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    Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. philstopford

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    Showing my ignorance here, but should the XMP profiles be all zeroed in this mod? Memory overview from CPU-Z for the modules (4xCorsair CMSX32GX4M2A2666C18) would seem to indicate XMP is missing in action, but Corsair's information suggests it should indeed be available. I'm uncertain if this is BIOS (1.07.24) related or something else.
     
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    Clevo didn't include a profile for your ram sticks. And I doubt they do indeed support some ram sticks with specific xmp profiles
     
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    Any obvious way to perhaps set up a custom profile for these? I'm not really familiar with this side of things and am merely looking to see what might be doable.
     
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    Highly doubt you can add a profile manually. Need to wait until @dsanke can drop some more info on these bios since he modified them
     
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    There is a custom profile option; I was manually entering values based on what I could see reported in AIDA for the first module. That got me from 2400 to 2533. Not sure yet how to get the rest of the way. Regular searches turned up little in the way of obviously helpful information; Corsair's "Technical Specs" thing is largely worthless from what I could see. I'm surprised. I would have expected this is to be a trivial search of 'give me the memory profile values for 2666 for C18 memory'.

    UPDATE:

    Just in case anyone else finds this useful, AIDA showed me this for the modules at 1333 MHz :

    CL 18
    RCD 19
    RP 19
    RAS 39
    RC 58
    RFC1 467
    RFC2 347
    RFC4 214
    RRDL 8
    RRD5 5
    CCDL 7
    FAW 28

    I couldn't entirely understand the RFC numbers so fudged it to 460 for now. The others were put in their respective places.

    Currently, the memory seems to be working reliably and I've ended up at 2800 based on also adjusting the multiplier for the memory to 10 rather than 9. I expected going from 9 to 10 to add 133 on top of the 2533, so am surprised. Prime95 in its memory test mode is so far solid.
     
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    As an update to this, in case anyone else has issues, I decided to start testing modules in isolation. There are 4 modules, two Samsung, two SK Hynix. Both sets are badged with the identical part number (CMSX32GX4M2A2666C18). By testing sequentially, I found that both SK Hynix parts would not allow the machine to operate. Both Samsung parts tested fine, and operate at 2666 MHz when the SK Hynix parts are not present. Sticking the SK Hynix parts in a Dell laptop based on a 7600U CPU, the SK Hynix memory tests out OK at 2133 MHz.
     
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    The argument being both sets match the spec of that product ID. That's why people say buy closely related sets at the same time if you can.
     
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    I am not certain which modules came with the machine originally; you can't actually tell at a glance because the product stickers cover the modules entirely. However, the machine being unable to POST with either or both of them fitted is disconcerting and I've filed a warranty claim (that they operate in the low performance Dell at sub-2400 is the only other data point I have). I've had trouble with SK Hynix mSATA drives before, so I'm beginning to distrust SK Hynix.
     
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    I've heard the most issues from them too.
     
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    Guys,
    In my 870dm3 I lost blue color on my keyboard :( I have just realized. Is it fixable? May be it is the cable? Red Green fine, but no blue light... thx
     
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    If the LED power cable is seated then only a new keyboard will fix it.
     
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    Thx, I keep it as it is, red color is fine for me :)
     
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    It should not impact the operation of the the rest of the keyboard.
     
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    Please update if you have any luck with the QQLS or QQLT .

    Would love to get one for my P870dmg.
     
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    I wait. I will buy. when I get it, I'll write whether it worked or not. I will first buy a large gigabit motherboard with a Z370 chipset to test this processor. I already bought a 750 watt power supply, a cooler, a heatsink for the processor, ordered a motherboard from spain. when I assemble my computer, I will order this processor QQLS
     
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    Looks like I’m going to have to manually flash a couple of P750dm-g’s.

    Does the P750dm-g need to be disassembled like the P870’s or is the bios chip actually accessible?
     
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    Should be easily accessible - just need to get the keyboard off.
     
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    Thanks! I'll take a looksy under one of their keyboards this afternoon when it arrives. I've partially disassembled numerous P870x models to gain access to the BIOS chip for flashing, so I was somewhat dreading/assuming this would be the same.
     
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    This is what I was seeing. You should probably just check with a service manual. You can see the ribbon cables for the keyboard there on the right of the image (when mentally rotating it).

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-lga1151-laptops.821694/page-21#post-10817393
     
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    That ought not to be a problem. They should be pin compatible, but you can usually dig up the datasheet to check.
     
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    Yep, both Giga chips. I've manually flashed all three units to Dsanke and they're up and running. I will configure them with 8700k's, new M1000's to replace the dying dead ones in them and ship them back to their owner Monday. Thanks for the input. It is greatly appreciated and saved me a ton of leg work especially because I was ready to break them down just like the P870xx's I did before.
     
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    Most likely you have to disassemble the whole laptop since the BIOS chip is under that metal place on the left of that chip. Usually BIOS chips are from Winbond something..

    Page 75 of the Service Manual:
    https://prnt.sc/wdyk1v

    The BIOS chip is under the metal plate! So a full disassembly of the laptop is required to access the said chip!

    On my P775DM3-G for example i did use a dremel to cut the metal as you can see for easy access to the chip to avoid a full disassembly and only need to remove the keyboard to access it:

    https://imgur.com/YgxqGw4

    As you can see, its not the chip under the keyboard connection cable but the one under the metal plate!

    Can be wrong with the P750DM but i highly doubt it
     
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    this not a clean cut :bigwink:
     
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    Nope but it was due to the limit time I had my friend do it for me due do the limitations of the virus and social distancing. Need to perfect it but I isolated it with kapton tape, so I'm not worried at all about it
     
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    Hi i'm using P870TM1-G model with Intel i9-9900K after flash EC bios got problem. After flash can boot up.then shut down after that try to restart back the laptop can't turn on back. Must redo programmer back then can turn back on but only once then can't turn on back.
     
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    Just curious if the seller you are dealing with is Mr Su,
    As mentioned in this video?
    https://linustechtips.com/topic/1234746-the-ruthless-economy-pc/

    Is it worth reaching out to Mr Su and seeing if he intends to modify our bios to add support for the QQLS?

    It's obviously going to take more than simply injecting a specific microcode?

    Or can it really be that simple?

    Because as per this video, we know at the very least, Mr Su injects microcode 906EC.


    @dsanke would you suspect that this is possible, the only change required is microcode ?

    Though if 906EC is required, I suspect that's already in the dsanke modded bios files...
     
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    The seller from aliexpress wrote to me that such a processor was installed on the clevo P775 laptop. Naturally, before that we changed the processor's code in the BIOS, and I don’t know what they did. I already bought a processor. waiting for the package to arrive. I already changed the BIOS with the kofelake program, added the necessary microcode processors. I only know one thing, for laptops of my model, clevo P870 dmg1, I will have to disassemble the laptop, so that with the BIOS protection programmer, as I have already done. my BIOS was installed on a laptop from Dsanke. By the way, the kofelake program was also made, with the help of this gentleman. To me, this program received this BIOS from Dsanke, and I saw everything in the program, and added the necessary microcode processors, and support for the laptop socket 1441. so kind of. As soon as I receive the package, I will be busy flashing the BIOS, and try to install this 9900 laptop processor. I added the necessary microcodes, yes 906, and the old processors,. pressed the button, replace. pressed the button, patch for socket 1441, or whatever laptop socket was there., forgot. I used the BIOS that I have on my laptop now, from Dsanke. 8 megabytes in size. I bought and installed memory sticks. 8 GB each, 3200 mhz. The processor is 6700 for me now. This memory immediately worked at 3200 mhz. without any additional settings. if you put two memory sticks only on the top, under the keyboard, the laptop will not turn on. if you put one bar from the top, it turns on, works at 3200. if I put 4 bars, two on top, two on the bottom, it works very quickly, automatically at 3200 mhz. if I put two slats on the bottom of the laptop, it only works at 2666 mhz. I left one bar at the bottom, one bar at the top, and it works well at 3200 mhz. but there it is necessary to select a place where to put. if not put correctly, it will work at 2666 mhz. memory sticks called Crucial, ct8g4sfra32a ddr4 3200 8gb
     
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    Where did you get the kofelake app?
     
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    I found it from a link on the YouTube site, where one person shows how to work with this program. but I don’t remember specifically from which link I downloaded. I know that from some of the links it was infected with a virus.
     
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    I believe it's available in win-raid forums. I'll let you know if I can confirm it but I believe so
     
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    There was a more recent version that allowed it to inject ME and a few other things. I'll let you know if I can find it.. Been searching for it but can't find anything. If I do, I'll post here
     
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    Sounds like good progress, @Eddy99 are you able to share your p870dm bios once you get up and running?
     
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    Just had a look at the tools posted, these look to be different as they specifically mention the 1440 CPUs in the readme file. Awesome !
     
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    with this program, which I left a link, and in this video it is clear that the ME region can be corrected, replaced. I have not seen a newer program. Thanks for the link, I downloaded, looked. there is no such simple possibility to add quickly change microcode processors. I mean, prepare a laptop bios to work with engineering laptop processors on socket 1440.
     
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    The best way to know how to do it is ask in WIn raid forums. I know coffeetime has a fix for that socket but dunno how to add microcode myself
     
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    I have added these new microcodes using this program only. I just have to wait for the purchased processor, and I'll check the 870 dmg on a laptop. and I changed the dm version, reduced it, according to the description from the video lesson. dm version should be downgraded, preferably. I did it all. I have prepared two different bios for the laptop.
     
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    The friend received a QQLS processor, and modified the BIOS with coffee time, but this processor did not work on the 870 dmg1 laptop. the laptop does not turn on. so that's how. . i am still waiting for my processor.
     
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    You should make a separate tread about this as many people are interested ;)
     
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    Yes, a friend installed the QQLS processor on a laptop, the laptop does not turn on to him. but he is in kofetim, while processing the BIOS, he did not lower the TE revision. left 11.701 ... version. I don’t know, because of this, or because of the fact that the motherboard supports all these new processors only from the 370 chipset, and with the chipset from 170 and 270 only 4 nuclear mutant processors. why am I talking about its? according to the description for Clevo and MSi, the same pin of the mode must be done on processors, the contacts must be isolated. This means that MSi and Clevo have the same structures on motherboards. Therefore, I doubt that Clevo notebooks with the Z 170 and Z 270 chipsets, as well as MSI boards, will not support mutant processors with 6 and 8 cores
     

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    When you test the BIOS changed with coffeetime let me know please. Wanna test a BIOS I changed but I dunno if it will work and I don't have a SPI programmer to switch back lol
     
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    Asked a seller on aliexpress about this: 9TH COFFEE LAKE REFRESH QQLS 0000 2.1G 8C16T MODIFIED LAPTOP CPU TO LGA 1151 US $192.00

    ME:
    hi. would like to buy this. I have a Clevo P87DM-G. Mb is Z170 express. Is it possible. to have modified bios? Should I send you stock bios?

    SELLER:

    你好,我的朋友
    Hello, my friend
    Alibaba Translation

    你的主板无法使用我们的处理器
    Your motherboard cannot use our processor


    Bummer:oops:
     
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    I also suspect this. I believe that only 4 core, mutant processors will work on boards Clevo with a chipset z170. On Tm version laptops with z370 chipset, I think the chances are greater.
     
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    You should actually buy one. Tbh I did not buy a Skypro (too expensive), but I have this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32955416676.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.afa94c4dMvkff1
    SPI works flawlessly, the 1.8v for vbios eeprom also works as expected, also the wire clips are decent as well.
    I know it is not professional but it can save you a lot of time and trouble when in need.
     
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    Guys, can someone confirm, that dsanke RTX bios for p870tm1 is disabling FN+D (clear CMOS) shortcut? I have it working fine with 1.0.7.16
     
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