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    *** Official Clevo N130BU / Sager NP3130 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by idahosurge, May 5, 2017.

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    I opted for the 960 EVO, but the 850 would be fine if you're concerned about cost.
     
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    It idles at 40-45C when plugged into the wall with with win10 balanced mode on.

    It gets there from 70-75 stress temperature in about 5-8 minutes, so passive colling really works fine here.
     
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    What do you think aoub tilleroftheearth's message below, concerning 250 (GB) M.2. I wonder if the 960 comes in 2.5". I'll have to check. ( : I like those R/W speeds, on the 960 EVO.

    There are no 250GB SSD's worth buying right now. Particularly M.2 format versions which run hot, throttle (themselves and other components) and are generally inferior in real world use vs. their 2.5" counterparts (depending on your actual workloads, of course)...

    Either look for a 1TB 2.5" version like an EVO 850 or better or keep saving until you can.

    250GB SSD's right now are dirt cheap, for a reason (slow, stuttery, ~232GB actual capacity, ~156GB with 33% OP). Avoid them at all costs if you want to keep your new system (and have it usable) for more than the next 18 months or so.

    Either way; buy the cheapest HDD you can with the system (if you need to specify a drive at all) and then replace it with a much cheaper version you can buy yourself.

    Clean install the O/S on your new SSD (don't worry; Windows 10 will automatically activate itself when you're online...) and install the required drivers for your system. If you include the 33% OP'ing as mentioned above, you will have the fastest and most stable system possible to enjoy for many years to come.

    Good luck.

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    tilleroftheearth is knowledgeable, but he generally considers anything below the highest end as not worthy of buying. I've been using mSATA 128 GB 840 EVOs for a long time, without any over-provisioning, and they've lasted just fine. As long as you're judicious about not filling your storage to the very brim (leave ~ 20 – 30% free space to reduce write amplification), for the general user who doesn't demand 1 GB/s speeds all the time, a typical run-of-the-mill SSD is perfectly fine, so long as he/she doesn't buy it for a price that's obviously too good to be true. Get whichever M.2 SSD you like; if it runs too hot, simply slap on a heatspreader and be done.

    Furthermore, given that he's such a tech geek, I'm surprised he doesn't know that 250 GB = 233 GiB.
     
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    Wow, that seems like a great tip concerning the heat spreader. I was thinking about getting the Intel SSD 600p Series (512GB, M.2 2280 80mm NVMe PCIe 3.0 x4, 3D1, TLC). It is about 3 times faster, than the fastest Sata III SSD drives, and 1/2 the speed of the 960 pro. It is also about half the price, of the pro. That seems like a good compromise, to me. Additionally, it would be cool if the machine is equipped with some fast memory. But, getting the right type is unknown. Somebody made a post in here saying that they got some ballistic 32 GB worth of memory. I suspect that 8 GB would be plenty of memory. It is desired that this machine be purposed, for multimedia and business. And, also some light gaming, from GOG, would be cool. And, put Windoze 10 home in there. Tell me something. Is that 660p overkill, for a multimedia and word processor machine. Fast things are nice, but being wise is smart. If SATA is put in there, it would probably be better to get 2.5", due to the heat dissipation properties. Thank you tilleroftheearth, for the heads up on that. As a side thought, I wonder the price-range of the enterprise stuff, but I digress. : P
     
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    Man, I saw the R/W speeds, on the 960 EVO. I can't justify paying $70 less, for half the read speed. I mean the Intel 600P. Tell me something, i does the EVO feel way more responsive than the typical fast SATA SD. Like, when an application is clicked on, does it load WAY faster, and can it be noticed.
     
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    The difference is a lot less compared to HDD vs SSD.
     
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    Cool, thanks for the heads up.
     
    rolling thunder, Jun 5, 2017
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    Do any of you all know how many channels the memory on this motherboard can run, perhaps, 1,2, or even 4.
     
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    2, all the core i series on mobile and mainstream desktop run 2.

    Only the X series chipsets can have more.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 6, 2017
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    Mystery solved, thanks!
     
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    The only thing to watch out for is larger machines (that have the PCB space) can have 4 slots, still 2 channels but 2 dimms per channel (which just means you can have more ram but it's pretty much the same speed).
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    sicily428, Jun 10, 2017
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    That's funny. The keyboard selection, for the N131BU doesn't have English. If the N130BU and the N131BU are compared, they have the same processors, but they have different displays. The N130BU has a higher resolution, at 3k, than the N131BU, at 1080p. And the prices, at barebones configuration, vwith the I7 processor are almost identical. The N130BU,

    http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30520

    ,is $814.00, and the N131BU is $756.96. The main differences are a higher resolution display, at 3k with the N130BU and 1080p with the N131BU, and there is no English Keyboard layout, for the N131BU. Overall, I think that the N131BU is better, because of the Higher graphics capabilities. I can work with the the Non-English Keyboard layout, but, that may be an annoyance, to others.

    Thanks for finding this, sicily428!
     
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    Inphtech does have good prices. It is only $512.00, for the Barebones with the top processor. The only drawback compared to the N130BU is the display. The N130BU has 3k, and the N131BU has 1080P, and both keyboards seem to be in English. I don't know what the shipping cost/Taxes would be to import the N131BU into the states. It may not be worth it, after those markups.

    Thanks for the post, Movingman!
     
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    @rolling thunder

    That's not wright, the N131BU has almost all the kb languages available, you Just have to ask the reseller to order the one you need.
    And i'm almost sure it's the same with the display, but have more than 1080p on a 13,3" screen...

    But yeah, importing to the states wouldn't be viable, only inside Europe.
     
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    Hi all! I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Clevo N130BU tomorrow but I have some questions.
    1. Does the machine support charging through the USB C/Thunderbolt 3 port?
    2. One of the reviews says that it has a SIM slot (which it looks like it does), but it's not included in the tech specs anywhere. Is the slot actually functional?
    Thanks!
     
    Harrison Gregg, Jun 13, 2017
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    1. No, it relies on the included brick.

    2. The SIM slot is a factory option from Clevo and will depend on the reseller. If it's not listed it's likely not included by them. Most US machines like ours do not fit it due to lack of demand.
     
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    Any chance you can point me in the right direction for figuring out how I could use the SIM slot? I saw somewhere I might need to find a WLAN/WWAN combo card to replace the current WLAN card, but looking around I couldn't find much information about that.
     
    Harrison Gregg, Jun 13, 2017
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    You Just have to buy a m.2 3G/4g modem card and plug it there. The N130 has everything ready. The wlan is a different m.2 port, no need to replace it.
     
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    Assuming the sim slot is populated with the connector yes.
     
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    Harrison Gregg, Jun 14, 2017
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    Yes, assuming it's all wired in.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 15, 2017
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    I opened mine up today, and it looks like the pins are there, but unfortunately the M.2 slot itself and the actual SIM slot were left out. It's just a hole blocked off by rubber. Thanks for your help though!
     
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    A good guide is if you reseller offers it as an option, if not then it's like the models they get from the factory have not gone for that option.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 16, 2017
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    Where did you buy it ? really surpised because the connector is IMO always there
     
    freechelmi, Jun 20, 2017
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    It's a common part to be a factory option.
     
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    there is actually no difference between n130bu vs n131u barebones when they come from factory, except for the outer case color. both can be configured from factory with same LCD, same keyboard options etc
     
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    Does anybody know if the N130BU is affected by the intel Kabylake/Skylake Hyperthreading bug and if Clevo has released an updated BIOS with microcode fix?
     
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    Not sure to be honest.
    But if it is i am sure a BIOS update will soon fix it.
     
    John@OBSIDIAN-PC, Jun 26, 2017
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    Bear in mind its a very specific bug that most people wont hit, there should be a windows patch to load the micro code update at boot and then BIOS updates will roll in.
     
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    Microcode is updated as a linux module through distro updates. Already fixed in Ubuntu as I heard
     
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    Yes the latest linux builds already have it sorted.
     
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    I ordered it from R&J Technologies. I didn't even realize there was a SIM card slot when I ordered it or I would have asked about it first.
     
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    A reseller is unlikely to mention it if it was not chosen as a factory option.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 29, 2017
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    Ok, thx! I was under the impression that Kabylake was only fixable with BIOS update (which I found hard to believe nevertheless). Good to hear it's covered.
     
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    A BIOS fix would just mean it would be OS agnostic in terms of the fix.
     
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    Just tested a Huawei M.2 card and it's recognized on mine, so maybe you don't even have the 3G daughter card but I'm surprised
     
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    About the BIOS/EC , I currently have 1.05.04/1.05.02 , it seems a Bios 1.05.05 is available but can find it.

    Anyway the Fan behaviour is like often seen with clevo products unacceptable.

    When you cross 47 degres , It goes from 0 to Full speed, which is horrible. IMO full speed should be needed only above 60 degres.

    Do you observe the same behaviour ?
     
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    Please contact your re-seller, latest bios is 1.05.05 and the new EC ( 04 ) will change the fan behavior!
    Anything bellow EC 04 is just impossible to use, fans are just super loud and always on at fast speed.
     
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    As they are a company representative you would hope they had access to the BIOS files...
     
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    Oh... I didn't even noticed that.
    Maybe they just re-sell from a bigger supplier and so they don't buy from CLEVO. In that case ask you supplier for it.
     
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    Thanks john , Yes We are just a reseller like may others, not a Clevo client.

    I really wish we become Clevo client soon because finding Bios is really a pain
     
    freechelmi, Jul 3, 2017
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    It´s the same when you´re a CLEVO client.
    You have to ask them for it like daily... it´s troublesome, trust me...
     
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    Yes but I can see you have access to Bios source code to publish your own bios so maybe you don't have to wait for Clevo ?
     
    freechelmi, Jul 3, 2017
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    Meaker@Sager, can I ask a few questions about this laptop/ultrabook?
     
    Zeke777, Jul 3, 2017
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    Fire away :) May as well put them here.
     
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    Is the display 60 hz? Also, is the TB3 a x4 PCI-E or x2? Thinking of egpu-ing this thing...
     
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    Display is 60hz.
    If there´s TB or not depends on your re-seller, CLEVO sells TB3 as optional.
    To be honest i dont know what type, we still dont have TB3 units in stock.
     
    John@OBSIDIAN-PC, Jul 5, 2017
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