HTWingNut's Sager NP6110 / Clevo W110ER First Look & Review

Just buy a tube yourself and repaste. Takes 10 minutes, literally. All you need is the IC Diamond, 90% or greater isopropyl alcohol, paper towel, lint free q-tips if you really want to do a detailed job cleaning.

 

+1 for a very thorough review.

My fears about the heat and power consumption eventually turned out to be true however those idle temps are a little too heavy for my liking I currently sit at 34oC idle on my AW and do not see above 70oC at all + the battery would be no good for me either when I can get a solid 6 hours browsing and 2.5-3 at a push when intensive gaming. I am glad I made the right choice and didn't wait however having a quad core with double the Graphical performance both dedicated and integrated with a cooling system that small and effective is intriguing.

There is still no sign of this Clevo or Sager in the UK so I didn't really have much choice, this thing with a ULV and a backlit keyboard would certainly change my mind and go hand in hand with my 170 but I still believe this should have come with the 640M GT instead however with the performance output the kepler GPU gives which makes a mockery of the 5 series I probably will be buying the R2 version of this pray it arrive.

 

It's not the GPU that's the problem, it's the CPU. And it idles at 60C only because the fan never runs. GPU is always less than 80C even when CPU is at 90C. And even with the CPU hot, you don't feel it anywhere except at the exhaust. The keyboard and bottom are completely lukewarm if that.

In any case, looking forward to the Ivy Bridge dual cores to see what they can bring to the table.

In any case, just ran through some Diablo 3 Settings High, 1366x768, 80-100fps no problem. Didn't think there would be, but no worries whatsoever. Temps while playing were 76C CPU, 70C GPU.

 

I see the bit in your review about the paste now. That seems like a good idea--repped you. I've got too many tubes of the "good stuff" stored away. Now leaning towards picking up a barebones i7 unit for $920 shipped...

 

Thanks so much! Wondering if you could run at 1080p as well? If there is a view distance setting in the demo - could you specify what it's at?

thanks very much... I really appreciate the info!

 

u think 70% alcohol would be good, thats all i ahve with me right now

 

70% will be fine, just higher % means less residue. I can find alcohol at 90%+ at my local drug store or grocer store for $1.50.

 

Hey HTWingNut can you do a deeper Diablo 3 review? and turn everything on and high? you know AA, Vsync. I'm a HUGE Diablo fan, being honest the main reason I bought this machine was Diablo 3 lol. GREAT to see those numbers and temps on Diablo 3 can't wait to get mine...

 

HTWingNut:

I'm not sure what Anandtech is doing different but they got a very different Cinebench score then what you reported.

Theirs:

Yours:

They did have the 3720QM chip in but I wouldn't have expected that to have such a large effect upon the scoring. Could Eurocon have done something in the BIOS that disabled the problem you saw with the GT650 and the 3610QM??

 

Yeah, if you turn off dedicated GPU, then I get same scores they do. It's the throttle issue. Not sure if they did something different in that Monster laptop with the BIOS. Their battery life is like 5.5 hours too.

 

$65. I'm ordering the AUO B116XW02 Matte.

B116XW02 V.1 replacement Laptop LCD Screen from $64.99 Brand-new screens (never used).

 

So you're no longer a fan of just a matte screen protector?

 

For $65, I'll take the actual screen. Cheapest I could get previously was $150 from Mythlogic. If I could only find it more than $65-$75, I would have gone with the protector.

 

Very nice find, this will come in very handy for a lot of people down the road. That's an excellent price.

+rep

Edit: I still have to spread some around before I can rep you again...

 

Does this one have better color gamut or brightness? I can't find much description about the screen other than the price in their website.

 

Ah, I'm too cheap for that price(and I find it senseless to have more electronics). Could you recommend a good matte screen protector since the only reputable option that I can find is this thing.

 

Well... I got Amazon.com: 3M Privacy Filter for 11.6 Inch Widescreen Laptop (PF11.6W9): Electronics for the 19.96 price, seeing that it's easy to carry around and use outdoors, while I can leave it off when using it indoors without hassle. I don't want to deal with the air bubbles and all. I am concerned about the brightness, but it looks like other screens (like the one HT recommended) don't have much better max brightness either (230 for the default vs 200 from B116XW02, according to anantech's review)

 

Alright! Just got my Sager NP6110 in the mail yesterday. spent some time getting everything up and running. seems as though i got a different A/C adapter than HT did. Its still 120W but this one has a fan in it. Ill upload some picts later as I have to go to work soon.

Here are my specs, I7 3610qm, 750gb seagate momentus XT, 8gb 1600Mhz RAM, and intel wireless 6235. I have also already applied my IC Diamond thermal paste.

 

Grats on your new laptop!

A fan in the AC adapter? That seems a bit odd, please post some pics!

 

That is odd, if it works, can I have the name? I may want to purchase one in the near future.

 

Yes please post pics and possibly model number and manufacturer. Never heard of a laptop PSU with a fan.

 

I think I have one with a fan too

Here is a picture

Spoiler

 

Egads!
If we could all ask, is there a way you could get a better photo an resize it?

That does look rather interesting though, who did you get your laptop through?
Does it have any sort of filter on it to keep junk from getting in there and messing it up?

 

here are some better picts of it. And it looks like the fan will only turn on if it gets to hot or a certain amount of current is being pulled as my fan has not turned on. And no their is no filter.

 

Can you give us some installation pictures of it when you get it?

Mine is on post yet but I get it next monday 30.4-21.05 Btw, who have installed to this Samsung 830? No problems with it?

 

Hi,

Do you think it would be possible to buy a spare back cover plate for this machine ?

 

Thanks +1. Very interesting. Wonder why they didn't provide the stock Clevo one.

My screen won't be here until Wednesday. And I have a Samsung 830 256GB coming today, as long as I'm home to receive it. I'll have to hang out at home until I do!

I'd like the same. That way I can hack and slash and open it up for better breathing.

 

About PSU's do all SAGER/CLEVO laptops use the same size plug (that goes into the latop)?
And mine is coming in Tuesday with the matte screen installed I'll give you guys my impressions. Should be the same screen??? got it from Mythologic

 

I got mine yesterday and I absolutely love it! The rubber texture on the lid, armrest and mousepad is perfect since it's scratch-, filth- and fingerprint-proof. I haven't been playing any games yet but the temps I get while buffering HD Youtube-videos and surfing are usually at 70 C (about 5% load), maximum 81 C, (often at 60 C the first hour), even after hours of use. The chassis isn't hot at all. I'm about to buy an external cooler pad or something, so far I've only been using a magazine.

The only cons are the very small arrowkeys of the keyboard and the fact that you can see the grid of pixels in the screen if you look closely. Other than that, the screen is all right, even though it's not matte it doesn't really reflect that much.

I bought it from PC-konsulten in Sweden, and here are the specs:

Spoiler

X-128B
1 x X-128B - Chassi & Grundkomponenter 6 390,00 kr
Skärm
1 x Standard, 1366x768, 45% NTSC, blank 0,00 kr
Grafikkort
1 x Nvidia GT 650M 2 GB GDDR3 0,00 kr
Pixelgaranti
1 x Perfekt pixelgaranti 450,00 kr 22
Operativsystem
1 x Ingen 0,00 kr 0
Språk för operativsystem
1 x Svenska 0,00 kr 101
Språk för tangentbord
1 x Svenska 0,00 kr 111
Processor
1 x I7 3610QM | 2,3-3,3 GHz 6 MB, 45 W 1 000,00 kr
RAM
1 x 8 GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 MHz (2x4 GB) 450,00 kr 55
Kylpasta (För lägre temperatur och tystare dator)
1 x IC Diamond 7 100,00 kr 143
Trådlöst nätverk
1 x Intel Centrino Ultimate 6300 350,00 kr 134
Lagring
1 x Intel 520 Series 120 GB SSD 1 600,00 kr

 

R&J Tech should have them. Send them an email.

 

Alright a little update on the power supply reguarding the fan, looks like when the current goes above 100w the fan kicks in and it is actually quite loud.

On another note, Im here at idle and using my P3 Kill a watt im consuming around 30w. have not been able to get it any lower. Is that what everyone else is at?

 

PWNPCS have it in stock and that is based in UK. I'm waiting for the Ivy Bridge dual core first.

 

I'm typically 22-23W on my Killawatt when idling at 33% brightness.

 

I managed to get mine down to 16-17W in Linux after disabling the nVidia card using acpi_call.

Semi-relatedly, I was hoping to download drivers from nVidia directly, but it doesn't look like they've made them for the 650M yet or are just aren't distributing them directly to consumers... I wonder if some kind of driver issue on the video side is contributing to the overall crazy system power usage.

 

Yes as stated above, PWNPCs have them in stock, currently low but a new stock is coming up (soon I think) they should be slightly cheaper equipped with more options as I'm aware

 

Would be nice ! thanks !

 

I don't want to derail the thread - but there was a misunderstanding, so let me make one more reply.

I didn't mean to say that every negative review on RR.com is completely false... I was referring to those few reviews on our store page that the previous poster was talking about.

Yes, and I think the BBB does the best job at preventing false reviews. RR.com, however - has no real safeguard against false reviews... in their terms, they say you need a court order to have a false review removed and most of the time there is no way to know whether or not a review is false unless you pay them. SEE BELOW - and they provide no arbitration, unlike the BBB.

RR.com is a soulless corporation whose primary goal seems to be extorting as much money as possible from companies by exploiting their intellectual property. You should read these complaints, because they are dead on: resellerratings com | Ripoff Report | Complaints Reviews Scams Lawsuits Frauds Reported - up until a couple weeks ago, RR.com had their own store page blocked - so that their customers couldn't review their service... and when I asked why we couldn't leave a review since we were a paying customer for 6 years, they wouldn't reply and then when I said I was going to announce on their forums that they didn't allow their own customers to review them, they blocked my account so I couldn't post.

A couple weeks ago, I checked their page again and it appeared as if they started allowing customers to post reviews because there were two 1 star reviews... but I just checked their page again and look: delete me Reviews - Ratings at ResellerRatings - they have completely removed those two 1 star reviews and blocked their page again.

The BBB, on the other hand, is a non-profit organization whose primary goal seems to be protecting consumers. And although I am aware of the fact that they do not have a perfect track record, I still think they are one of the most credible sources for collecting information on a company's reliability. The BBB not only shows the total number of complaints, but also how many of those complaints were resolved. RR.com, on the other hand - doesn't keep a history of all the 1 star reviews that were either changed or removed, nor do they list whether or not real complaints were ever resolved, nor do they create a level playing field by which all companies can be fairly compared... since companies who pay RR.com have a huge advantage over companies that don't. SEE BLOW

I agree to some extent, however - the BBB is one of the oldest and most well known "consumer protection" organizations in the US and Canada - so if a customer ever has a serious complaint, the BBB will most likely be their first choice - since it's very easy to file a complaint and they will provide free arbitration to try and help the customer resolve their issue... unlike RR.com - who only seems concerned with making as much money as possible. Right before we left their program, they increased their membership rates by 700% in one billing cycle... and the email that announced this huge price change was camouflaged as junk mail, so we almost didn't even notice. The email contained 10 long paragraphs and the price jump from $29 a month to $199 a month wasn't mentioned until the very last paragraph.

Here is the beautiful thing about RR.com... any anonymous person can post on a company's page - but the company has to pay RR.com in order to post public replies on its own page. Also, unless you pay RR.com at least $199 a month (some companies are getting charged much more than that) you cannot see whether or not a review has a valid order number, so you are completely helpless in terms of keeping your page clean from fake reviews left by non-customers. In addition, unless you get lucky and figure out who someone is - you cannot verify whether or not the claims of an actual customer are legitimate because, as I said - you cannot see their order number and thus... cannot look them up.

A perfect BBB record might not be proof - but it is the best evidence I can think of to indicate whether or not a business is trustworthy. As I have said before, the BBB keeps a public record of all complaints, even ones that have been resolved... what other sites do this? RR.com certainly doesn't.

Lastly, RR.com engages in many other shady practices... here are a couple more examples. In their terms, they state that unless a company pays them, they cannot ask customers to leave reviews on their RR.com page... and why is that? Why doesn't RR.com want free traffic? More traffic = more advertising revenue, right? Well maybe it's because they know that unless customers are encouraged to leave reviews, the overwhelming majority of reviews are left by people that want to write something negative... so by prohibiting non-paying companies from soliciting reviews, they are - in effect - ensuring that they have the lowest possible rating - which, in turn - gives companies a huge incentive to join RR.com's merchant program. Note: The large rating that RR.com displays on store pages is a 6 month rating, they bury a store's lifetime rating for some reason. Even with all of the recent nonsense reviews, our overall lifetime rating in 7 years is still 9.4/10. It use to be 9.7/10 before we left their program.

One of RR.com's biggest selling points for their merchant program is their exit survey (which you have to pay for, of course). They say that this is the best tool for offsetting negative reviews, since it helps to generate tons of reviews and they say that 95% of the reviews left through their survey are positive.

And one last example of how RR.com stacks the deck against non-paying companies... is by putting red warning signs on their pages - with a message that implies they don't resolve customer complaints. Little do people know, you have to actually pay RR.com in order to resolve complaints on their site, unlike the BBB.

 

This is NOT the place nor the way to do that, you should create a thread for that. You are hijacking this thread with something that has nothing to do with a review...

 

Notebook Retailers aren't allowed to create threads, but a mod can if they wish.

 

Surely you can make a thread. You just can't make a forum or subforum.

P.S. My notebook is finally in "Hardware Build". /pretty excited

 

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This is correct.

I'm ok if you guys say your piece here. I think any customer needs to check out all available resources before choosing a vendor and BBB and RR are both great resources. Of course if there's a contradiction between the two then users need to investigate further or look elsewhere.

 

HT, when you get your matte screen can you do a video on how to install it? I'm thinking about getting a new one sometime but I don't want to mess anything up...

 

I sure will try. Likely install it first then back it out then do a quick install run. I'm sure once you figure it out should really only take less than 10 minutes.

 

Anyone tried OC'ing your GPU yet? I'm wondering what the most viable Core/Mem/Shad will be for this model.

 

Yes, this machine supports SATA III

 

Yeah I quicky tried with MSI afterburner. I was easily able to pump out another 100Mhz out of the RAM but the GPU even though im able to add frequency to it and it shows on GPUz the clock speeds never exceeded the max boost of 950Mhz. Ill probably try some more tonight, maybe with a different program.

Update: so I was still unable to increase the GPU frequency. I tried EVGA preciesion X and MSI afterburner and even though i move the slider and GPUz shows the core and boost increase the sensor still shows the same 950Mhz. I was however able to get an addition 180Mhz out of the memory completely stable.

 

Any spikes or slow down when gaming?
So you can only OC it to the turbo limit of the GPU? can anyone else try it.

 

The max Turbo Table has to be changed via vBIOS mod...its on our ToDo list...

 

Working on it... today's been quite busy otherwise...