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@Houzo Could you post your cinebench score? Best case with normal priority and no energy save mode

 

Here you go! Don't know why it says Windows 8, i have Windows 10 Pro installed.
Is my score good? https://imgur.com/a/51qiQy7

 

Looking good, i am around 866 points with my 2400 cl 16 ram

 

What's your OpenGL FPS?

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It shows 92,9 fps, it think i will upgrade my ram soon

 

Perhaps Alienware re-identified this market segment - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ordered-an-alienware-area-51m-from-hidevolution.826914/.

I hope Dell eventually makes some of the sales numbers of the Area51m public so other ODMs can get an idea of how large this market is, and how they may have missed the boat by not keeping current on their designs or being bold with a new HEDT (octo core or higher CPU) design.

 

has anyone figured out a way to control the led keyboard without control center?
i had to remove control center to solve throtteling issues. i can't download the latest version of it (the one from December 14 2018) because the download always fails at 99%. Can someone upload the file somewhere? or does anyone have a program to control the led keyboard?
i tried with obsidian keyboard led app but no matter how i set it up, my keyboard doesn't apply the changes.

 

The reason you are experiencing throttling is because the Clevo Control Center installs its own XTU.

Uninstall it, then uninstall the XTU Components if you see them in the Control Panel > Programs & Features.

Then download Autoruns and run Autoruns64.exe as admin, then type XTU in the search filter and delete any entries pertaining to XTU then reboot.

Now, before installing the control center again, go into its folder and right click on OEM.ini and hit edit.

Look for the line which says XTU Support = 1 and change that value to 0.

Now when you install the Control Center, it wouldn't install the built in XTU and thus shouldn't cause you any throttling issues.

 

First of all, thanks for the reply!
After uninstalling Control Center, there was no XTU Components in programs & features.
Autoruns64.exe didn't find any entries when searching for "xtu".
In OEM.ini, the only entry containing xtu is "SupportXTUFanTable=1". Changing that to 0 and installing Control Center again leads to throtteling. I have the control center set to performance mode.

Which Control Center should i use? I have the one from clevo driver page, v5.0001.1.97.

 

oh sorry for the incorrect wording I haven't touched a Clevo laptop since 2 years.

You are right setting the SupportXTUFanTable to 0 should install the Control Center with no XTU but if it's still throttling, you may want to increase the VR Current Limits.

What CPU you do you have? It'd be helpful if you put your system specs in your signature like most of us here do.

Go into your BIOS and tell me if you can see any value for VR Current Limit and if there is any undervolting. Should be in the OC section if the Clevo BIOS still has that.

 

I have the n957tp6 with i5 8400.
Throtteling happens for the GPU, CPU runs fine.
Now I noticed something interesting: the GPU clock is fine until it reaches 60° Celsius. Then it drops immediately to 1111mhz. I guess it is entering some passive cooling state. This happens only with the control center installed.
Unfortunately my bios doesn't have a oc section.
Also when the GPU is throtteling i get lots of weird glitches and artifacts in heaven bechmark.

 

That does sound like a bug in the software.

 

Yes, i guess i'll have to live without control center until there will be an update. Won't be able to control keyboard led and use hotkeys for dimming backlight.
I really don't need control center, i'd be happy just to have the flexikey app standalone.

 

I take it you reported it to your reseller?

 

I have, but no response yet. I'll post their answer here. Reseller is Dubaro.

 

Hey folks, i found a solution for the gpu throtteling! In the Control Center installation folder (folder is called "hotkey") there is the file "NVGPU_DLL.dll". I just renamed it to NVGPU_DLL.dlldisabled so the dll doesn't work anymore and since then no throtteling is happening! I think that the Control Center doesn't have any control over GPU clocks without this dll so it fixes the issue. I don't know if other functions of the Control Center also stop working without that file but until now everything seems fine. I have no answer form my reseller yet on the issue. I just tried a few things, didn't really think this would work myself but i'm glad it did!

Update - getting high GPU temps, not sure if it is a result of what i did or not

Update 2 - fixed the problem by using obsidian's fan control. Without nvgpudll.dll the control center does not increase fan speed when the GPU heats up, but obsidian's fan control does. So I can leave control center installed to control keyboard lights and function keys for dimming and disabling the led Backlight and fan control from obsidian keeps the fans running.

 

Hey Houzo,

thanks for sharing your experience!

So you bought the Fan control Software from here ? https://code.obsidian-pc.com/clevo-software/

Is it possible to let the fan go 0% when in a certain temp range?

I got my new ram and it runs @ 2666, so the missing jedec was the problem. Even my resuppliers technician didnt know that

Now im getting around 940 points and above 100 fps depoending on my gpu clock.

Since i dont have any of your problems and i´m using the same CC version i think your bios may be a problem. What version do you have of EC and Bios?

 

Yes you can set 0% fan speed with the Obsidian fan control tool.

But it may be better to set a low inaudible speed to keep the temp constant. (I find yoyoing up and down fan speeds more annoying than constant very low)

 

I have an i5 8400 and delided it, used Xtu to undervolt (cpu @-170 uhd630@-130) heavily and normaly i use energy save mode with max clock @ 2700mhz. This results in deksktop mode the fan is usually of but the burst from activation is way too high. In CC i have set from 45 to 65 degrees and max 50%. Normally i would try sth like on 60 degrees it should be around 10% and on 70 30% (depending on the noise). I also thought about using throttlestop to underclock even more (if thats possible) but it doesnt like to be used with xtu

Some posts ago someone mentioned CC is using its own xtu but not to undervolt ? Does it regulate short burst max ?
I didnt understand why this could even influence the gpu clock since xtu is for intel processors. I´m using silence mode and afterburner @800mv and 1759mhz clock and 300 mhz ram boost. Stable and ultra quiet.

Another thing that bugs me with my Clevo is windows is showing only USB 3.0 ports and not 3.1 in device manager. I got the latest chipset driver for Z370 from intel, should i use the clevo ones?

 

XTU will be referring to the igp if talking about graphics.

 

Yes, that's where i bought the software and it runs fine, more options than in control center.

My BIOS is version 2.18.1263.
What is EC and where can i check the version?

Is there any source for bios updates? can't find them on the clevo site...

 

That's likely the BIOS setup utility version. Your BIOS & EC versions will look something like: 1.05.xx Enter the setup (hold F2 at boot or restart) and the BIOS & EC are listed under 'Main'.

Updates should come from your seller, but are not usually published online. You'll have to request them.

 

@Meaker Yes i know that but houzo has problems with his nvidia clock so i dont see a connection here.

@Houzo I found a site where you can get bios updates ( https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/N9xTP6/), even though i would suggest contacting your reseller i dont think that there is a difference. You could also use the Apex 15 bios updates since it is the same mobo. I can also provide you the Bios i got from my reseller (barebone-notebooks.com), the versions are the same (EC10707 and B10710). I had some problems with updating bios because i read a wrong post and i flashed the one from the Apex 15 and after the one from my reseller. The only difference i could see was the bootup screen which was showing XMG instead of Stylenote. In the end i got it working without any problems. Maybe the EC of XMG has a less agressive fan curve but i cant think of more changes, why would they risk breaking things.

The EC is for controlling a lot of low level functions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_controller.
Always update the EC first and then the Bios itself, you can read on page 35 how i did it (just flash the EC before).
If you need any help just ask and i explain further.

Funny thing about the ram is that it has chiplets on both sides even though it should be single ranked, maybe there are other indicators?

 

XTU wont be reporting issues with his nvidia gpu.

 

Does anybody know if the new generation cpus like i5-9400 will be running on this? What about a future i9-9900 (non-k)? As far as I know it should meet the 65W TDP requirement.
Cheers
Paul

 

So as it turns out I only have problems with Nvidia clock in the Witcher 3. Everything else runs fine. Benchmarks, other games, no problem. Witcher 3 with control center: clock drops to 1110 mhz after a few minutes. I reinstalled the game, same problem. Without control center, no problem at all. Strange. I don't know what causes this. But since everything else runs fine I'm not so concerned anymore.

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i think i got also low clock problems with mine. Was looking other gtx 1060 laptop benchmarks and almost every one of them were at 1860 or 1900 then i realised mine can go up max 1820.

 

Did you try overclocking? Are you sure that the Benchmarks you looked at didn't overclock?
What was the Benchmark you did? I'll run it too and see what my clock speed will be.
Are you running Clevo Control Center in performance mode? Set the Nvidia Driver to prefer maximum performance?

 

What benchmarks specifically? There are also some small variations chip to chip.

 

Clevo website updated:

N950TD https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1144&lang=en

N957TD https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1145&lang=en

N960TD https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1146&lang=en

N970TD https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1147&lang=en

 

thanks for sharing these links

 

they were actually game benchmarks. Like rainbow six and tomb raider. I was able to reach at between 1950 and 1911's with overclock core clock via afterburner by increasing +95. But what i don't really understand is the temperature. Anyone has tried Apex legends yet? At max settings 4gb textures selected my gpu goes like 91 degrees.

Edit: Forgot to mention i have already repasted both cpu and gpu with ic diamond.

 

At what voltage did you set the overclock? Since you have a Pascal gpu you should only be able to raise the clock in the curve editor (ctrl + f when Afterburner is in foreground).

What Houzo pointed out is a different problem an not related to yours. I would even say you have no problem since the clocks are fine for a normal setup. Not all chips can get that high, with mine i didnt even try to go over 1900 because the power consumption raises drastically and the fans go nuts.

@Houzo I also bought the fan control software and i ran into the same 12xx mhz bug you described The funny thing is that it still performs too good to be on such a low clock and shows 0,65v in gpu-z. Disabling that dll made the clocks look real again and when i change my undervolt profiles it also shows 0,8v like i made the profile but the clock is stuck at a certain value.

Can you tell me which version of CC you were using since i experienced a lot of bsods lately (when having fan control and CC active at the same time or when using CC and led keyboard) and im not sure where the problem is. One was the newest nvidia driver..

When using led keyboard the transitions look very slow and stuttered like if the ec functionality is being emulated an not compatible. I think this is leading to some i/o blocking that is causing crashes. Anyone having some more experience with this here ?

 

Didn't repaste GPU but I don't get over 70 degrees GPU temp in Apex. Settings all max, 6gb texture streaming budget. 60-70fps, around 1950mhz with overclock.
I use fan control by obsidian and set a custom fan profile. Without that my temps are higher but never go above 78 degrees. Maybe your repasting didn't go so well? Too much paste maybe?

Have you selected performance mode in clevo control center?

Also, with clevo control center the fans don't go above 80%. You can force them to max speed with fn+1 but using a third party fan control is more comfortable. It reduced my temps to 70 degrees with acceptable noise with my custom settings because the fans will use over 80%.

You could test if you still get 90 degrees when using fn+1

 

I certainly am able to overclock without using the curve. I have +140mhz core clock and +120mhz memory clock running stable at 70 degrees max. It starts at 2025mhz below 50 degrees and drops to 1935 at 70 degrees. Without the overclock it peaks at 1798mhz at 70 degrees so afterburner works without using curve editor for me.

When I have the GPU clock bug in the Witcher 3, fps drop from 50-60 to 30-40 so I certainly have a big performance loss.
I'm using latest cc that you can find on the clevo driver homepage.

I also had some bluescreens but I think it was related to unstable overclocking and I also have the feeling that the system runs more stable when nvgpu dll is enabled.
I just disable it manually when playing the Witcher since that's the only game that causes the clock issue for me. For everything else I have it enabled.
With what program/game did you experience the clock bug?

 

I tried a couple of games and benchmarks, every time the same. I can even see it happening on the fly when running CC only and starting a 3D stresstest. As soon as i start up the fan control the clock gets bugged after a few secs and stays there until restart.

As far as i remember i could still control the gpu fan even though CC and fancontrol were running. I only needed to disable the dll because of the clock bug. But i will test this again to confirm.

Hmm seems like a new feature, when i started using afterburner with my 1080ti i could only use the curve (at least thats what i remember).

I really wonder at what gpu fan percentage you run at clocking so high. With my setting im hitting 70 too but the fan is usually around 30-40% on load. But i usually play in energy save mode so only 2.7ghz max on cpu

 

Strange, I only have clock issues with the enabled dll in The Witcher 3.
My fan runs at 85-90% and I'm in performance mode. I don't mind the fans being a little louder since I play with my headset on most of the time.
It is not louder than my girlfriend's dell G3 with 1050.
If you're using only 40% that'd probably be too loud for you
But 70 degrees at 40% fans under load is pretty impressive.
I set up a custom silent fan profile for when I'm just surfing the web and doing light stuff where the fans are practically not noticeable. But when gaming or something other demanding stuff I prefer as much performance as I can get.

My CPU is mostly @ 3,8 GHz under load.
Does you GPU work with 99-100% load under energy save mode? The Nvidia driver sometimes caps fps at 30 in energy save mode and the GPU does not max out to reach that.

 

I think its full on all the time, for me it was the same until i realized it never goes below since i didnt have a power plan.

To clarify with energy mode i mean power save mode of the cpu not some setting inside CC. But when i used the CC i always used the silent preset, whatever this does.

It is possible to not let the Cpu use its boost and clock down to around 800mhz, for most modern games this is enough. Hl2 engine is lagging alot though and needs always full on You have to make a "energy save" power profile and set the maximum processor speed to 99%



I also highly recommend deliding your cpu, this made things alot quieter for me. Since i think you are living in germany i could help you out on that (still have the delid mate 2).

Yes it does. Games that are gpu intensive usually run on the same fps than before (e.g. Re 2 Remake). You can even run older crysis titles without any problem. Its really hard to find games that really use all of you cpu power.

I didnt face this issue ever. I can even run botw in cemu with energy save mode at around 40 fps but thats more limited on the graphics clock. Hl2 engine runs worse because idk valve oO Source 2 should be fine but since there is no fps you can play with it there is no way to tell

I think you dont really need that if you delid and use energy save mode. Heres a shot of my settings, the cpu one is too agressive and the gpu a bit too silent for 99% load but its showing how low you can go with fan speeds.


I would really like to replace the fans since they seem not to be optimized and make a whistling noise beginning around 30% fan speed.
The Asus laptop i had before just had 1 fan for 1050ti and 7300hq but the fan didnt have such an annoying sound.

Anyone ever done this? And i want to repaste the gpu but havent started opening the whole thing. Is there a guide or video for this?

 

i cant see any of these only core clock and mem clock are manageable on my afterburner. Now ill try curve that you are saying.

Since that im not able to buy that fan software im going to try rlecviewer again.It gave me bsods before but i dont know maybe this time. I also wanted to uninstall CC and use that obsidian keyboard led soft with rlecviewer but keyboard leds didnt worked.And maybe you are right i might be repasted wrong or too much.

Yep there it is: Rlecviewer works fine but obsidian keyboard led software without CC wont work.Leds are not even enabled.

 

Hi! I was wondering if any of you are using the obsidian updater. Does it work with N950TP6, because I don't find it as a model in the drop down menu. For the fan cantrol app you don't need the model. And if you are using it do I have to uninstall the Controll Center that I have from XMG or can I leave it installed and not let it start on startup?

 

Hi, maybe you can find more info here or try the live chat. I think its just an extra piece of software which does not influence the CC controls.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-drivers-update-utility-by-obsidian-pc.801464/

 

Yep, thanks found what I needed!
Another thing, where can I download the Clevo Control Center, because from the Clevo Website I can not download anything from USA or EU links, I can only use the Asia link. Or if any of you have it some where uploaded (I am talking the 5.0001.1.97 version), I would love to download it or have it sent via email.

 

https://workupload.com/file/rdYMNwYG
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Good news everyone! XMG released new bios update so our devices support i5 9400 CPU now.

Also here is a short gameplay test from The Division 2 Open Beta. As you can see my temperatures all messed up. I think i must repaste again.

 

Anyone ever tried to get linux working ? I tried steamos and ubuntu but none of them work out of the box. Steamos is giving me and oops on the login and ubuntu keeps crashing after login (Watchdog error on cpu#2 for 22s is shown in terminal, this repeats and it doesnt register input any more). I tried installing in uefi mode and have 10 07 10 bios installed.

 

What versions are you installing?

 

I´ve tried ubuntu 18.4 and 18.10, steamos (idk newest from their site), and the newest Archlinux (didnt find a working download yet for manjaro)

What i noticed when installing all versions there seems to be a problem with the acpi, i often got an error like this in console and quickly after that the system became unresponsive. In this paricular case i tried to power off from archlinux install. But i was getting the same or similar error in an installed ubuntu login screen. What also bothered me is that the steamos and ubuntu installer could not power off after succesfull install and i had to manually power off.

 

you might want to look at this page someone installed linux and shared all files within

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuggestALa...evo_n950tp6_or_n957tp6_does_anybody_have_any/

 

Is it only update to support i5 9400 and are there any other major changes? Should I update it if im not considering changing my CPU?

 

Usually not unless you have an issue.