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    *** Official Clevo P37xSM-A/Sager NP9377 owner's lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Ethrem, May 22, 2014.

  1. Ethrem

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  2. D2 Ultima

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    Except he asked where to buy with:
    2 x PSU
    120Hz screen

    Eurocom is the only reseller that still has this on their customization page, even though they are more expensive and their warranty systems are likely sub-par compared to Sager/Mythlogic/etc.
     
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    Guess so, they also upgraded the RAM speed, the HD speed, calibrated the display, AND premium paste, all as giveaways. But I was spending more than a $5.00 part :rolleyes:.
     
  4. Ethrem

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    I told him it's a waste of money. And Eurocom isn't in the US. So I guess we both screwed up =P

    You don't need dual PSUs with the 980M. And I didn't know that Eurocom has 120hz panels.

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  5. Brent R.

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    why do you want 2 if you are unlikely to need them?
     
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    Yup! They have the full line of processors too. 4930MX for +$600 and 4940MX for +$1000 over base CPU.

    They even have 2133MHz CL11 Corsair Vengeance RAM for sale in the configurator. They have the absolute highest selection of parts I've ever seen.

    Hell, their P6xxSx Clevos have the 4870HQ as an option too.
     
  7. Ethrem

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    There are plenty of complaints about Eurocom, maybe they finally turned their act around. It pissed me off that they told eBay they shipped them a week and a half before the postage was stamped. Then there was the time they usurped Clevo.com when the domain expired.

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    I want two 980Ms, not two PSUs. Well I also want two PSUs... just in case... don't question my ability to use power O_O. I've overdrawn my power brick at stock 780Ms and +400MHz on my CPU.
     
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    I got over 200W each out of my 780M cards when pushing them to the limit :)
     
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    It's possible they changed. I couldn't say. I know for certain I've seen a company change in the literal space of one month, so Eurocom could have cleaned up their act. We'll eventually find out soon enough.
     
  11. Ethrem

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    600 more over base for the 4930MX?

    http://m.ebay.com/itm/111552242627?nav=SEARCH

    Hmm... Lmao. I guess when you charge as much for the machines as they do, you can source all the parts in the world

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    My bad, I was in "CAD" price range.
    Here's Xotic:
    [​IMG]
    Here's Eurocom:
    [​IMG]

    Doesn't look so abd to me. Hell, 4910MQ is cheaper of an upgrade than on Xotic. That's interesting.
     
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    so does it come stock with 2 plugin's on the laptop or what is involved in setting up 2 power adapters for the P377SM-a seems like with a 4810MQ and sli 970m's you would need more than 1 power adapter then?
     
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    Will they put the 120HZ screen in for me? Where is that selection I do not see it? Do I have to manually order the screen myself and put it in myself? Of do I have to call them to do it for me?
     
  15. Ethrem

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    Exchange rates maybe?
    You don't need it but for people who want it, the cheapest place to get the converter box that you can connect two power supplies to is http://www.laptoppartsnow.com/j01150mclac12.html

    Its where I got mine. It's genuine Clevo.

    I'm running 4.2GHz core at stock voltage on my CPU and dual 980Ms on a single PSU without issue. If you push the voltage on your 970s to the 1.2v limit you'll probably overload a single PSU. When I was messing with my 880s that sucked a lot more power, I didn't overload until the 1.2v mark with turbo turned off on the CPU when I fired up 3dmark11. Seriously you need to be doing some serious overclocking to overload a single PSU with this machine.

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    Running stock any configuration will be fine with a single brick, I drew 200W each becuase I was running core speeds over 1.4ghz on the GPU ;)
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Is there a US reseller that offers this service?

    Why does exotic pc not offer this service?
     
  19. Ethrem

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    Xotic can't offer anything that Sager doesn't. That goes for all Sager resellers.

    Eurocom is a Clevo reseller, I bet Clevo has different rules.

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    EUROCOM X8
    Base
    System and Display EUROCOM X8 Workstation Edition
    Choose your LCD Display 120Hz; 17.3-inch (43.9cm) FHD 1920x1080; MATTE (Non-Glare) Wide Viewing Angle; eDP; LP173WF2
    Discover the Difference with Display Calibration Professional Display Calibration with .icc Profile Saved on CD-ROM Disk
    Processor / CPU 2.90 GHz (up to 3.90); Intel Mobile Core i7-4910MQ; 4C/8T; 8MB L3; 22nm; FCPGA946; 47W; DDR3L-1600/1866
    CPU Heatsink - Thermal Paste IC Diamond 7 Carat Thermal Compound for Maximum Performance
    GPU / Graphics Technology Dual VGA support (SLI and CF); up to 100W per card; Modular MXM 3.0b; Upgradeable
    VGA / GPU Graphics Options SLI; 16GB; 2x 8GB GDDR5; NVIDIA GTX 980M (N16E-GX); 1536 CUDA; GPU/VRAM Clock 1038MHz/2500MHz; Maxwell (28nm); MXM 3.0b; 2x 103W
    GPU Heatsink - Thermal Paste IC Diamond 7 Carat Thermal Compound for Maximum Performance
    Memory (RAM) Configuration - Fully Upgradeable 16GB; 2x 8GB; DDR3L-2133; CL11; 204-pin; Corsair Vengeance; 1.35V-1.5V; 2 SODIMMs
    Biometric Fingerprint Device Built-in Fingerprint Reader
    Embedded Security Chip Embedded TPM 1.2 Security Chip for Data Encryption
    USB 3.0 Ports Built-in 4x USB 3.0 and 1x USB 2.0 Ports
    DisplayPort Adapters, Cables and Converters None - choose from the options below:
    eXpansion Modules for 2-3 External Displays None - Choose from the options below
    Internal mSATA SSD (1st) 250GB; mSATA3 SSD; MLC; Samsung 840 EVO; SATA3 (6Gb/s)
    Internal mSATA SSD (2nd) 250GB; mSATA3 SSD; MLC; Samsung 840 EVO; SATA3 (6Gb/s)
    RAID 0/1/5/10 Options for Storage Performance and Recovery RAID 0 setup - for maximum performance
    1st Hard Drive. Choose Regular, Solid State or Hybrid Drive: 2TB (2000GB); 5400rpm; SATA3 (6Gb/s); 32MB cache; Samsung Spinpoint M9T; 9.5mm
    2nd Hard Drive 2TB (2000GB); 5400rpm; SATA3 (6Gb/s); 32MB cache; Samsung Spinpoint M9T; 9.5mm
    3rd Hard Drive 2TB (2000GB); 5400rpm; SATA3 (6Gb/s); 32MB cache; Samsung Spinpoint M9T; 9.5mm
    Internal Card Reader 9-in-1 Card Reader; MMC/RSMMC; SD/MiniSD/SDHC/SDXC; MS/MS Pro/MS Duo
    Optical Drive 6x Blu-Ray WRITER; Tray; SATA; Pioneer BDR-TD05; BD-R XL; 100/128GB media support; w/ software
    External Optical Drive None - Choose from the options below
    Choose Your Keyboard (Language) Backlit; English; USA/Canada; QWERTY
    Operating System(s) Microsoft Windows 8.1; 64-bit; OEM; w/ DVD Media Disk
    Office and Business Productivity Software None - Choose from the options below
    Wireless LAN 2-in-1; 802.11b/g/n WLAN + Bluetooth 4.0; up to 300Mbp/s; Bigfoot Killer Wireless-N 1202; Atheros AR5B22
    TV Tuner (Internal and/or External) None - Choose from the options below
    Bluetooth for Wireless Devices Optional available via WLAN / Wireless Option
    Digital Content Creation; Multimedia & Graphics; CAD, CAE & CAM; 3D & Animation None - Choose from the options below
    Built-in Web Camera Two webcams: 5M (front cover) and 1M (backcover); FHD
    Built-in Subwoofer Built-in Subwoofer Module
    Standard Battery (internal) 8-cells; Smart Li-Ion Battery
    Standard AC Adapter 660W (2x 330W) AC Adapter; Auto-switching ;100-240V w/Converter Box (for Maximum XTU/OC/SLI Performance)
    Standard Power Cord - included USA / Canada
    Carrying Case None - Choose from the options below
    Choose Your Warranty Plan 1 Year Return to Factory Depot with 1 Year of Tech Support
    Options
    Choose Extra Battery 8-cells Smart Li-Ion battery

    Eurocom wants 5570.00 for this configuration. I am not sure that is worth the difference from the Titan at 3699.00 with 2 year warranty.

    Is there a Clevo US Retailer that will offer all of these services with the 120HZ screen installed?

    Or let me put it this way. Is there any way to get the 120HZ installed and ordered from a US retailer in any model with 980M SLI?
     
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    You can't compare the Titan and that configuration... 6TB worth of hard drives plus two 250GB SSDs? You chose to go for dual PSU which you can't do with MSI... You've got a 4910MQ instead of board soldered crap that won't hold turbo... The list goes on and on.

    And no, no US reseller has the 120hz screen.

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    There is no other seller that I am aware of that carries the 120Hz panel, though it is possible to purchase the 50pin eDP from somewhere and buy it there.

    PLEASE make sure you're in "USD" and not "CAN" at the top of the page.

    PLEASE do not purchase 840 Evos. Get Plextors or M550s or something for the mSATA SSDs.

    Also stick with the 7260ac wireless card over killer wireless. Trust me.

    Anyway, my advice is this: get the 3 year warranty. Avoid the mSATA SSDs and the 2TB HDDs; get the machine stock for those, and buy your own drives from Amazon or somewhere. The same goes for the RAM. The 2133MHz vengeance RAM is $180 on Amazon for 16GB. Eurocom is charging $200 OVER the already-installed RAM. You could even ask them for the machine without RAM if you want to buy your own sticks; they might drop the price a bit to sell you without RAM.
     
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    Okay so what do you think I should do?

    I have decided not to get the Titan and I want this machine. I also want this machine before socket CPU's go obsolete.

    Should I buy from a US retailer and put my own 120HZ screen in it?

    I am afraid that if I have problems with Eurocom machine and have to return it from US it will be difficult.

    You are a master of this machine and I will do what you tell me to do.
     
  24. Ethrem

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    Lol he doesn't have this machine.

    Anyway, I would buy the machine from Xotic and if you feel confident, you can install the 120hz panel yourself. An alternative though is to just overclock the stock display. Depending on the panel, you'll probably be able to squeeze 80hz easy, probably closer to 100hz which is a negligible difference from 120. Really the only reason they had the 120hz panels in the first place was because they used to have 3D machines that required it. Now that they don't release 3D machines anymore, it may just be too costly to offer the 120hz option.

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    So how should I build my machine. I want everything that is on that Eurocom build that I posted earlier.

    Should i just buy it barebones with basic stuff and just buy everythingn else from Amazon and put it in myself?

    I want to get the 4940MX 4 GHZ because I want the best. Is this a mistake?

    Summarize everything I should do ...
     
  26. Ethrem

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    You can get everything except the converter box from Xotic. I linked to the cheapest place to get a converter box to run two PSUs. When you're making the build, make sure you select the spare A/C adapter option and you've got two adapters then just order the converter box and overclock your monitor in the nVidia control panel to get a higher refresh rate or seek out the 120hz panel and install it yourself but I really don't think that is necessary as your eyes can't process that speed anyway. 85 would be towards the limit of what most people's eyes can see.

    I would stick with the 4910MQ you had in your Eurocom build. They have a lower TDP so they tend to overclock as well or better than the MX. The MX is a waste of money. If I could redo my build I'd have dropped the MX.

    http://www.laptoppartsnow.com/j01150mclac12.html

    That's the converter box for running two PSUs in case you missed it earlier.

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    You can do as I did.. Buy it from HIDevolution, a US based Clevo reseller that has 120hz screens..
    Also I have 2 Samsung 840 EVO SSD's and they are great. :p

    http://www.hidevolution.com/clevo-h...der-ultra-high-performance-gaming-laptop.html

    EDIT: If you are stupid rich.. you can get:

    "2TB RAID 0 SSD w/ Startech 25SAT22MSAT Dual mSATA Adapter - 2 x Samsung 840 EVO 1TB mSATA SSD"
    in each of the three HDD spots for 8 TB's of SSD space with the two mSATA slots.
     
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    Crucial M550 over the 840 Evo any day...

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    don't doubt it, merely stating I like my 840 Evo's.. They run fast, good enough for me anyway :)
     
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    HIDEvolution is a direct Clevo reseller. With how much hassle Clevo gives Sager over fixing things, I wouldn't buy a machine that has a Clevo warranty.

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    He asked if he could buy from a US reseller and get a 120Hz screen. So I answered him.
     
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    Oh I know, I was just making a comment on the warranty front.

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    So you are saying that Sager is the better way to go for warranty repairs and that if I really want the 120HZ screen just put it in myself?
     
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    I have this machine and I can clock my display to 80 hz. It runs perfectly fine and at 80fps I really don't think buying a 120hz screen later and installing is really going to make all that much difference or worth all the trouble to install and source parts.
    But that's just my opinion .
    By the way I'm loving my np9377 980m sli with 4810mq. Couldn't be happier.

    Edit: I said I could clock my screen to 80hz. I haven't even tried to go higher . For all I know it could reach 100hz like others here have also pointed out. I just had no need or desire to go any higher.
     
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    Also I ordered mine from exotic pc and was very pleased with customer service and them overall so far. I got the 2 year sagar warranty instead of exotics warranty because I'm like only 4 hours drive from sagar where my laptop was built.
     
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    Please tell me more about your experience.

    Could you type a paper on this laptop? Possible DJ with it at a show? Quite? Fun? What are your overall thoughts?
     
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    I don't have time to write a paper on it. But I would suggest listening to Ethrem and others in the posts above. They know what they are talking about. I agree with the 4910mq processor being more than enough and is better for thermals than the mx chips. Also one 330w psu is plenty unless you are trying to beat mrfox's 3dmark scores. The computer at stock with 4810mq and 980m sli with no overclock of any kind in pumping out 100+ fps in most everything I play on it. Some a little less but mostly more than that. So unless you are a benchmark enthusiasts the laptop works almost to good to be true with everything stock.
    I'm only a gamer . And this is only my opinion .
     
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    I have and can, though my D900F keyboard was a lot nicer. I don't know about DJ-ing with it. It's quiet on auto fans, and with a headset max fans is not an issue.
     
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    So what do you think of this build?

    Sager NP9377-S (Clevo P377SM-A)
    - – U.S. UPS GROUND SHIPPING (Use Coupon Code "FREESHIP" in Checkout) [U.S. Lower 48 ONLY / Restrictions Apply]
    - 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - SSC002)
    - - 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty
    - NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
    - Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4910MQ (2.9GHz - 3.9GHz, 8MB Intel® Smart Cache) (SKU – SPU402)
    - - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
    - SLI (2x) - NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 980M (16.0GB total) GDDR5 PCI-Express DX11 (Maxwell) [User Upgradeable] (SKU – GPU04X)
    - No Copper Cooling Upgrade
    - No Video Adapter
    - No External Mobile Display
    - 16GB DDR3 1600MHz [2x8GB] Kingston HYPER X (CL9) Dual Channel Memory (SKU - RAMX99)
    - Remove All Branding
    - Standard Laptop Finish
    - No Laptop Laser-Sketch™
    - No Custom Laptop Painting
    - No Custom Laptop Painting
    - RAID-0 Storage - (Stripe) Combines mSATAs for performance. (Requires identical mSATA SSDs)
    - mSATA Slot 1 Preconfigured as an OS Drive ( Operating System – Drive C: ) / mSATA Slot 2 ( Storage Drive )
    - 256GB Micron M600 mSATA SSD
    - 256GB Micron M600 mSATA SSD
    - 1TB 5400RPM (w/ 8GB SSD Memory) Seagate Hybrid 64MB Cache [SATA III - 6GB/s] (SKU - HDD092)
    - 2TB 5400RPM [SATA II - 3GB/s] (SKU - HDD2B2)
    - HDD Raid Settings - OFF
    -
    - No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
    - No Back Up Hard Drive
    - NO External USB Optical Drive
    - Bluetooth Included *With select wireless cards only* (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
    - Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0 (SKU - WIFI94)
    - No Network Accessory
    - Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
    - Integrated Digital Video Camera
    - No TV Tuner
    - Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
    - No Carrying Case
    - Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
    - No Car Adapter
    - Spare 330W Sager AC Adapter
    - No Dock/Hub/Adapter
    - Integrated Fingerprint Reader
    - No Headset
    - No External Keyboard
    - No External Mouse
    - No Notebook Cooler
    - No Operating System Redline Boost
    - No Operating System [Drivers & Utility Software Only (Windows 7 & 8.1)]
    - None
    - No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
    - No Back Up Software
    - No Unlimited GB Cloud Backup
    - - No Microsoft OFFICE Software
    - No Software Bundle
    - No Global Anti-Theft Protection (Options below require an operating system)
    - LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Technical Support (Labor through XPC)
    Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Parts Warranty Repairs (SKU - WTY099)
    - * 24/7 LIFETIME U.S. based technical support
    * Extreme QA testing by dedicated technicians
    * 24-72 Hour stress testing and benchmarking to ensure top performance and stability
    - Standard Production Time
    - No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
    - No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
    - No XOTIC PC Gear
    - No XOTIC PC / LOOT CRATE
     
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    get 3 years warranty
    screw the hybrid hard drive. get the 2TB or the regular 1TB 7200RPM. You already have SSD storage so don't worry about that.

    Alternately, see if you can manage a 128GB SSD for your OS and a 512GB for your games. It's the setup I have and it's working great (except for the fact that my plextor rips my samsung to shreds)
     
  41. GACollegeStudent

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    Please tell me more about your experience.

    Could you type a paper on this laptop? Possible DJ with it at a show? Quite? Fun? What are your overall thoughts?
    Okay what about this? 3739.01! What would you do differently?

    Sager NP9377-S (Clevo P377SM-A)
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    - NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
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    - FREE! - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
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    - No Copper Cooling Upgrade
    - No Video Adapter
    - No External Mobile Display
    - 16GB DDR3 1600MHz [2x8GB] Kingston HYPER X (CL9) Dual Channel Memory (SKU - RAMX99)
    - Remove All Branding
    - Standard Laptop Finish
    - No Laptop Laser-Sketch™
    - No Custom Laptop Painting
    - No Custom Laptop Painting
    - RAID-0 Storage - (Stripe) Combines mSATAs for performance. (Requires identical mSATA SSDs)
    - mSATA Slot 1 Preconfigured as an OS Drive ( Operating System – Drive C: ) / mSATA Slot 2 ( Storage Drive )
    - 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series mSATA SSD - Default
    - 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series mSATA SSD
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    - No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
    - No Back Up Hard Drive
    - NO External USB Optical Drive
    - Bluetooth Included *With select wireless cards only* (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
    - Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0 (SKU - WIFI94)
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    - Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
    - No Carrying Case
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    - Spare 330W Sager AC Adapter
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    - No External Keyboard
    - No External Mouse
    - No Notebook Cooler
    - No Operating System Redline Boost
    - No Operating System [Drivers & Utility Software Only (Windows 7 & 8.1)]
    - None
    - No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
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    - No Unlimited GB Cloud Backup
    - - No Microsoft OFFICE Software
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    Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Parts Warranty Repairs (SKU - WTY099)

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    - Standard Production Time
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    - No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
    - No XOTIC PC Gear
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  42. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

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    Agreed on the 3 year warranty and hybrid hard drive (they have a high failure rate). Disagree about storing games on an SSD. This debate has been played out, there's negligible performance difference between using a 7200 RPM hard drive for games or an SSD. You can fill a 512GB drive in no time with games today clocking in some 30-50GB. My steam library is around 350GB right now but I don't have the bigger games like SoM, Crysis, etc.

    As for your DJ question, I can answer that for you - the stock audio in this laptop has too much noise for high fidelity audio output, you'd need to get an external USB solution for that. This is one of the best and cheapest solutions. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ys_gigaport_hd_8_out_usb_audio_interface.html

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  43. D2 Ultima

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    Oh there is a benefit. Not all games will show it, but some do. The difference between SSD and HDD in BF4 is literally about 50 seconds of loading time. In Hardline, it's about 20 seconds of load time difference.
    But that's not all. When validating steam cache etc it's very very quick.

    I know a lot of games sadly don't benefit from SSDs. It's RAM or connection limitations, usually. Some games won't load till you download enough connection data from the server (like Titanfall) and others simply dump everything in RAM and give most people similar load times (Dark Souls 1 and 2, Mass Effect 1 and 2, etc). A good comparison is ME3, which is more hard-drive based. I can't even read them, they all pass so quickly.

    But it's up to the OP, and I do agree games are ridiculously large right now. I manage though. Lots of older games aren't that large at all and you can store many of them. =D. That being said, crap like Final Fantasy 13 that's freaking 60GB? Hell no, that went clean on my HDD.

    I personally dislike the 840 EVOs, and I've seen a lot of people get slowdown on their drives (thankfully mine is based off the pro variant so it doesn't do that, though it has no support otherwise and isn't even recognized well by their own SSD magician software). I would suggest M550s or M600s instead, if you could.

    This is only a little money, but if you really aren't going to be using this, you could save about $25 by using the regular DVD drive.

    You have still left your warranty at 1 year. Bro/Sis, listen, if you're paying $3000+ for a machine, you had damn well better make sure THEY'RE fixing it if so much as the keyboard coughs in 2.7 years.
     
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    Loading time doesn't matter that much to me, in-game experience is the same. But I only have 480GB of SSD and my Steam library isn't all my games... That doesn't include Origin or Watch Dogs or my super modded FF7 (the mod alone is 50GB with all the extras). My drives would be totally full.

    Again, agreed on the drives. I have the M500s in mine and they are great drives. Won't win benchmark awards but the performance isn't an issue. Got a pair of M550s in my desktop.

    Same with the warranty. Don't cheap out on the warranty.

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  45. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Do not get 840 Evo SSD's.. Those things are broken...
     
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    Does this apply to the 840 EVO mSATA as well? What exactly is the issue that makes them "broken"? Is it just the low IOPS I've seen reported in a few places or something else? I also saw mention of a firmware bug, but haven't found much more about it except that Samsung supposedly fixed it.

    I have one of the 1TB 840 EVO mSATAs and haven't had any issues at all, though my random write IOPS aren't quite as high as it says they could be.

    http://prntscr.com/6ca0ey
     
  47. GACollegeStudent

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    So what drives to I exactly get? I do not think Xotic offers them. I guess I will have to get those from Amazon. But then I'll have to order the hard drive brackets separately.
     
  48. Ethrem

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    There has been a firmware bug in the 840 evo that makes performance degrade if data is left inactive for some time, you can currently manually refresh it and there is a fix in the works to make it automatic.
     
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