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    Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. HashiramaS

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    I use the same software as before. Earlier there was a backlight. No, I did not flash EC, only dsanke BIOS.
     
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  2. DaMafiaGamer

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    Ok let me clear somethings up:

    You DO NOT NEED TO flash the EC at all, the bios update takes care of that, even with the PXXX_RTX.rom bioses

    If your G-sync option in the nvidia graphics panel disappears after flashing the coffee lake bios please flash the RTX bios it should reappear. Thank you @dsanke for helping me and others on this.

    The fan tables and voltage control for the 9900k is fine now, check my benchmark ;) The 9900k has a -150mv underclock and with the 3 heatpipes it can be cooled, UNBELIEVABLE!

    [​IMG]
     
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    P870DM-G w/ 980 Desktop using both GPU fans.

    I realize after upgrading to Dsanke, my second GPU fan is not spinning up. GPU is now hitting 88 vs 74 before under stress test (Supeposition)

    Primary fan works as intended and hits 100% to try and keep the GPU cool

    I tested an extra secondary fan and the same thing just to rule out a bad fan

    I tested a second 980 I have and same thing.

    Suggestions? The original 6700k is gone, so I can't flash back.
     
  4. Hterag

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    @DaMafiaGamer I've read through the first page and gone backwards through about half of the thread so far and I think I'm missing it. Which BIOS do I need with the P870TM1-G to run the RTX cards? In the Google Drive file I'm seeing two:

    P870TM_B0511_67th.rom
    P870TM_B0715.rom

    Is it either of those?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  5. albert.zweistein

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    Hello, I'm considering eventuality to upgrade my P870KM1-G with the 9900K CPU from the 7700K. Originally I was thinking of upgrading other components to get the P870TM specs
    and found the Eurocom KM1->TM1 upgrade kit on ebay for 1.295 USD w/o CPU (which is quite expensive).

    But later I found the possibility to use 8xxx and 9xxx CPUs on the older boards using the special bios and blocking 2 socket pins, which costs basically just the target CPU and seems to be preferred and successfully done by many people in the P870*** community.

    I went through the whole this thread and some others, however I didn't find anyone comparing all the P870*** (DM, DM3, KM, TM) models CPU&GPU heatsinks to identify the best P870*** OEM cooling for the combination 9900K and dual GTX 1080s SLI.

    I will not intend to run the 9900K more than 4,5 GHz, with undervolting -0,100 to -0,150 Volt I'd expect max watts consumption around 125 W according to benchmarks posted by some fellows already. I believe the 9900K are the last LGA 1151 backwards compatible CPUs which could be sort of cooled enough with the best P870 OEM cooling without heavy modding. If the 10th gen 14 Nm top model 10-cores will be still LGA 1151 - they may need about 160 W at 4,5 GHz. 10 Nm or even 7 Nm CPUs would help cooling drastically, but I don't believe they come to LGA 1151 socket or will be compatible with the 6th to 8th gen CPU designed laptops that we currently have.

    I will not sacrifice my GTX1080 SLI in favor of a single RTX2080, in my opinion after seeing the benchmark comparisons, its not worth it. Perhaps in one or two more Nvidia generations the single card would beat the then ancient 1080 SLI, but again these cards may not be necessarily compatible with the discontinued P870 platform for whatever reason.

    So, please help me with some thoughts about it:
    If going for the P870KM1-G 1080 SLI upgrade to 9900K may I keep the original heatsinks? Or should I get some better heatsink/vapor chamber from another SLI (TM?) model in order to improve the CPU cooling, would it be worth it anyway?

    While doing the CPU replacement, it would be a good idea to replace the SLI GPUs thermal pads - should I try to get the brand new OEM thermal pads compatible with the selected heatsinks or buy some better thermal conductivity pads with a desired thickness?

    Thank you
     
  6. joluke

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    Are you sure you have a P870TM1-G? Can you take a photo of the sticker in the bottom of the laptop and post it here? The P870TM1-G supports coffee lake and rtx with the stock BIOS. What specs does you laptop have?
     
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    Hi. Is very easy to do it. You can stay with your old cooling system. Everything works without any problems. Just first check your vbios uefi version. Everything you find into this topic.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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    I'm sure it's the P870TM1-G but are you sure it supports the RTX 2080 with the stock BIOS? I know it supports Coffeelake already (using 8086K right now) but I thought it didn't support the RTX series.

    I have a spare heat sink that I modded to support the RTX 2080 but haven't been able to test one yet.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it does. Someone else can confirm it. Single gpu though not SLI
     
  10. kfxsti

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    SoooOooo... My inquiring mind wants know why making the Switch from Sli 1080's with Gsync on my P870tm1-g to a RTX 2080 killed my Gsync?? And how the hell can I get it back ? Lol WITHOUT switching back to my 1080s lol
     
  11. clevo-extreme

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    We don't try this. To complicated with mod heatsink and etc... Doesn't worth this is my opinion. I can't help you with topic with upgrade gtx 1080 to rtx 2080 into p870 models. Another like p751 or p775 we have almoust everything on stock like heatsinks and gpus.

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  12. Hterag

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    Oh yeah, I know SLi isn't an option any more but I haven't seen much benefit from it, I took the second card out of another machine just to try it and it rarely works in modern games and isn't needed in old games... I do want a better card for mobile VR, though (which is why I want the 2080).
     
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    So the P775DM3-G for example would handle the rtx 2080? With the stock cooler or would need a modded heatsink?
     
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    kfxsti Notebook Evangelist

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    Isn't worth it ? Lol my RTX is leaps and bounds faster and cooler than my 1080s ever wanted to be.
    I just hate knowing I paid for a feature I lost due to an upgrade.
     
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    kfxsti Notebook Evangelist

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    I couldn't tell you the last time I had both 1080s in my laptop prior to the switch to the 2080. Sli is wonky .. wonky thing.. lol I just want my Gsync back.
     
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    Yes is compatible with the mod bios and need original heatsink from P775TM1-G for rtx 2080.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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    My P377SM-A with dual 880M's was the last SLI setup for me. It's simply not worth it
     
  18. clevo-extreme

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    Of course not. Gpus are just simple to expensive. But when money doesn't matter.. Why not.

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    Which laptop model? How many gpus?

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    Oh. And the screws fit the motherboard of the P775DM3-G? Getting the heatsink is the easy part. Knowing the rest is difficult lol
     
  21. clevo-extreme

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    Everything fitted with the Mainboard. Screws we have included.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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    UPDATE:

    The BIOS files have been updated and 2 readme documents have been added, one with an excel spreadsheet specifying what is compatible etc and the other has questions and answers.

    Excel Spreadsheet for all those who want to see: (thank you @dsanke for providing this, I have translated both documents so you guys have no problems :D)

    [​IMG]
     
  23. kfxsti

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    P870tm1-g - Had two Gtx 1080's With Gsync and 8700k. Now it has 9900k and Rtx 2080 and no Gsync .
     
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    Shouldn’t have bought an rtx 2080 bro, stick with the sli setup. 1080 at 4K with g-sync is a life saver literally, especially when you have golden sample gpu’s like me :D
     
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    @DaMafiaGamer i laughed so much reading the readme:

    :confused: :confused:
     
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    Believe me I did too when I translated it :D :D
     
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    Hi, sorry, I asked earlier in the thread but is there a BIOS to support RTX cards on the P870TM1-G? I'm just seeing:

    P870TM_B0511.rom
    P870TM_B0511_67th.rom
    P870TM_B0715.rom

    From what I gather, the 67th one is just for support of 6th/7th gen CPUs. The others are clearly labelled _RTX but I don't see one for the P870TM. Is there not one yet?

    Thanks.
     
  28. Meaker@Sager

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    Because g-sync requires the gpu/motherboard/display combo to be individually verified.

    Your combo has not been.

     
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    Flash the P870TM_B0715.rom
     
  30. kfxsti

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    They are all technically capable and deemed qualified by Nvidia, it's Clevo who didn't front license funds for it to be attached to the gpu . I've requested a lisc from Nvidia lol. We will see how this works out.
     
  31. Meaker@Sager

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    Nvidia test the entire combo at their lab.
     
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    Yeah that’s right check Linus video @kfxsti and you’ll understand the lengthy process they go through just to make a panel g sync verified. It’s not as easy as just swapping some firmware all the components MUST support g sync. Which is why I’m sticking to my 1080 sli because I know g sync will disappear with an rtx 2080 :D
     
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    They say they dont want anything with their tech name on it to not function correctly.
     
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    I can understand that, historically nvidias gpus fair quite a lot better in terms of failure rates compared to amd gpus. I’m still rooting for amd though, nvidia prices are just crazy :D
     
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    I understand it all, I really do. But when you go from having GSYNC on 1080s as the screen was purchased as being Gsync capable - only to loose it due to swapping to a Gsync capable higher end GPU. Without even an option to use the screen as a "freesync" monitor since Nvidia allows other monitors even if NOT tested in their labs as of recent . Kinda pisses me off lol.
    All components support Gysnc. Including the 2080 , stated in the white notes. The mobo/and screen does as well as it clearly worked with 1080s lol.
    I'm running Gsync on a Samsung Freesync panel on my desktop lol - one thats not "verified" to work. And it works, great to be exact.
    It boiled down to Clevo not buying in as they wanted EOL for the P870tm1.
     
  36. kfxsti

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    You must have forgotten the 500 series of Nvidia cards. Especially the BYHD 590 edition. Lol
     
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    The FAQ was hilarious in so many spots. :p

    I'll flash the newest / reflash to see if it resolves my second GPU fan not spinning up. It could be an EC issue unresolved from the failed first USB flash before manually flashing with an SPI_P.
     
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    Is there anyone running a P870DM-G w/ desktop 980 and Dsanke BIOS installed both fans working as intended? I know @Papusan has a P870DM-G w/ a 980 and a 8700k/9900k running as intended, but that is with @Prema BIOS.

    The update was a no go.

    Everything flashed fine as expected.

    The second GPU fan definitely works fine, as when I set meset, both GPU fans went to 100% for the flash process.

    Once updated, the second GPU fan again will not spin up and again under Superposition benchmark, temps went to 88+ as the second fan failed to move.

    Another thing: before the update, the desktop 980 mobile version was fully detected in BIOS, but with Dsanke it comes up unknown. I'm not sure if this could be part of the problem (I don't have a set of spare 970m/980m's on hand to test a single and dual config).

    Stock BIOS screen (taken last August):

    [​IMG]

    Dsanke BIOS screen (taken a few minutes ago):

    [​IMG]
     
  39. Tulius

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    Can I flash my P870DM-3 with the RTX flashrom for future proof upgrades without changing my actual setup? I mean no side effects in the process.

    Currently my notebook is equipped with a 8700K processor and GTX 1080. Planning to upgrade in one year for a 9700K and RTX 2080 if possible for my budget.

    One more question, is it necessary to mod the gpu vapor chamber heatsink to accommodate the RTX card? If so is there any link to a tutorial in place?

    Thanks.
     
  40. snowy88

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    Hi Guys! I have a little trouble with my P870KM and new RTX BIOS mod, i'm undervolt my i5 8400 from BIOS (I do not use XTU and other similar software), and new RTX BIOS didnt apply Offset for Ring domain.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Could anyone either check this point on his 870KM (or mb other models), it just might be worth reporting this to dsanke.
    With previous version of BIOS, everything worked fine.
    ...
    One more thing, for some reason, the new RTX BIOS does not recognize the installed version of the EC (P870KM EC 1.05.02)
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    ...
    And discovered one more problem, now the headphone out works only as an optical out
     
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  41. jaybee83

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    LOL

    Calling @Mr. Fox, im sure he'll laugh hard at this comment from the green goblin xD the irony! haha

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    LOL indeed. They have other things with their name on it that do not function correctly. Why treat G-Stink differently?

    Seems like they would at least have the common decency to extend the same courtesy they have (only recently) to desktop owners. But, as usual, laptop jockeys get screwed and treated differently. I mean, c'mon Green Goblin... you're going to let people with FreeStink displays (some of them kind of crummy, in fact,) run G-Stink now, but you're not going to be respectable enough to allow the laptop owners with totally legit G-Stink GPUs and NVIDIA-validated G-Stink LCD panels run G-Stink just because it didn't ship from the factory that way? Well, that ain't right. Being crooks and shysters... that's what they are best at.
     
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    @Mr. Fox If I can find a G-Stink logo that matches the Gsync. I will have Stickers made lol
     
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    Did you Flash ec version with ec flash from p870tm v1.07.10?

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    When they fail a device it is because it does have some weird artifacts or blanking at parts.

    If yours had that you would be demanding a fix when it's down to the panel hardware.
     
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    There is no such EC in the archive with BIOS, a quick search on the topic also did not give anything, can you share this version of the EC?
    ...
    Found only EC version 1.07.08 from 870TM, at the beginning of this topic, is there any point in trying to flash this version?
     
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    But, that is not what I am talking about. Laptops that are sold with G-Stink are not a failed device with weird artifacts and blanking problems. I am talking about how they relaxed everything on desktops and allow systems to use G-Stink that were not allowed before, yet they haven't done jack for laptop owners that have panels and mobile GPUs they had already validated and approved back when they were charging licensing fees and other nonsense for. Yet, the moment the laptop user changes something with firmware or hardware that would otherwise be whitelisted, then G-Stink is suddenly broken. They should extend similar courtesy to laptop owners as what they are doing for desktop owners and let the panels they already validated as being good enough work in tandem with mobile GPUs having G-Stink whether they came from the factory that way or not.
     
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    You shouldn't flash TM-s EC to KM-s machine. You dont have to touch EC at all to update and use moded BIOS.

    From my own experience - just use KM's EC.
     
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    Don't cross flash EC's or you will hardbrick your laptop. Stick to KM EC's. The latest KM EC is 1.05.02 from Clevo
     
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    Well, thanks for the information, I understand you, there is no need to flash the EC from 870TM, maybe there are other ideas on how to fix the bugs described in this post (undervolt and the headphone output)? - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ds-now-supported.825558/page-59#post-10924172
    Just ordered rtx2060, and I would like the GPU and the moments described in the post to work normally together.
     
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