*** Official Clevo P170EM / Sager NP9170 Owner's Lounge ***

XTU has all the same bits and pieces as the BIOS interface would, however there is still a BIOS module that XTU communicates with that the BIOS has to have, and as Prema found out cannot just be "added back in" and have it work properly =) So Clevo has already gone on record as saying due to the lesser cooling system in the P150EM it won't be allowing OC'ing even though its the same chipset.

Yes if you use a modded BIOS it will void your warranty, and we don't do it ourselves because we DO have to warranty these things Anything we add to the laptops goes through a LOT of testing and validation to ensure that it will work properly for 3 years+ that people will have these things.

 

Rather July I'm afraid

 

. Early or late July ? Just need to know so I can get ready for it.

 

The P170EM has XTU enabled in the bios, if Im not mistaken?

Edit: Chatting with Michael S. @Xotic, it is enabled.

 

@mythlogic
You did not say anything about Clevo saying anything about the P170 and I am assuming as posted above also that the NP9170 has XTU enabled and so it can be oc'd without any BIOS flashing. Is this correct? Does it still require BIOS flashing or any other method which voids the warranty if I oc it? If it does not and its cooling is robust enough then the question again why dont any resellers oc the NP9170 ( I do understand not ocing the NP9150)?

 

Im not sure on other resellers, but Xotic has an overclocking option where they handle it for you and warranty it.

 

Hehe, same here, from Xoticpc too... But that was Asus's fault not Amd's. These should work fine.

 

Heads up! ATI is going to release the 7970M to manufacturing to start shipping in late May.

IB+7970

 

Still couldn't go back haha. I have to agree, it was at least partially on Asus, but I cant speak on stability for them in general. The few I've dealt with hadn't been great except for the G72GX I had. Cant say it was noticeably great, but it was on par with my expectations. Ive always leaned towards Sager in general since then, so we'll see if they live up to their name and what Ive heard (this is my first Sager).

Beyond that, I wholeheartedly prefer dealing with someone like pnb, xotic, myth, etc than any shop. Im in short done with those brands and in general computers that 1 company or another stockpiles somewhere, but that comes more from my field and taste than anything else.

Before I extend on my tangent, I got news that Xotic just received my laptop to do the screen upgrade. Luck may have it that I have pics/video and a review at weeks end. A little hesitant about a video review though, Xotic did a great job as it is.

 

i really wanna know if that %90 gamut screen does its job or does it really represent the colors truthfully or not .. im in the multimedia world too

 

If you put a XM processor into a P170EM then you can OC it, Clevo enabled XTU by default. Just using XTU does not void the warranty. Doesn't matter who "sells" the machine, a P170 has XTU enabled.

 

Ill be sure to go more in depth on that . It can be crucial, be it knowing what others may or may not see or making sure something looks just the way you want it. Color has become a big aspect in game design, specifically the style. Ergo why must a war game come off as damp and slightly more monochrome? (you knew that anyway) but Ill definately do a comparison between my Asus and it, and I have a few other devices I can compare against for a more accurate idea. In particular, a PS Vita, Asus Transformer, and a Samsung 21.5" 1080p.

 

Excellent news. I was hoping to be a little sooner but it works for me. I'm debating on forgoing the wait for a higher capacity mSATA and the 680M and get the IB and 7970M combo. I still have a month+ to decide.

 

Don't have any precised date but will keep you updated about it (as I'm keeping an eye on this as well)

 

Damn. I need mine by May 10th

 

sounds good man.

btw, KCETech1 just told me that nvidia cards has some DPC latency for audio work, and if im not mistaken you mentioned that you do some yourself. did u know ??

plus i have a build help thread that i wish you could contribute to .. i will appreciate it

 

I am not sure about this coz I did have a chat at xotic and would be buying mostly from them but the oc you mention is only the GPU oc and it is not CPU oc . If I remember correctly I was told that they OC the graphics card to a stable state but cpu they dont for any laptop. It would be great if you could clarify this.

 

Will do happily. As far as the DPC latency, I have not done research into that. I dont do a lot in the way of sound engineering, more basic. Think audacity haha.

http://www.xoticpc.com/wmt_options_images_popup.php?oID=3007 From their customize page. Includes both, and more likely only includes the cpu if you get an XM proc.

 

Is there any comparison between i7-2670QM and i7-3610QM? U think its a significant diff.?

I was gonna wait for the ivy bridge, and today the company i will order from added them to their list, but its gonna be to expensive for me. almost 200$ jump from the 2670QM to the 3610QM. I'm currently in Poland and theres only one clevo reseller here, so no other options ;(

EDIT: Also if i decide to go for the old Sandy bridge cpu..will it support the 3rd gen so i can change it later if i want to?

 

still if ur making some music, it will keep popping or cutting off from what i understood. thats why i will be waiting for the new cards.

 

I have the screen in my P170HM, and can say that its color reproduction is vivid and immaculate. It's really worth every dollar.

 

Not to worry, I have separate audio equipment, as well as a few family talents to help out. A lot of us are involved with some sort of media production, so the most Ill be doing with audio on this machine is already done elsewhere, so it'll go as far as importing an audio file and demoing, etc.

 

sounds good, but what is your comparison reference ??
have you ever worked with true color production monitors ??

cool stuff

 

Just confirmed from xotic. They dont OC the cpu be it any cpu and the banner on the customization page does say cpu/gpu but they do only Gpu.

 

Ok, good that it was clarified. Im always mildly skeptical about services like that.

 

Just to clear it up we do overclock CPU if we can. For example the current Sandy Bridge CPU's are locked so they cant be, in that case we can only do the GPU. The first gen core i were overclockable so we did over clock those. We'll see what happens with Ivy Bridge once its released.

 

I thought Ivy is released already!

 

Our first batch of IB CPU's just arrived on Friday, they were just released. We are testing them now. The IB was just released today and advertising sales can't be done until 4/29.

 

Copy that. Thanks

 

I'm thinking the 675 is the way I'll go, I'm done waiting! Time to get my order in.

Which reseller has a matte screen for the 17" that has a 95% color gamut? I only see the option for 15". I'm wondering how much it really matters. I'm not a professional photographer.

 

The 95% gamut screens only exist in 15.6"

There is a 72% Matte and a 90% glossy in 17.3"

 

The highest color gamut for a MATTE display is 72% at this time. It is very nice.

 

I seem to remember there being a 92% matte screen available a year or so ago.

Also, is there an option to disable hyperthreading in the BIOS?

 

Is there a way to disable the touchpad when a mouse is plugged in? I tried the registry change (add DisableIntPDFeature) but I still don't have the option in the Synaptics control panel to disable touchpad if a mouse is plugged in. I did reboot after making the change to the registry.

 

Do you mean that the 2960XM for Sandy bridge is also locked? If it isnt ( as probably it isnt) then why are none of the sager NP8150 or any other 8 series or even sager NP9xxxx that has capability for this XM processor still unclockable? Why has this not been done as you say above?

 

You are right the XM are not locked but there is no way to overclock it in the BIOS making it impossible for us to overclock.

 

To my understanding, you can use Intel XTU software to adjust the 2960xm's multiplier while booted in windows. Michael S. in a live chat mentioned that the NP9170's bios is enabled for XTU anyway.

 

Check PowerNotebooks , they have 90% gamut matte 17.3

 

Damn! 90% gamut matte. I've been debating on just going for the default standard glossy display to save $$$ and now this is available. Is it a really good matte display?

 

When we had the NP8xxx series the chipsets for the 8170 vs 8150 were different and so I read on NBR that it was only possible to oc ( if someone wanted to do it) on the 8170 coz for that chipset it was possible. But now, on the sager site I see that the chipset for both the NP9170 and NP9150 are the same . Should this not mean that if one can be ocd then both can be. Also I saw a few reviews about the BIOS and how they look and I couldnt figure out the place where one can enable/disable XTU support. If it is "inbuilt" into the BIOS without the user interface then I am none the wiser but am asking - should this not be true for both NP9150 and NP9170

 

You are right, the new ones do support it Intel XTU software which we are testing out. If everything works out ok we'll do it on the CPU's as well. Hopefully the testing will be favorable on these new Sager models

 

I was just recently clarified on this also.

XTU is automatically enabled by the ODM/Implementer/similar, such as clevo or sager, and in the case of the NP9170 theres no real option. Its just buried in the BIOS somewhere and enabled. As far as the NP9170 VS 9150, it does use the same chipset (HM77) however, Clevo/Sager found that cooling is an issue on the 9150, so XTU is disabled in its bios, whereas the 9170 has it enabled. Im not the one to ask, but maybe someday there might be some workaround (new clevo or custom bios? correct me if im off) but thats how it is atm.

 

Can someone tell the guys over at Xotic to hurry up and ship my laptop! XD Can't wait. Keep checking back here for more cool news/reviews from those of you who already have your laptops.

I'm sure once you get it, it's harder to come back here though lol

 

Haha Im in the same boat. If they dont already have it at Xotic, its en route there for the screen upgrade. May have it end of the week or monday.

 

Patience my friends waiting is always the hardest part hehe

Thanks for clearing that up on the NP9150/9170 Networkgamer

 

what is the highest gamut display provided by the resellers ??

 

Highest?

90% Glossy for the 17.3" Size.

 

Interesting display i saw today on powernotebooks - 90% matte 17" smthing new and amazing? Can you inform about manufacture? I think chimei or auo?

 

They should be AOU displays from what we are seeing.

 

does it glare too much?? i mean does it get very annoying ??

they tend to get grainy in their nature because of the coating .. best screens are gloss with %0 glare .. and its pretty damn expensive