EVOC P870DM3 Review by Phoenix

it's best to wait for my video. stay tun3d

 

It's a difference between idle vs. load voltage. Run Wprime 1024M-Cinbench R15 or other processor benchmarks and you can see what load voltage you have. (use Hwinfo-Hwmonitor)

 

tl;dr:

Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1365642/fixed-voltage-vs-offset-voltage

 

Thats doesn't explain why it goes to 1.4 even with 50mv offset. Or 1.38 without modifying the voltage. If the cpu has load and I set the speed to let say 4.3 or 4.4 it will jump to 1.4+ even without touching the volts. I will wait for phoenix's video and see.


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I use intel burner, hwmonitor and cpu-z.
I started to believe thay something is wrong cause even undervolt with offset of as high as 600mv doesnt change the voltage.


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You need a - offset to lower the voltage. + anything is going to automatically raise it higher.

 

I know that. It is set to -


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Does not sound like it im afraid.

Open wprime 1024 and set to 8 threads
Open cpuz and move that over as well.
Open up Throttlestop at the same time and have it on the side.
Open the fivr tab and move that over so you can see it and everything else that matters.
Click run on 1024
Now keep lowering the offset to see how low the voltage will go.

Then report back here.

 

Max Temps while encoding a video @ 4.6 GHz:

 

Beautiful temps. What are the fans doing? maxed?

 

Not maxed but average fan profile is automatic

 

I get different reads. throttlestop goes to 1.28, cpu-z and hwmonitor 1.24 omg im getting crazy with this.



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The voltage will never be stable on laptops.

 

Put same voltage offset on cashe also(likevise core). And voltage monitoring is on the main TS window. Run a few stress tests + processor benchmarks.

 

Can someone send me a pict of their current setting throttlestop+cpu-z so I can get a better idea?


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Here you go, just change the multipliers to 42 and the cache offset to -150mV for both the Core/Cache

TPL are the power limits, maximize them like me, it won't hurt, the system will only draw the power it needs

 

in the new Prema BIOS, there is no more Ring voltage, it's now the same as the core voltage, they are linked, just like in XTU

 

You shouldn't be too greedy on voltage if you run after the highest possible numbers You need to feed the beast People is too stingy on voltage. All the talk about undervolting and BGA Its BGA TIMES NOW Terrible, like a horror novel!!

 

Though you are using the 'premamod profile', which is putting more emphasis on keeping it cool.
Can't compare it 1:1 with stock cooling.

 

Prema BIOS FTW

 

UNITY FTW

 

I make the appointment on 1/18, miss Prema Bios very much

 

So far this is where I am at. Offset -60mv


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What is the premamod fan profile?


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@Prema can answer as I don't know

 

Ok.


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Will a prema vbios be released ? N what can I expect in a vbios. New to the laptop world. Lol


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Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

What happened to your great DM3? Disgusted to see BGA junk in your sig bro!

 

Yeah, I'm curious about that too. GT73VR still good models in general, aside from the BGA.

 

He can't deal with the keyboard anymore.

 

But overkill go over to BGA!! Nothing Can defend this move

 

Ummmm.. hehe. More than that I'm upset about other stuff. Lol

 

I was saddened a bit to see this too . But we still Luv ya @Phoenix

 

@Phoenix... my bro.. Ewww!! Now you'll have to shower and scrub 3 times a day to get rid of the...



*Anikon Skywalker has turned...*

 

He's come to the... Quiet Side

Eventually we all do... eschew the noise, it's the long term tiring of hearing the "force 5 gale winds" blocking out all other sounds that eventually gets to you in the end.

 

Nope we all don't Sorry.

But Phoenix is a good man, I'm sure he knows what he's missing out on. Suffice to say he must have really hated that keyboard..
It must have jumped off his desk and molested him

 

You're just not there yet, give it time

A few more years and your ear's will start to ring in concert with the sound of loud fans, and then you will begin to realize the damage being done to your hearing by constant loud droning noises like loud exhaust fans.

I've always protected my hearing in DC's, but I still feel it's physically oppressive effects after being in there for hours at a time even with great protective hearing gear.

I used to be proud of my racks of extremely noisy equipment that the neighbors could hear 4 houses down, but now I just SMH about it.

Like I said, it takes some time to realize it, but once you do it's all over dealing with easily alterable or completely avoidable loud noise exposure.

 

@hmscott Are you older than me? I am +50 and will never choose Apple similar laptops with <passive> cooling Life is too short to have to mingle with utter BGA trash. Have fun when you can. You never know what will happen tomorrow

 

I'm not saying choose Apple, or other passive cooling, I'm saying get something that has some effort put in to keeping it quiet most of the time, and only ramp up fans when needed - and even then to work on the noise profile to reduce it's damaging effects.

You get to the point where no amount of performance benefit will sway you to get something noisy that sits right in front of you forcing you to wear DC protective gear just to use it

I started by moving out all my noisy equipment into another room - sound proofed with it's own (noisy) cooling and ventilation, and run long cables with hardware to boost the signals across rooms - even across buildings.

I want what I am exposed to physically to not be doing damage to me. It's pretty simple, but a point often overlooked when chasing technology for technologies sake.

I don't think it's impossible for Clevo to work up cooling that's noise output is not offensive to the owner and others around it.

 

For what's it's worth I dare say I'm probably older than you too

I did a video of of my fans to put that one to rest though .. watch it and tell me if you think that's loud. This was even before I had it properly sorted on cooling and still OCed at a respectable 4.5Gghz flat on a desk.
Fn + 1 is max fans is what is loud.

 

That's part of the tuning you did, to reduce utilization and performance to lower noise, so that's cool - it's what I would be forced to do too

The point is at those lower performance levels I could get another laptop that had even lower noise levels, maybe I wouldn't even need to detune it - it would just run quieter naturally.

Those DM2/DM3 fans have a turbine whine when they kick in that you have avoided, which is great, but I'd rather not have to detune my laptop performance or usage to do that.

I'd rather the full cooling be ok to allow to kick in and not worry about hearing damage.

Also, for absolute age is probably lower for me, but I started working in DC's before High School, won some math awards and got access for many computer centers in our area, with hands on large and medium compute hardware. So my total years of exposure in loud environments is likely multiple times longer.

A bit rare for the time, but even then I realized I didn't like the "loud places" and gravitated to asking for hardline's run to terminals placed in offices - closed ones with low noise conductivity back to the DC (Computer Room back then).

I switched early from ASR33 / DECwriter's / IBM Hollerith Punch / IBM Selectric's to CRT's to avoid the noise. It came naturally to me, avoiding the hurtful loud and embracing the low noise environments.

 

No performance detuning was required - that's what I said. This is prior to now I wonder if you even watched the video if you're seriously honestly trying to tell me I could have got something quieter with more performance. Even at 4.5Gghz that's already more performance than the competition at the time of the video
And still, did you hear any fans because I'm sensing a little cognitive dissonance?
It's practically inaudible at 4.5Gghz running Project Cars for Pete's sake.

If I'm going to run 5ghz I'd hope that the fans would kick up no matter what machine. There's no value having a unit that can run 5ghz and thermal throttle just to claim it's 'quiet'.

 

Yeah, I noticed the noise, it's not quiet - but in comparison to auto fans or 100% fans you could classify it as "quiet", but in absolute terms I shouldn't hear the fans over / through the game, and I do.

The CPU / GPU utliization are low in that game, like 50%, so that game in particular isn't pushing the system or generating as much heat as a 100% GPU utilization + high CPU utilization would cause - it would be much louder. Just because the clock is high doesn't mean it's loaded and generating heat.

The sound of the game was turned way up, for me that is, I wouldn't run it that loud that close to me sitting there.

I usually play a distance away from large speakers and a projection screen so the sound is dispersing and mixing better into the environment - with sub-woofer presence behind me and in front of me.

That sound blaring from the laptop wouldn't be enjoyable to me, even if it covers up most of the fan noise.

It's only inaudible to you during game play because in comparison to full fans it's quieter, but in absolute noise terms, it's more than just audible. Even through youtube I can feel the presence and gravitas of the laptop cooling system in action.

 

Friend the GPU utilization is at 87% and the CPU is close close to 80% in the threads that it uses where did you get those numbers from?

Did you really watch the video?

Because I started the video with sound on, then muted it because having no baseline of volume on the viewers end is meaningless. If the sound is too sound it means you need to adjust the sound on your end.

I chose Project Cars specifically because it absolutely hammers CPU and GPU and rewards when OCed. Ain't some corridor shooter here.

Anyway, the videos there for all to see.

 

Yes I did watch the video, and I watched the utilization vary and averaged it to get - an average - not a peak reading as you are quoting - which is rarely reached - certainly not sustained enough to load the cooling system to ramp up the fans.

It's not hammering the CPU / GPU in any sense I am used to, I see 99% GPU in SLI and 80%+ CPU in other games using 6700K / 1080, and that's what I would consider a high utilization test to use for high fan usage. Those fans would be singing if the CPU / GPU is getting "hammered".

But, if that's your view of a game that's "hammering" the components, then I guess that set up works well for you.

I'm glad you are happy with it all, and it's running awesome in game

 

I used headphones n heard 0 noise. Why would I use projector n speaker on a laptop. Use a desktop for that. The point of having a laptop is be able to move around.!!


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I used headphones too and I definately heard fan noise. Maybe you've already blown out your ears

It's what you get accustomed to that sets the level for your hearing. Keeping your ears protected is tough, but by keeping my ears protected for most of my life I still have great hearing.

You would use a noisy desktop in the living room or home theater?

The laptop can be with me, a desktop is in a fixed location. A laptop can move with me to any room in the house, or any workspace at work.

Laptop speakers are at best the worst speakers an audiophile would want to listen to, so external speakers are better.

And, an external screen can be more than just a screen on a desk, it can be hung on a wall, a TV in a room, or a projection TV in a room, there are many possible external display devices

Wires are your friend, don't be afraid of wires, they are less prone to interferene and give better audio and video results than wireless solutions, which can work fine too if you want to run tetherless.

A single HDMI cable or Displayport cable carries audio and video, it's not tough to plug and unplug a single cable when moving to another room - I also plug in the ethernet when situated in a room with ethernet available, and turn off wifi.

 

I dunno man. You speak of these ridiculously loud fans and even after being shown a video I get a whole lot of BS objections - GPU isn't being used enough, CPU isn't being used enough despite the fact it's there for all to see.

At this stage you're better off trying to show me video's and evidence to support your hyperbole. I know you've got an axe to grind with socketed machines but don't let it get in the way of reason and evidence

 

I have a 5930k for my tv and server/htpc for the living round. And a bag for my laptop. Laptop speaker? Hel* no. I use headphones. And Idk what kind of desktop you build. Or if you even build them or just buy it. But even my playing and watching 4k on my room's desktop there is not noise. (Custom loop). And if you actually using a the laptop to connect it to the projector/tv (wrong idea I would say) your speakers should be loud enough that you wont heard the lap's fans. This is my first 3k plus laptop I am more a desktop guy. But I do not regret the investment. Game even play at the same performances than my desktop.


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