 4820K only costs 1/3 as much, and has the potential to go much further if temperature is kept under control.

Come to think of it, perhaps we could start recommending the P570WM/NP9570 + 4820K to people who want 4930MX performance but don't want to pay the ridiculous premium for it. All this of course assuming they don't care about portability, and don't mind the X79 platform being 3 years old.

 

What would you recommend me doing to this laptop once i receive it?

I plan on using Prema's mod for sure, also what is a better operating system for gaming? I heard windows 8.1 has lower FPS by some margin but is smoother with less micro stutter, will have to turn off secure boot too.

Windows 7 has higher FPS but has a little problem with the stutter that supposedly windows 8 doesn't have.

Is there a good way to remove IC DIAMOND from the chips without scratching them to hell? I'd like to be able to resell them someday when i upgrade, going to put Liquid Ultra on for sure when it arrives.

I didn't get the copper heatsink upgrade, i'm thinking maybe i can find a place in LA to get something like that done. There's a ton of custom computer shops around here.

I'm not too sure what else im missing, other than maybe gettting a modified vbios for the 880's.

J

 

Prema's BIOS for sure, nice boost in performance due to PCIe upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0

I personally could never get used to the Win8 UI even with StartIsBack, so I use Win7. Gaming wise they are identical except BF4 where Win8 has a distinct advantage. Haven't heard of the microstutter issue but I don't notice it when gaming in Win7. (this is highly variable though as sensitivity to microstutter is a very subjective matter)

The proper way to remove IC Diamond is to soak the paste in pure alcohol to soften it first, then wipe it off with a Q-tip. Although this is pretty much what I do for any non-metallic paste so not sure these instructions are that special. If you're going for Liquid Ultra, just make sure you pay close attention to the application instructions, and check out the video on Youtube before proceeding. Never, ever allow Liquid Ultra to come in contact with the aluminum parts of your CPU heatsink!

Don't bother with the copper cooling upgrade; unless there's an active airflow over the additional ramsinks, you won't see thermal benefits. Better to spend that money on a U3 cooler and then modding the hell out of it (check my sig).

 

You're one awesome dude, number 1

I just carefully read your posts about the cooling mods, amazing. I will probably do most of them except cut the panels on the bottom of the laptop, in case i need to sell the laptop someday. I can always take the bottom off if it will be stationary for an extended length of time.

The mod to the notebook cooler was pretty cool, was it a huge jump in performance when using the new fans? Also, what did you use to cut out the metal on that notebook cooler? It looks like an easy enough little project for some major results!

Will i have to do the sanding on my heatsinks as well? It looks like a lot of work, but probably worthwhile huh?

I wonder if the 9570 has the same problem with gaps, that was incredible!

Is the PHC having the same heating issues in the 9570? Does it make a difference to get that cooled down?

What kind of foam did you use to insulate the gaps? Can i find that on amazon?

You're going to have me working hard at bringing down the temps on this computer once it arrives!

Thank you very much

 

Yeah I don't think cutting out the bottom panel would help for the 9570, as the fan grilles are well designed and provide plenty of air to the fans already.

I used a Dremel rotary cutting tool (Dremel 3000 to be exact) for cutting the U3. It's not hard but it does require a lot of time and patience, as well as a steady hand (you can tell mine weren't ). Just make sure you have at least 2 cutting wheels as you will grind both down to less than 1" in diameter after cutting out that amount of metal. You may not see as much thermal benefit simply because the 9570 has a better designed cooling system, so temperatures are already better than my P370SM.

Sanding/lapping the heatsink is another 2 hour+ process, which may or may not be worth it depending on how much free time you have. Honestly I did mainly for fun and to learn something, but profit on the side is always nice.

Don't worry about the PCH for the 9570, it has its own heatpipe which leads to the CPU heatsink, and is actively cooled by the CPU fans.

I used 3M 427 aluminum foil tape to seal off those gaps. Chose that model for its heat resistance (up to 150 °C).

IMO the cooling in 9570 is much more robust, so temps should be pretty good out the gate. Of course if you're planning on overclocking every little bit helps.

 

no point having more cores i'd prefer to disable HT off and have real 4 core or 6 cores and OC it like crazy up to 5 if at all possible. at this point though, just waiting for haswell E but currently not very promising as it runs very hot =/

 

5GHz will be tough even with water cooling though, and I don't think it'd be possible with the P570WM even if you did Takaezo's water cooling mod.

 

Yeah 5ghz is really hard, especially with such limited power system controls.

 

Ok, well after getting distracted by Taka's water cooling mod for a good half hour, i remembered to ask my question!!

The lighting on the back of the screen, and the lighting for the touchpad can't be turned off. I find that to be kind of ridiculous. Is there any way or any mod one could use to have a hardware switch to turn them on/off?

Thanks

 

Not that I am aware of.

 

Is there a cable you could pull on the touchpad, or is that touchpad lighting tied to the touchpad itself?

 

I'd imagine there would be a cable somewhere but I never had to look to be honest.

 

Would be interesting to take the cable from the touchpad light and the one on the back and link them together for a small on/off switch that could be velcro'd to the side of the laptop for easy on/off activation. I don't think it would be that hard to do either.

 

The problem is getting the cables out the case neatly.

 

Had a quick glance at the service manual, it seems that touchpad light may be linked with the click buttons and not the touchpad itself. The good news is that (if I'm reading the diagram correctly) it appears that you could remove that light bar independent of everything else.

 

Anyone know if the np9570 will fit in a Everki Beacon?

 

It fits in the titan just fine so probably.

 

will need a cherry picked CPU to go over 5ghz tbh.
also with takeo's water cooling mod, hes running with HT on, while I turn HT off for more temperature room to work with, and also less voltage. I don't really like HT whenever there is temperature factor involved.

 

Yes but to be fair at those sort of speeds you are looking at benchmark only and HT increases the score in a lot of benchmarks.

 

naw i dont really care about benchmark. i just want snappiness got a bunch of single threaded software could use a good high frequency cpu.

 

On the stock cooling you will get 4.3ghz is an with a water cooling mod 4.6-4.7ghz for 24/7. HT makes no difference to the obtainable frequency.

 

HT doesnt influence on frequency unless its voltage/temp issue. HT does lower temp by quite a bit, for quads it is 8-10C, for hexa I'd assume 10-12c? hopefully. also uses a tiny bit less voltage with HT off, performance trade in my book isn't worth it imo. if it's temp issue then i'd disable HT for maybe 300 mhz extra to cover up 10-20% loss by disable HT in multi threaded performance, while still faster for single threaded ones.

imho its win-win situation unless doing it pure server workload.

 

Well I should say it did not impact my overclocking at all. Certainly not +300mhz.

 

whats limiting your CPU OC, is it the heat or voltage or just chip itself can't handle it?

im looking forward to one of these btw Spark S9T | SSI Portable
right now negotiating with them hopefully they'll have someone out and up to date mobo/socket for broadwell xeons.

 

Vdroop for the most part requiring voltage ramping. Turning off HT seems to have no impact on the voltage required to hit a clock speed.

 

yea it has almost no impact. if CPU oc is limited by temperature though, then turning off HT is good.

 

The only thing that helps is dropping the CPU temp by a massive degree with the water cooling, that does lower the voltage/power requirement.

 

If I knew back in November what I know now, I would've snapped up the P570WM with 4930K in a heartbeat.

Here's to hoping Clevo releases a P870WM with the X99 chipset.

 

It will be a beast if they do

 

Even better if they make it water cooled. Portability be dammed, all I care about is MOAR power.

 

As I have said, internal water cooling adds nothing to your total cooling capacity, in fact if you use the extra space for traditional heatsinks and fans it would be better.

 

I think we have enough fans for now, but you do remember my comment about increasing the radiator size on the CPU heatsink yes? (bridge the gap between the 2 CPU raditors to make it one gigantic radiator) They're gonna have to revalidate and test the model, but it will surely bring benefits.

 

The CPU cooling is not bad actually, more would be nice but i'd be primarily concerned with adding maybe another heatpipe to the GPU core part of the heatsinks and making them a bit bigger.

 

Now you reminded me: if they reorganized the internal space so they don't have to cut out fins on the GPU heatsink to accomodate the screws on the core plate, that would probably work too.

And I wouldn't mind if Clevo offered a water cooling setup like takaezo's as an optional add-on. I would totally buy it.

 

that or they should totally go for 18" laptop with multiple display.. even without water cooling i'd go for it instantly. imo if they use water cooling sharing heat between all components and use all 4 fans would be nice, I could use 5.0ghz on 8 cores with HT off lol.

 

You may as well go for a desktop with how those setups are not mobile any more lol.

 

Greetings!

I just recieved my notebook :') This is an amazing little device so far, my first high end laptop.

Quick question for you folks. I ordered a np9570. I noticed it has a 3d emitter on the laptop screen.. Is this normal? I wasn't expecting this at all

 

How do you know the emitter is installed and working?

 

I know it's installed, because i can see it How do i tell if its working?

 

Apparently i got a P570wm. It's got all the gpu's and the cpu that i wanted. So whats the deal? Are they basically the same thing?

 

Seeing where it should be is one thing. There isn't anything saying there is anything behind it is what I'm getting at. If I recall it's just a reflective patch of plastic that houses it. Just because that's there doesn't necessarily mean the emitter is installed. I'd just contact your reseller and see if that is something that was included or not.

 

Thanks, I might just do that! But if they are basically the same thing its not that big of a deal i'd say. Whats the difference between the np9570 and the p570wm?

 

You're actually comparing the same things.

Sager NP9570 / Clevo P570WM

Sagers model would be the NP9570 but it's based off the Clevo P570WM system by Clevo.

 

So there's no major differences between the two? Same motherboard &speakers and things of that nature? Thanks!

 

Exact same machine. Clevo supplies the barebones that Sager puts the parts you pick in.

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