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    HTWingNut's Sager NP6110 / Clevo W110ER First Look & Review

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, May 3, 2012.

  1. Rauch

    Rauch Notebook Consultant

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    Will do! Just give me some time to get things together because a lot of the applications/games I don't have at this very moment, so I will need to download and purchase them if funds allow.
     
  2. HTWingNut

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    You should be able to do most of these for free. Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, and Crysis 2 require purchase. The rest should/can be found for free in a benchmark or demo version.
     
  3. Alex555

    Alex555 Notebook Consultant

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    you can dowload a demo version of Just Cause 2 on steam, but it has no integrated benchmark option!
    Also a Metro 2033 demo is available!
     
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  5. HTWingNut

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    I know you can use Crysis 1 Demo for benchmark but not sure about Crysis 2.
     
  6. HTWingNut

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    Here's BF3 temps propped up...

    [​IMG]

    Huge difference.
     
  7. Syberia

    Syberia Notebook Deity

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    An extended battery that also propped up the back of the laptop would be a huge bonus - had one for my old HP, but they don't seem to make them anymore for anything.
     
  8. Rauch

    Rauch Notebook Consultant

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    Alright, great!

    Will give Metro a shot!

    Awesome, thanks!
     
  9. HTWingNut

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    HP offers it, have one on my DV6z.

    It would be nice to have on this laptop too. A 9-cell for this little guy would be awesome, plus offer the cooling advantage.
     
  10. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    I totally agree. I will forward this request and see if maybe there can another longer life battery solution, like a 9-cell...in the near future. :)

    _
     
  11. HTWingNut

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    Thanks Larry! Would be a nice addition. :)
     
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    Near future, yes! My god, please man would love this ;)
     
  13. WCFire

    WCFire Notebook Evangelist

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    [​IMG]
     
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    Pommie Notebook Deity

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    Have any owners hooked up an external HD monitor yet? Would be interested in seeing how it performs at these higher res's over HDMI.
     
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    Aedelric Notebook Guru

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    I decided to change my decision and went a little bigger with P150EM.There is absolutely nothing wrong about this one though.I have been toying around with my old 15.6" which is 720p,when I went over to my Clevo reseller and saw FullHD actually for the first time I was like :O.My eyes will thank me for this :)

    Anyway I still wanted to go with Kepler and picked up the 660M DDR5.I will try to compare as soon as I get hold of it :)
     
  16. HTWingNut

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    Hey guys,

    Just finished catching up on this whole thread -- that took a while =).

    I'm considering picking up one of these myself, just debating the merits of the Sager NP6110 version (e.g from xoticpc etc), or picking up the MythLogic Chaos 1212 version.

    I couldn't see any opinions in the thread on that subject -- really to me it seems to boil down to a question of support quality, any thoughts on ML vs Sager's support?

    Thanks!
     
  18. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I never got to deal with Sager, because they couldn't get me the part that I had requested...

    Mythlogic doesn't advertise it much, but they provide all Notebooks with lot of BIOS customizations like updated ME firmware and option Roms for raid etc.
    Their W11 BIOS menue will also have extra options enabled and covered under warranty.
    They are a smaller player, which is really their advantage as you can directly talk to the responsible person in tech, accounts etc.
    They can also get you parts that are not offered on their site directly.
    To sum it up they walk the extra mile to make us happy. :)
     
  19. HTWingNut

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    Mythlogic is a small shop, and they manage all warranty work themselves. I think you'd get more personal service from Mythlogic, and have better luck talking to the human working on your machine. But Sager isn't too bad. When I had to send my NP8170 back to get the motherboard replaced for the SATA issue they had, it was quick and painless.
     
  20. angrygreenfrogs

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    Thanks guys, I'm going to give the ML folks a run here. Planning to order a pretty serious version of this machine:

    -Matte LCD screen
    -16GB RAM (2x8GB 1600Mhz)
    -Intel Core i7-3612QM w/ IC thermal compound
    -480GB Intel 520 SSD
    -Killer WirelessN
    -3Yr support + accidental damage
    -External BDR

    Only other point of doubt I've had after reading through this thread is in processor choice.. it didn't quite seem conclusive about the merits of the 3612QM vs 3610QM. I've gathered there's a chance the 3612 is better battery-wise due to the purported lesser power consumption, but it didn't sound 100%?? And also there's the discussion about the processor throttling on the 3612?

    HT, did you ever come out to a conclusion on those subjects?
     
  21. jaug1337

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    ML is smaller faster, XoticPC is great too, a matter of choice and preferential looks. I mean check the things they offer, cheaper shipping? PM them both, who offers the best customization and price?

    Good luck :)
     
  22. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    It looks like the whole W series disables the turbo on all cpus once the dgpu kicks in...this may in future be changed either by Clevo or by US. ;)
     
  23. plancy

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    Will you port it to the W150ERQ? :)
     
  24. angrygreenfrogs

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    Thanks jaug, in the end ML offers better customization than xoticpc, for sure.

    ML has at least these extra options that you can't find on xotic:
    -matte instead of glossy lcd
    -6 instead of 2 processor choices
    -5 instead of 2 memory choices
    -heaps more HDs
    -killer wireless N
    -option for accidental damage warranty

    That said, I tried to do a straight-up price comparison on an closely spec'd system at both sites, and ML is certainly a little more pricey in the end, however I get the impression the ML build quality is better and I think it's worth it.

    Here's some numbers for those are also playing the comparison shopping game as I am =). I tried to get the system as closely spec'd as possible on both sites.

    Base-line system on ML vs xoticPC:
    -Glossy screen
    -Intel i5-2450M, 2.5Ghz + IC compound
    -8GB RAM
    -500GB SATA HDD
    -Built-in Wireless
    -1Yr warranty
    -No software

    MythLogic: $969.06USD (no cash price quoted on site, unsure if they do that)
    XoticPC: $844.00USD ($818.68 cash price)

    Higher-end system on ML vs xoticPC:
    -Glossy screen
    -Intel i7-3610QM 2.3GHz + IC compound
    -16GB RAM (2x8GB 1600Mhz)
    -480GB Intel 520 SSD
    -Intel® Advanced-N 6235 Wireless+Bluetooth
    -3Yr warranty
    -No software

    MythLogic: $2255.02USD
    XoticPC: $2053.01USD ($1991.42 cash price)

    The only question remaining for me really is still about the processor! Anyone have a compelling answer in regards to the 3610QM vs 3612QM ?
     
  25. HeavenCry

    HeavenCry Notebook Virtuoso

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    I returned my W110ER in the end. I got a good deal on a W150ER barebone now which i intend to build with the remaining components from the P150HM (money saved :p).
    So if anyone wants some benches/temps or any other info on that model let me know. I should have it in 2 days ;).
    I can do a complete review if there is enough interest.
     
  26. WCFire

    WCFire Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey WCFire,

    Yep, definitely saw that =).

    In fact, I went to Malibal and quoted a similar system myself:
    Matte LCD
    16GB RAM (2x8GB 1600Mhz)
    Intel i7-3610QM + IC Thermal
    512GB Crucial® (M4) SATA III 6Gb/s SSD2 Drive
    Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1103 802.11A/B/G/N LAN Card
    3yr Warranty
    No software
    $1,998.00 USD

    Arguably the best price for that configuration I've seen so far. Especially with the Matte LCD, which was a $175 add-on.

    However, I read up more about Malibal and I was a little iffy on their support reputation. They seem to have an OK rating, but I always like to read through the negative reviews... and it just seemed to me that all the happy reviews were people who never had to use their warranty MALIBAL Reviews - malibal.com Ratings at ResellerRatings ... there were quite a few not happy customers, but ah don't know.
     
  28. WCFire

    WCFire Notebook Evangelist

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    Well it's your call! If you make 5 posts on Malibal's forum, there's an additional $50 off to be had. What you quoted from Malibal also has the bigger SSD. Check out their Better Business Bureau record?

    But I've heard great things about XoticPC and Mythlogic as well. I've especially been a sideline fan of Mythlogic for a while.
     
  29. angrygreenfrogs

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    hah actually I just noticed there's a whole separate recent thread of Malibal drama over here http://forum.notebookreview.com/reseller-feedback-forum/660952-my-review-xotic-malibal.html, so I won't beat the same horse here.

    Anyways, no opinion there.. hoping for the best with the MythLogic guys who seem very good so far.. it's always a tough call going with a small company for that reason... I'm still debating about getting an m11x just because it has big company support, even though it can't hold a candle to the W110ER for performance. I wish Dell had kept the m11x going and put an ivy bridge and new GPU in it!

    BTW, WCFire, I noticed the Intel 520 SSD I included in the Xotic/MythLogic config actually costs about $260 more than the Malibal config Crucial M4 device, so then it's pretty much in the same range as the other guys anyways.

    So guess it all washes out and just have to gut feeling choose who you like best!
     
  30. MALIBAL

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    We've never had a single, legitimate warranty complaint in 8 years with the BBB, so maybe you should do a little more reading and not believe every single claim you hear on the internet, since all of those "negative reviews" on resellerratings.com contain false and/or exaggerated statements, because rr.com allows people to say anything without evidence, unlike the BBB.

    It's real easy to keep your rr.com page clean, all you have to do is throw money at people, because that's all they really want. If a company gets a 1 star review... all they have to do is throw a couple hundred at the person and that 1 star review will magically disappear. You cannot do this on the BBB, however - because throwing money at the customer won't erase their complaint... so if you really want to know who is the best, compare everyone's BBB record. Ours is perfect.
     
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    Back on the main topic --

    CPU-wise, this looks like the official support list:
    CLEVO - Products

    As others have mentioned, for Ivy-bridge, the W110ER specs from Clevo only officially seems to include the 3612QM, although a heck of a lot of resellers are offering the 3610QM (including mythlogic, xoticpc, avadirect, lpc digital).

    The MythLogic guys told me the 3612QM is harder to come by it seems? So that might be the reason when the 3610 seems to be more common at the moment.

    Otherwise all I can see is the difference is exactly what we think.. 200Mhz and 10W less for the 3612:
    Intel® Core? i7-3612QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz) rPGA
    Intel® Core? i7-3610QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz))

    Which may.. or may not.. make much of a real difference! I wish I could find a side-by-side W110ER comparison with each.

    So far about the best I can find is there's the data from HT's review using the 3610, and then the data from the german review here ( Test Schenker XMG A102 (Clevo W110ER) Subnotebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests) using the 3612.

    The german guys got a best battery life time of 4h24m at complete idle, which is not far off from HT's 4h2m low use test, but the germans also didn't have wifi on.. when they turned it on, that test result dropped to 3h43m.

    HT's peak temperatures were 94 for the cpu, and 84 for the gpu. The german guys were around the same range, 96 for the cpu, 93 for the gpu.

    Unfortunately, also, the 2 configs just aren't the same, so it's not really a fair comparison.

    We'll probably just have to wait until someone has both CPUs in the same configuration/environment and does a controlled test. Otherwise, seems to be a bit of a toss up!
     
  32. windsortheater

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    Wow really? Is this every time the gpu is rendering or at some temp threshold? Any data? This is nearly a deal breaker for me.
     
  33. WCFire

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    Will this throttling issue be noticeable in real life usage?
     
  34. jaug1337

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    That is as depended on what you do as it can get.. are you talking about gaming? video encrypting? coding et cetera
     
  35. WCFire

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    My question applies to "anything but benchmarks."
     
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    I wouldn't really why you should have throttle unless you demand something beyond what you've seen it can achieve of the CPU. Basic demands a little gaming here and there with some tweaks should not create any throttle, but don't take it for pure gold, at this ungodly hour.. I might be making mistakes :p

    One thing I can behold you with is that the temps shown are NOT something you will see unless you furmark the c*** out of your GPU and cinebench the living sh** out of your CPU ;)

    I'm off to bed... wait to tired to be helping people :(
     
  37. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Sure, if my time allows me to do that!
    Too bad we are not allowed to place PayPal donation buttons on NBR... :D


    :rolleyes:
     
  38. jaug1337

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    You should make your own website. Seriously.
     
  39. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's a really big stretch to assume that all Reseller Ratings reviews are falsehoods and lies just because it is possible for someone to write an unverified story.

    No single website is going to provide a completely effective defense against malicious users, but it is important for those websites to have measures in place to deal with complaints regarding false reviews.

    Let's also keep in mind that RR is a website whose primary goal is providing reviews about companies by paying customers. The BBB's primary goal is providing an arbitration service for customers in dispute with a company.

    Neither website provides a completely accurate picture either since (1) not all customers are aware of both sites and (2) they are not mandated to provide information to these sites even if they are aware of their purpose. A perfect BBB record is not indicative of a flawless customer service experience, nor is a tarnished record definitive evidence of a company that does not treat its customers well. Same applies to RR. Neither can RR or BBB prove that it does not pander to the interests of the companies mentioned on their sites; even those websites have to taken with some amount of salt.

    Intelligent customers will read the reports from both sites and read the entirety of all negative reports not to tally up the number of complaints, but to evaluate if those complaints show a consistent pattern of negative experiences. I've read all sorts of idiotic NewEgg reviews in the past that I discarded as user error simply because no other negative reviews expressed the same sentiment. I've also looked at products were 10's or 100's of reviews all express the same sorts of complaints (SandForce BSOD's for example) which I would then consider as a whole to be accurate.

    If you have ever filed a report in Reseller Ratings you have to provide not only the text of the review but the order information on which the review is based. Should there be a bad review posted this information gives a reseller a mechanism to claim a false statement was made and cross reference the review with the company's own internal documentation. Never once have I been asked to prove claims on my reviews there, but then again never have I written false statements.

    The BBB also has no mechanism to verify a story during the initial filing either. I've filed several complaints against Dell on there and never once was I required to provide documentation supporting my claims. I could have written all sorts of falsehoods and the claim would have been accepted. That being said part of the BBB process may involve verifying any claims so it is possible, but not guaranteed, that any false reports will be purged.

    Anyway, my point is this -- A perfect BBB record is not indicative of a flawless customer service experience, nor is a tarnished record definitive evidence of a company that does not treat its customers well. Advertising records based on these two sites are just that -- advertising. Not proof.

    If you want to continue discussing your company and its business records I suggest you open a new thread so that we can get back on topic here.
     
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    Very well said.
     
  41. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    @Malibal

    "The tree that people throw stones at is the tree that bears fruit"!
    ;)
     
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    Very well said, Greg ;)
     
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    Still hoping someone with a w110er can run the arma2 :eek:peration arrowhead demo benchmark at 1080p and 720p, maxed settings. I would greatly appreciate it.

    Arma 2 Official Website
     
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    I'll give it a try, as I'm trying to download all my Steam games onto my computer.
     
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    Can't wait! The ability to play DayZ on this laptop will decide if I buy it or not.
     
  46. HTWingNut

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    Sorry, said I would do that. Downloading now.

    EDIT:

    I ran at Low, Normal, High, Very High at 1366x768. I recorded min/max/avg using FRAPS.

    Results:

    Low - Min: 31 / Avg:47 / Max: 64
    Normal - Min: 25 / Avg: 39 / Max: 61
    High - Min: 18 / Avg: 29 / Max: 42
    Very High - Min: 12 / Avg: 18 / Max: 27

    Temps Max - GPU: 68 / CPU: 77
     
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    Aww, beat me!

    Oh well, those are rather.. Not surprising results. Damn it ArmA, why does it take a mega computer to run you on nice settings.
     
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    Damn, was it still playable at 39 fps?

    Also will I be able to shove my Core i7-2820QM (QS) inside of it?
     
  49. HTWingNut

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    For a game like this 39fps is more than playable.

    You can technically put in your i7-2820QM, but I'd advise against it. It's already borderline cooling the 3610QM and the 2820QM will only run hotter. But go for it. Would like to know how well it handles it.

    I also wanted to state that I used this laptop outdoors on a sunny day in the shade and it was plenty bright at 70-80%. *HOWEVER* the glare was atrocious. So I think I will be buying a matte screen protector. I'd rather spend $20 than $200 for a matte screen.
     
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    Really thinking about getting one of these to replace my m11x. What's the verdict on the IC Diamond paste over the stock paste? Will it likely make a difference enough to really warrant the $25 upgrade?
     
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