*** Official Clevo P170EM / Sager NP9170 Owner's Lounge ***

Just ordered mine.

Specs in sig.

Thank you Mythlogic for being awesome.
Yes I should have waited a week for Ivy Bridge, but I can upgrade later because clevo laptops are awesome like that. And it hasn't even processed my card yet and I want my new laptop in my hands, right now.

 

Congratulations, Mythologic is indeed a good company I hope you enjoy your awesome computer, have fun!

 

Mythlogic sent me an additional message after I finished my order.

A free upgrade to Ivy Bridge, same or better quality to my actual purchase (I will be comparing bench marks between the processor I get and the one I intended to get of course, but I trust these dudes so I must admit I love this),

So, scratch out what I said about upgrading down the line.

 

90% matte option whaaaaaaaaat

I need that part # ASAP

It's a glossy screen, no different than others. You won't want to use it with direct light shining into it.

 

Yeah I saw that 90% matte option on powernotebooks too.

I will be ordering a Ivy + 7970M laptop and that screen may have swayed my purchase unless a few other resellers jump on!

 

Only powernotebooks offers such screen right now, it's insane!! 90% Gammut 17" matte display - FTW) Give us a part #, please.

 

So just a question. Since on the back of the 170EM ( I ordered mine last week ) there is a display port, HDMI, DVI. Can i run dual monitors from the laptop?

 

there are some limited or non glaring screens out there .. its just depending on the quality and the manufacturer

if ur into gaming and that, you will be fine with the matte .. but if ur in the multimedia production u will want that glossy representation

 

I highly doubt it. One or the other is usually the case.

 

I am kind of curious of the validity of a 90% Matte when other resellers say there isn't a 90% Matte screen out..

 

I have the high gamut glossy screen in my notebook. Trust me when I say, it's as glossy as glossy gets.

And it's a complete myth, that glossy LCDs do anything better than matte ones. The television industry has proven that many times over.

 

I'm tired of waiting too. At this point, it looks like Ivy Bridge will have arrived before my notebook does...

I actually ordered and paid for my notebook more than a month ago. Apparently I got shoved to the end of the line because when the pricing was announced on the 8th, it was lower than at the time of preorder, and they told me to place a new order to get the correct pricing (while maintaining my $50 preorder discount). So mine is still in testing limbo, probably the same as anyone who just waited until the NDA lifted on the 8th. Sucks because today is 12 business days from replacing the order, and some people who ordered later than me have theirs already. Oh well.

 

Assuming you ordered with Xotic PC?

Also, I am curious how did you get that signature banner?

 

Yeah, Xotic. They've always been cool with me in the past, though obviously I'm annoyed about the preorder issue.

The banner was hosted somewhere on their site - I'm sure a rep would give you the link if asked. Sometimes they offer a discount ($30 right now) for including it in your sig.

 

Yes you can

 

Really?? That would be great! Are you sure about that?

 

Is there a banner from PowerNotebooks ? I want one!

 

it's possible to buy the barebone without cpu ram and hdd ? where at a good price ?

anyone tried 3d software ( like 3dstudio ) ?

the best display ( for photography and 3d ) is the AUO B173HW01 V.4 ?

 

it could be they had a "deal" with a display company

if ur a gamer im not sure why would you go for glossy 90 .. ive seen a normal 70 mate/glossy display that performs pretty well when color calibrated .. unless ur really picky by getting the best out of a game and that kinda stuff

i would suggest getting a normal 70 and invest the money into a calibration tool which could be used in multiple machines/displays

as for multimedia production .. i dislike the matte because of the coating, it generates a grainy nature which you dont want .. its very important to get a good representation of what ur doing or whats ur work, thus the glossy one is a definite

 

by tv industry u mean like the consumer end tv sets ??

if so i have to disagree with you, since im into the multimedia production stream.

you can actually see the difference in colors, sharpness, saturation and contrast.

if you believe that its a hype and over rated, the chance is that your applications does not require high gamut display.

 

i havn't but i use photoshop, lightroom, audicity, and others and a normal processor would do .. does not have to be a high-end like the XM series

as i always say .. rams are ur friends .. invest in 'em

as for the display .. the best thing i saw around here are 90% gamut .. which pretty decent for a laptop .. other wise you might need a reference display which is quite expensive .. like a thousand bucks for a 24"

 

Yes, you should be able to use the DVI, HDMI together to but that requires your laptop screen to be turned off (as far as I'm aware)

 

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

 

i just have an idea to buy a desktop with a u2711 for home...

...but i wan a good display ike that used into precision m6600 ( not the ips version... too much bucks )





there's no problem with put inside quadro/fire pro cards in this , right ?

 

i think we're getting waay off topic ,, lets discuss this in pm

 

Guys what do you think Astro Scout backpack for P170EM

 

Any idea how to enable the subwoofer in the P170EM?
I just upgraded from a P170HM and i noticed that in this new laptop the FN+5 to enable subwoofer does not work.

 

Getting the retailer to fix it under warranty would be the best thing to do IMO.

 

I just ordered a Clevo P170EM (NOT rebadged) from AVADirect and the rep indicated he thought the keyboard backlighting was only WHITE, no multi-color. In MANY videos I've seen for the laptop, I've seen multi-color keyboards. Does ANYONE know if the stock keyboard backlight is ONLY white?

Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide on this =)

 

Its programmable and comes in lots of colors.

 

As Mythlogic has stated, the stock keyboard is programmable and comes in several different colors you can set on your own.

 

Theres no problem with my P170EM, just mine and many others that i´ve seen there´s no FN+5 function to enable the subwoofer, im guessing that this feature is gone, anyone here knows how to enable it, do you need to enable it with software?
I didn´t install realtek neither did i install THX software, but then again, when i had the P170HM there was no need to install those to get your subwoofer to work, you just had to press FN+5 to activate it. I just want to know if there´s any similar option for the P170EM.

 

This is the best news ever. I will be getting rid of my old desktop now

 

Since Intel SRT requires the disks be setup in raid, even with 1 sata disk, does it still work equally as well with a raid array? I noticed microcenter is selling OCZ Nocti mSata chips; sandforce 2141, sequential 280MB/s read & 255MB/s write, 30gb for $70, would that work with my 2x750gb raid 0?

 

Anyone here who has used the older NP8170 or this New one NP9170 for long ? I would really like to know how much strain the laptop is put on when OCing . I read in a link in this thread that another member here "prema" has achieved a stable OC of 4.7 Ghz on NP9170 laptop. I really want to know the long term effects of this on the system. Most importantly I would like to know how long can one keep this oc on for this ? I mean can I keep it running for say 4 yrs on 4.7 GHz 10-15 hrs or more a day?

Also people keep recommending AW 18x as a better alternative but if Sager has better cooling ( as everyone keeps saying) then that should mean better oc ing? If that is the case why still is AW 18x being more recommended I cannot understand. Did I miss something?

 

I would also like to know about this... have the same HD set-up on the 9170 en-route to me.

 

I was able to find a post about it, although its a little unclear. But it leans towards the side that it does in fact work. Instructions are in the post.

[Solved] Raid 0 and Intel SRT - NAS-RAID-Technologies - Storage

Somewhat makes sense to me, but then some dont. Im thinking just install OS and such on raid array first, get everything going, then put in mSata drive in the end and see if theres a boost. Not sure why you would install the OS on the SSD being used as a cache, then reinstall on raid, although it somewhat makes sense (OS being cached on SSD) but Im not sure if SRT is smart enough to recognize that.

 

If you check out the XoticPC video review they touch on this topic briefly. They had a 120gb SSD and a 80gb Msata, ran both in raid and windows was showing the full 120gb available, so I think it does have to be enabled in raid but it doesn't limit your size to the size of the mSata. I could be totally wrong but that's what I got from watching it. I think he also mentions something in the 15" review of the new model.

 

Yeah I understand that, I just didnt know if you could use Intel SRT with a raid array. Ergo, in my 9170 I have 2 750gb conventional hdd's in raid 0. I know that even with a single main hard drive of any kind (hdd or ssd) SRT still requires raid be enabled.

My main objective is to have the 2x750gb in raid0, then the 30gb mSata chip as a cache for that raid. From looking around, it appears to work. A quick chat I had with Xotic also confirmed it.

 

The low capacity mSata drives have some pretty bad specs in the write realm, but I guess as a caching drive it should be good enough. I was thinking about using it as a page file drive, but no big improvement there...

As others have stated those mSATA intel drives are pretty expensive for the specs...

 

From the looks of these Nocti drives, they're not too bad. 12,500 IOPS random 4k write, 280MB/s sequential read and 255MB/s sequential write. Not bad for some of the things I do. In particular, that would really help with UDK, Maya, and stepmania off the top of my head. More than likely more as well.

 

Do those work with Intel SRT?

Edit: mixed reviews about those Nocti on the egg

 

As far as I can read, they have every reason to. Same as the intel 310 drives, mSata 3.0gbps at the least, and mlc (although I doubt that makes a difference in compatibility)

 

According to the egg the ADATA XM13 might look better than nocti. Not sure about the controller though SandForce SF-2141. Too much of a SSD dilema though and less of a NP9170 issue. If Intel SRT doesn't care what is in the slot then I'm good to go.

 

Requesting comments on my post on the last page (here --
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/655838-official-clevo-p170em-sager-np9170-owners-lounge-34.html#post8471938 )

 

It's stupid to spend $1k on a laptop CPU. But if you do, the machine is built to run it overclocked. How high of an overclock you reach depends on the chip. And Alienware owners will heavily recommend Alienware, while Sager owners tend to overwhelmingly recommend Sager. It's up to you to sift through the data to find which brand suits you best.

That's all the guidance and opinion I have for you, tonight.

 

I read through it, I don't think anyone there had a mSATA drive with the sole purpose of application and OS cache.
Suppose I'll just buy one, plug it in the 9170, enable it in bios (like I saw in Xotic's youtube review of the 9170) and hope it works? lol
I mean the mechanical drives are already in raid 0 so nothing else would theoretically have to be done hardware wise according to the bios.

Now as far as software... ehh I haven't the foggiest.

***Addition Edit

As far as Intel® Smart Response Technology
Intel® Smart Response Technology is an Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (RST) caching feature that improves computer system performance. It allows a user to configure computer systems with an SSD used as cache memory between the hard disk drive and system memory. This provides the advantage of having a hard disk drive (or a RAID volume) for maximum storage capacity while delivering an SSD-like overall system performance experience. Intel® Smart Response Technology caching is implemented as a single drive letter solution; no additional drive letter is required for the SSD device used as cache.

To me, and this may just be personal interpretation, but according to the description once the mSATA is installed, and the RST enabled in the BIOS in Raid 0, it will automatically work, as it is funneled between the hard disks and the system ram. So as far as software configuration... if you tried to set windows to cache and page on the mSATA drive, theoretically the OS wouldn't even see it as it's one and the same as the rest of the raid 0 config.

What you think Network Gamer?

=)

 

Thanks for the pointers.
1. Buying a 1k cpu is stupid but looking at it from durability perspective it is quite frugal. One can very much buy a 300-400 dollar CPU and in 2 yrs do what? Either buy an entirely new laptop with the newest CPU for higher speeds or buy a new CPU for the same chassis which would cost the same amount again while the last one wont certainly fetch its worth if sold. On the other hand buying the best( $1k cpu will work for 2 yrs and then with a little oc like 4 Ghz work for another 2 or even more.) It is a better investment whichever way you look at it granted the laptop itself can support its unleashing power
2. I disagree completely for the second point mentioned ( in bold above ). How can the processor be the deciding factor when both laptops are being compared using the same cpu. The factor has to be the cooling capacity of the the laptop and robustness of them.
3. I agree with you that owners favor their own laptop but this is not relevant to my point here because the actual results is what I am interested in. If there is a graph telling me that AW ocd at 5.0GHz is at 80 degrees but NP9170 is 85degrees then no matter what is favored by whom the numbers speak for themselves. I am interested only in numbers and not at all in subjective opinions.

 

That's the setup I've ordered, 240 SSD+750 HD 7.200 in SRT from PowerNotebooks. Donald said its THE best way to go. Will report back when it arrives.

 

More info on setting up SRT yourself.

How to Set Up Intel Smart Response SSD Caching Technology | PCWorld