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So if I lower the voltage of the ram and it's frequency, and put higher tinmings it should work?

 

That's down to what the chips can do.

 

Guys how to update my BIOS/EC

i just received the new notebook & It seems i have pretty limited bios options. Is it possible for me to update to a version with more options.

 

That's the same BIOS that most Clevos come with.

To be honest I'd leave it alone unless you know what you're doing. Flashing custom BIOS almost in all cases voids your warranty, so you'd be screwed if something goes wrong.

If you're still set on going ahead then I suggest you try http://premamod.com


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Unless you need something specific then xtu offers most of the options.

 

I'm looking at getting a NP8275 with the 4700MQ and GTX770M (I run an older 5850 on my desktop and don't really need much of a step up from that). I was just wondering what some average temps for this setup would be? Most temps I see listed here are for the 780M.

 

Go for the Radeon HD 8970M if you got the option, it's better than the 770M.


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It isn't an option for me, which is why i asked this specific question. I didn't ask for advice on upgrade, I asked a specific question and thats all I need answered, thanks.

 

Just a piece of advice, you should take every bit of advice you can get.

In terms of temps you're looking probably at 70-85C GPU under load and 60-75 CPU.


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How are we supposed to judge how much you know? You could be convinced the 770M is the fastest card available for a lower price and be in error.

The 770M is a much lower power chip so you can expect at least 10C lower than the 780M temps.

 

Are there any known problems with the Intel integrated graphics? I was just browsing the web when the screen turned black and it said Intel HD driver stopped responding and has recovered successfully.

 

If it turns out to be a reoccurring problem there could be a possible driver conflict that popped up, but if it was a random one off deal I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

Not on a mass scale I was aware of.

 

Actually, i have a P150Sm, but the cooling system is the same, and the spare area provided by the 17 inch compared to 15 inch is used by the subwoofer, so temps are comparable :
i made a repast with ICdiamond,
without overclock : 64°C MAX
with max software overclock ( +135Mhz GPU ) :67°C MAX

And it's a really good card; i recommend !

Elipsus

 

Those are some good temperatures.

 

I opened up the laptop for some cleaning and I noticed there's paper stickers on both the GPU and CPU heatsinks... Are they supposed to be there? I've never seen those on heatsinks before.

Also, the GPU LED indicator for integrated/discrete GPU... is that always supposed to be on? For me it is even when I set the setting to be Integrated in Nvidia control panel.

 

The paper stickers are there to act as handles so you can pull out the heatsinks easier. So yes, they are supposed to be there.

The iGPU light should not always be on. Is it on as soon as you boot Windows? Are you running any gpu monitoring programs? If not that, what is running in the background?

 

Yeah it's MSI afterburner thanks for pointing that out about background programs.

Edit: so is the deal basically if I run any monitoring programs the dGPU will always be used? Are there any monitoring programs that don't do this?

 

I think hwmonitor or hwinfo don't do it. But the the ones that monitor and let you modify the gpu tend to do it. There are a bunch of various monitoring programs out there, so some may, others may not. It also depends on what you are trying to monitor, as non gpu monitors should be fine.

 

I use HWmonitor and love it.

The latest version even lets you do screen capture.

 

I'm with you there, I've been using it for a few years and like it better than others. Even got our production team hooked on using it every chance they can. There are a few things it lacks in features but by far presents the most information compared to others.

 

The thing I really like about MSI afterburner is that it uses the Rivatuner on screen display... and it doesn't seem to work without MSI AB running.

 

In the P177SM is it possible to disable the led soundbar? I didn't find anything about it in the manual.

What memory sticks should I buy if I want to have 32GB of memory, has there been any problematic 1,35V sticks?

 

Have you checked the latest hotkey software?

For 32gb 4x8gb 1600mhz/1866mhz of any 1.35v should be good.

 

The guy that wrote Afterburner is the one that wrote Rivatuner.

I know on screen display is nice, but mostly you just need to know max temps. Or just run it only when gaming. I don't know of any others that provide on screen display. So you have to make a choice.

 

Yes I have the latest hotkey software, or latest that clevo site gives, it has different version number when installing. But the hotkey software only has settings for the keyboard back lighting and those settings doesn't change the behavior of the soundbar.

 

Do you have the latest bios? I don't have that model, but I thought they added the option to turn it off. I am not sure at all though. Another option would be to open the computer and physically disconnect it.

 

I figured out a way. I let RTSS run by itself and not run MSI Afterburner. Then I use HWInfo64 to drive values to send to the OSD. None of them activate the card, and once the discrete GPU is used the values become populated in HWInfo64 and it shows up on OSD.

The one other concern I have is the fact that after a gaming session, the discrete GPU is not used anymore and thus the fan stops even when it's still at a high temp. Is it going to be harmful to keep it at a high temp or is it a non issue?

 

Hey guys, what's the thickness of the thermal pads used on the VRAM of the GPU heatsink in the P170SM? GTX 780M. I need to get replacements but unsure what thickness I need.

 

The dgpu will cool down almost instantly after it is no longer used. So it is normal for fans to shut down fast after usage.

 

Are you sure? I know it will cool down a significant amount but I think it still remains high for a while. For example I turned on MSI Afterburner a few seconds after the dGPU was switched off and it still showed something like 68C.

But to be honest I don't think it matters if it has a few extra seconds of high temperature.

 

The fans shut down when the dgpu does. Cooling down slowly is safer than rapid thermal cycling.

 

The temps on my 780m drop to around 46C very fast. And my fans do stay on for a few seconds after the dGPU turns off. But I haven't been watching it too closely as it seemed to be working fine.

After all, since the dGPU isn't making heat any more, it should cool pretty fast. After all it is just a thin piece of silicone. I think the residual heat in the heat sink is the only thing holding heat after it is off. So it is not getting hotter after being turned off.

 

No once the dGPU is powered down it is all but totally off, waiting for a wake up signal.

 

What's the acceptable temperature level for AMD 8970M and i7 4800?

 

Low 90s is getting high.

 

There doesn't appear to be any option in the UEFI to disable it. I tried to physically remove it, but it didn't want to come of, and because I don't know if it is connected underside with a socket like connector or with just a cable and it might be secured additionally with some glue or double sided tape, so I didn't apply any strong force to it.

Ah, it seems that Fn + -, next key of the 0, disables it. In my case it was the key is ?/+-key

 

Ah, glad you got it figured out. That should help others. As for disconnecting it, I know some where disconnecting the trackpad lights on some models. So I figured it would be simular.

 

Yes but they have added the extra controls now

 

When I run Prime 95 and Furmark xtreme burning tests simultaneously, CPU hit 84C max and HD8970 hit 91C max (After 18min)

CPU most of the time stayed around 82C and GPU around 89-90C. Ambient temp is 20C

 

So your system only gets hot when it's running harder than it ever will realistically. Cool.

 

Hi,

I'm looking into getting a P177SM/XMG P703 from mySN and was wondering if you guys could give me some feedback, from actual owners, on the system and if there are any known driver issues?

Here are the specs:

XMG P703

Display - Full-HD 1920x1080 Glossy

Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M

Processor - Intel Core i7-4700MQ Quad Core

Memory - 8GB (1x8192) Crucial Ballistix Sport

Hard Drive - 120GB SATA-III SSD Samsung 840 EVO Series

Hard Drive2 - 750GB SATA-III 7200rpm Western Digital Black

WIFI Card - Qualcomm Atheros Killer Wireless-N 1202

Operating System - Windows 8.1 64 Bit English

Thanks!

 

Looks to be a good build I'd recommend dropping the Killer card in lieu of the AC 7260 personally, then possibly using that extra money (assuming a price decrease in that change) to getting a larger SSD. 120gb for programs and OS will fill up a lot faster than you think.

 

The price difference on those two cards won't cover a larger ssd at all. But if you can afford it a larger ssd would be a plus.

 

Ordered myself a P170SM from GentechPC yesterday afternoon, can't wait to get that bad boy home and ready to go! Went with a pretty basic system (GTX770&120GB Samsung EVO SSD w/ 1TB storage drive)

 

Yes, as much as I would like a larger SSD I dont think I can afford it right now. I think I should still be fine to have the OS and a couple of games there, and use the WD 750G for the rest of the games. As I understand SSDs only help with loading times?

Does the Killer WiFi actualy make a diference? Are there any comparission charts laying around?

 

I ordered a SSD seperatly and put it in myself. That saved money. All drives store data, which could be programs, or games, or word documents, etc. So either you write to a drive or read from it. Most of the time you are reading. When you boot the computer you are reading a bunch if files. When you first start a game it reads in a bunch of files. Once a program, game, etc, is loaded then the drive just sits there. Some games will need to load new levels as you play though.

So yes, SSDs help with loading times. It can make your computer feel faster and peppier.

One user tried the killer and 7260, and found small differences due to packet prioritizing. This is what a good router should be doing anyway. So I went with the 7260.

 

Also helps with titles that stream as you go.

 

As some of you have seen I'm lokking to buy a P177SM. Right now mySN are having a promotion in wich the most voted laptops will get a discount. If Some of you could go to mySN.co.uk | XMG | Schenker Technologies - Company Information and vote for the P703 it would really help me out!

Thanks

 

Lol, I predict the 15 inch will win again.